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yorkj86 wrote...

I wonder how Jack would respond to a Sole Survivor Shepard telling her that he, too, has some unfinished business to settle with Cerberus.

Would she respond in a hostile manner, claiming that what he went through was nothing compared to what they did to her at Teltin?  How would she respond to Shepard telling her that his squad was slaughtered by a Thresher Maw in what amounted to Cerberus using soldiers as guinea pigs?

Would she respond positively, finding a friend in someone who hates Cerberus just as much as she does?  If so, what would she think of Shepard trying to explain why he works for Cerberus now?    Would she be receptive to his explanation?

Would she be indifferent?

I think, pre-loyalty, pre-romance, she would say someting along these lines:
"What the f*ck are you trying to prove, anyway?  I already know Cerberus are bastards.  So they f*cked with your life too.  All that changes is that instead of thinking you're one of them, I just know you're chickensh*t enough to not stand up to the f*ckers.  But, hell, maybe you'll grow a pair and then we'll tear them a new one.  Talk to me again when you want some f*cking payback."

Post-suicide mission, after breaking it off with Cerberus:
"Well, alright then.  Let's make it a point to f*ck their sh*t up if we ever see them again."

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

I wonder how Jack would respond to a Sole Survivor Shepard telling her that he, too, has some unfinished business to settle with Cerberus.

Would she respond in a hostile manner, claiming that what he went through was nothing compared to what they did to her at Teltin?  How would she respond to Shepard telling her that his squad was slaughtered by a Thresher Maw in what amounted to Cerberus using soldiers as guinea pigs?

Would she respond positively, finding a friend in someone who hates Cerberus just as much as she does?  If so, what would she think of Shepard trying to explain why he works for Cerberus now?    Would she be receptive to his explanation?

Would she be indifferent?

If Shepard told her to spare Aresh, then I think he would come off as quite the hypocrit if he wanted to get some revenge for what Cerberus did to him and his team with the thresher maw. But I'm not sure if Jack would be upset with that or if she would support him. If he doesn't practice what he preaches, then what good is his word? If he were to get revenge, it may undo the progress that Jack made when Shepard convinced her to spare Aresh.

[Epantiras]

Wow, I don't check the thread for 2 days and when I come back there are 6 new pages and tons of cool screenshots ;-)
Speaking of screenshots...

Modifié par Epantiras, 30 juin 2010 - 09:26 .

[StefanBW]

^ lol nice

[Mondo47]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

It's a little exciting to think about what they may do with these characters in ME3. This game only has so much replay value. It will be somewhat bittersweet whenever they finally release ME3. We will have this long build up to it, then the excitement will only last for a little while, and it will be over.

But think of the anticipation as we play! Will they live? Will they die? Will we end up with a tragic but heroic end for our crew (BioWare, I am watching you very closely here because these kind of endings are becoming utter cliche from your stable - I will not forget how you screwed me with Dragon Age: Origins... do it to me at your own peril) or will we get a triumphant last ride into the sunset?

And if they do live... it'll never be over. That's the great thing about stories - they last forever

(and we could even end up in that really weird fanbase place where we talk about Jack and Shep's kids endlessly... what kind of wedding they'd have... whether he'd build her a house on the homeword, erm, I mean...)

[MHRazer]

Epantiras wrote...

Wow, I don't check the thread for 2 days and when I come back there are 6 new pages and tons of cool screenshots ;-)
Speaking of screenshots...

Shepard in that last frame makes the whole strip work, that's hilarious.

[Mondo47]

Hmm... tricky. I'm not sure if it can come off as creepy all the time. Sure, sometimes it does slide into creepy-obsession territory, but I think it depends on the character in question and whether them ever having a future beyond the story's canon is to be considered unpleasant. I know I've wondered about the potential offspring of various literary couples before now; wondered, never really thought about how fantastic it would be to see it. Sure, it'd be wish fulfilment in some cases, but can it be considered creepy if it's just an interest in seeing what happens to those characters once their initial story ends... "... and they all lived happily ever after" sometimes is not enough, particularly when the characters are more interesting than storybook cutouts.

Looking at Jack, I think it'd be a little silly if we got all hearts and flowers about it and start designing wedding dresses (that's where it gets into creeeeeeppy self-insertion fantasyland), but for us to wonder about Jack being happy one day... I think that's us just wanting to cut the girl a break (perhaps knowing full well in these kind of stories there's no time for it until the final curtain). Sure, it can be creepy and obsessive, but I think with a character like Jack... it's a kind of fantasy-altruism on our parts. The character would probably consider us a bunch of p*ssies for wanting to mother her so, but hey, it's a bit less creepy than wanting to bone her.

(those of you that do harbour those kinda fantasies, keep quiet, or I'm gonna look stoopid )

Modifié par Mondo47, 30 juin 2010 - 02:56 .

[Jackal904]

Mondo47 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

It's a little exciting to think about what they may do with these characters in ME3. This game only has so much replay value. It will be somewhat bittersweet whenever they finally release ME3. We will have this long build up to it, then the excitement will only last for a little while, and it will be over.

But think of the anticipation as we play! Will they live? Will they die? Will we end up with a tragic but heroic end for our crew (BioWare, I am watching you very closely here because these kind of endings are becoming utter cliche from your stable - I will not forget how you screwed me with Dragon Age: Origins... do it to me at your own peril) or will we get a triumphant last ride into the sunset?

I think there will be more opportunities for squadmates to die in ME3. And I'll think they'll be more complex than, "Who should hold the biotic bubble? Some Cerberus mercenary or the most powerful f*cking human biotic in the galaxy?" And my goal for my first playthrough of ME3 will be to make sure Jack and Shepard survive, or at least Jack. I'm fully expecting scenarios similar to the ending of DA:O. But I think (hope) that there will be more options that result in everyone surviving, other than giving birth to the anti-christ being the only way.

But for ME3 I am very much looking forward to the excitement of not knowing what's going to happen, and wondering if someone might die, and figuring out what I can do to make sure my crew survives. I felt that way while playing through ME2 for the first time. But aftering realizing just how simple it is to make sure everyone survives, it takes away a bit of the epicness of the whole concept.

In ME3 I hope there's much tougher decisions to make, and I hope it's much more difficult to get the best ending. But that best ending better be a good and happy ending. One where Shepard and Jack can live happily every after . Of course I wouldn't mind a small scene at the end that hints to the players, "It ane't over", just incase BioWare decides to make a ME4.

@Mondo

What happened at the end of your DA:O playthrough that made you upset? Was it your character sacrificing themself? What bummed me out a lot was the epilogue, and learning how my team split up and the dark spawn were still killing a ton of people and how my race was still being treated like ****. Basically the blight was stopped but other than that it wasn't a very happy ending, it was quite depressing. I'm not sure if I didn't make the correct decisions or if a depressing ending always happens. If it's the latter then that's pretty lame.

Edit: Oh and that comic cracked me up Epantiras . That last picture of Shepard is hilarious.

Modifié par Jackal904, 30 juin 2010 - 04:53 .

[royceclemens]

Jackal904 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

It's a little exciting to think about what they may do with these characters in ME3. This game only has so much replay value. It will be somewhat bittersweet whenever they finally release ME3. We will have this long build up to it, then the excitement will only last for a little while, and it will be over.

But think of the anticipation as we play! Will they live? Will they die? Will we end up with a tragic but heroic end for our crew (BioWare, I am watching you very closely here because these kind of endings are becoming utter cliche from your stable - I will not forget how you screwed me with Dragon Age: Origins... do it to me at your own peril) or will we get a triumphant last ride into the sunset?

I think there will be more opportunities for squadmates to die in ME3. And I'll think they'll be more complex than, "Who should hold the biotic bubble? Some Cerberus mercenary or the most powerful f*cking human biotic in the galaxy?" And my goal for my first playthrough of ME3 will be to make sure Jack and Shepard survive, or at least Jack. I'm fully expecting scenarios similar to the ending of DA:O. But I think (hope) that there will be more options that result in everyone surviving, other than giving birth to the anti-christ being the only way.

But for ME3 I am very much looking forward to the excitement of not knowing what's going to happen, and wondering if someone might die, and figuring out what I can do to make sure my crew survives. I felt that way while playing through ME2 for the first time. But aftering realizing just how simple it is to make sure everyone survives, it takes away a bit of the epicness of the whole concept.

In ME3 I hope there's much tougher decisions to make, and I hope it's much more difficult to get the best ending. But that best ending better be a good and happy ending. One where Shepard and Jack can live happily every after .

I think one of the effects that threads like these are going to have is that when we finally get ME3 next year, even before we take off the shrink wrap we'll hold the actual physical game in our hands and stare at it, if only for an instant, in sheer mortal terror.  We've essentially developed a player avatar with our own little backstories and we've humanized all the supporting players.  In the installment where all bets are off, it's gonna sink in how much their fates are in our hands.  This isn't some TV show where we're at the whims of some invisible creator who can bump off characters at their leisure and we have no say in the matter.  If they croak, it's our fault.

And yeah, you could reload and try again, but that just makes it worse.  It's failure mixed with denial, as there's one alternate universe where we sucked too much to keep a person alive.

So the questions I have, if you'd all be so kind as to indulge me, is Would you use your Main Shep for your first playthrough?  And if you did and Jack died, would you reload and try agan?

[Mondo47]

I've ranted about DA:O so many times now it's got old. I'll make this the final capsule version

In essence, I felt the game screwed me for a) believing in honour, being unselfish (and being able to spot a monstrously bad idea from a few thousand miles away and c) for having a vagina. Because I couldn't knock Morrigan up with a magic penis, Alistair (however much of an irritating git he was) needed to become king, and Loghain needed to die without getting any of his honour back - better I die than he's remembered as a hero - f*cking conniving cowardly sh*t that he was, I got railroaded into a unhappy ending. My dog died and I broke Leliana's heart. Thanks a f*cking bunch, BioWare - chances of my buying any DLCs = 0.4%

[Mondo47]

royceclemens wrote...

So the questions I have, if you'd all be so kind as to indulge me, is Would you use your Main Shep for your first playthrough?  And if you did and Jack died, would you reload and try agan?

Yes, I always will use my Main-Shep, Adrienne, first. If Jack dies with her, sure, it'll put a downer on proceedings (though if Wrex dies I'll be much more upset... even though it's practially written on him already), but I'll carry on. No reloads... not the way I play

[Jackal904]

No. On my first playthroughs of ME1, ME2, and DA:O. I did not reload to an old save if something turned out bad. Sure I would reload a 5 minute old save if I wanted to do a small conversation differently. But if something didn't turn out the way I had hoped, I just went with it. I think it ruins the experience to reload a really old save because something didn't turn out the way you had hoped.

Yeah it would really suck if Jack died because I did something wrong. But I would just make sure to correct that in my next playthrough.

This got me thinking, even though I really don't want Jack to die in ME3, if she did it would probably make for a more memorable ending. In DA:O I was really bummed that Allistair died. He was my favorite character by far and since I romanced him with my female elf rogue, he wouldn't let me kill the archdemon. And while I was bummed that he died, it made for very memorable ending and I still think it was a great ending even though my favorite character died.

Modifié par Jackal904, 30 juin 2010 - 05:34 .

[Pacifien]

I had a difficult time starting with ME2 as I'd played ME1 so much, I knew every conversation, every mission, every outcome. Suddenly I was playing an ME game where all the conversations were new again. Conversation. Reload. Conversation again. Reload. Conversation again. Reload. Other squad combination. Reload. I believe my first mission was Garrus's recruitment, and I don't know how much longer I would have gone with that kind of playthrough until a friend told me to stop it, I could figure out all the things I was missing on another playthrough. Then it went fairly smoothly after that.

Got lucky with it, I suppose. No loyalties lost. No squadmates lost on final mission. Even Mordin lived. Huzzah!