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[Bhatair]

I don't like to reload after a bad decision in games like this. I like the idea of having things go wrong, makes a story feel more real. That isn't to say though, that once I have a few 'imperfect' games clocked in I don't start fiddling with things to get a perfect one, because I do

I actually started the game with the intention of romancing Miranda, but I sided with Jack during their argument and just decided to pursue that romance instead, I'm glad I did because I liked it the best out of all of them.

[Pacifien]

The only time during ME2 where I had to pause and think "What just happened?" was when I did the renegade persuade on the Patriarch and he went running to his doom. I kinda thought I was going for a "be a badass and we'll fight these assassins together" argument. Not telling him to go fight them alone. I stuck with it, though, and I've pretty much kept to it for every other subsequent playthrough. Going the paragon route is not the krogan way. At least when I was Grunt's krantt, he fought alongside with me.

So anyway, I didn't reload and just stuck with it. That was the only time I was tempted to, though.

Modifié par Pacifien, 30 juin 2010 - 06:50 .

[Bhatair]

Yeah, I like taking that route too. Patriarch deserves to die with some honor, like a Krogan should.

[Mondo47]

Bhatair wrote...

Yeah, I like taking that route too. Patriarch deserves to die with some honor, like a Krogan should.

Yeah, I did that on one of my Sheps, but I just loved his voice too much to risk him - Krogan way or not. At least alive there'll be someone to keep Omega on an even keel when I go back and force-feed Aria a black hole

[Mondo47]

They're cute! Come on, they're big cuddly grumpy bastards that don't take sh*t from anyone! With Barry White voices (and who doesn't go weak at the knees for a voice like mountains crumbling into rubble?)! What's not to love? I'd probably get stomped flat in that universe because I'd be pinching their cheeks and giggling so much. They win a prize for being the cutest aliens I think I've ever seen... by God, do we need krogan plushies!

[royceclemens]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
So the questions I have, if you'd all be so kind as to indulge me, is Would you use your Main Shep for your first playthrough?  And if you did and Jack died, would you reload and try agan?

I have 2 main Shepards right now, if that makes any sense.  I have quite a few Shepards overall.  However, the one that I used to play ME2 the first time, will most likely be the one that I use to play ME3 for the first time.  Same goes for the second one playing the second time.

No, I will not reload.  I don't want to see Jack die, but I will stick with whatever happens.  I think that makes the game better when played that way.  I try not to meta game whatsover while playing those first couple of Shepards.  After that, it is hard not to meta game a little because you know what will happen in the game.

I have a main male Shepard and a main female Shepard.  I also have ten "mini-Sheps" that I'm importing, just to see what the hell happens.  It's just that the more attached I become to these characters the more I'm thinking that maybe for my first playthrough, I should use one of my mini-Sheps.  Because I myself never reload.  I didn't even reload when I accidentally lost Jack (which happened on my first ever romance playthrough with her, and spawned my neverending hatred for a certain Australian woman who can't maintain a barrier to save her fat ass).  The only time I've ever reloaded was when I dumped Jack in the cabin and that was just to see the scene and that didn't really count anyway.

Which brings me to my problem.  I dumped Jack for a completely academic purpose and it was so horrible that I immediately reloaded.  It ruined my week ('Cause we ALL saw that scene and even people who hate Jack with a passion had a hard time watching it).  So if I act like that when nothing is at stake, how am I gonna handle it on my first playthrough when EVERYTHING'S at stake?

Also, given that ME is so cinematic in the first place, and relies on player oriented algorithms to shape the story, I'd like to think of it more as "producing and directing" than "meta-gaming."  That's just me, though.

Modifié par royceclemens, 30 juin 2010 - 08:53 .

[Jackal904]

royceclemens wrote...

I didn't even reload when I accidentally lost Jack (which happened on my first ever romance playthrough with her, and spawned my neverending hatred for a certain Australian woman who can't maintain a barrier to save her fat ass).

You lost Jack to the seeker swarms when you romanced her for the first time? Now that is something that would cause me to reload. If there is one scene of Jack dieing that I never want to see, it's her being taken away by the seeker swarms. It's so drawn out and terrible to watch, and they do that long as scream. Plus who knows what the hell those seeker swarms do to them. At least in the other death scenes it's quick and they die next to you or on the Normandy.

And how come you had Miranda hold the biotic bubble? You implied that you played through the game before the playthrough where you romanced Jack, so didn't you know who to choose for the biotic bubble by then? Or I'm assuming you wanted to use someone different at that part for that playthrough, and Miranda does say she can do it, so you chose her.

Which brings me to my problem.  I dumped Jack for a completely academic purpose and it was so horrible that I immediately reloaded.  It ruined my week ('Cause we ALL saw that scene and even people who hate Jack with a passion had a hard time watching it).  So if I act like that when nothing is at stake, how am I gonna handle it on my first playthrough when EVERYTHING'S at stake?

That's what makes it so great. That feeling of risk, when there's so much at stake and when you know you're squadmates can die and even you can die. And where you actually care about your squadmates (unlike pretty much every other game in existence). No other game has made me feel that way. And that's a big part of what makes ME2 so great. Sure you'll feel paranoid throughout the game, but it's a good kind of paranoid .

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
Which brings me to my problem.  I dumped Jack for a completely academic purpose and it was so horrible that I immediately reloaded.  It ruined my week ('Cause we ALL saw that scene and even people who hate Jack with a passion had a hard time watching it).  So if I act like that when nothing is at stake, how am I gonna handle it on my first playthrough when EVERYTHING'S at stake?

You will be getting you're money's worth anyway.  That's how I look at it.  Take the bad with the good and vice versa.  I think it makes it more emotional and dramatic without that detatched feeling that I get when not immersed in the game. 

royceclemens wrote...
Also, given that ME is so cinematic in the first place, and relies on player oriented algorithms to shape the story, I'd like to think of it more as "producing and directing" than "meta-gaming."  That's just me, though.

Whenever you play, is Shepard ever an avatar of yourself? 

Most of the time I play Shepard as an avatar of myself, and other times I play as if I am watching a movie and directing it sort of.  This is the case more so whenever I play FemShep.

Don't lie... you know you secretly dress up as a girl!

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
('Cause we ALL saw that scene and even people who hate Jack with a passion had a hard time watching it). 

That scene is just pure Evil.  Whenever someone even mentions it I have to go watch the version where Shepard accepts it.   It's the only mind bleach that works.

The same for me when people mention that they went through with the Tali romance... I have to go watch these three videos as mind bleach.

Video 1
Video 2
Video 3

Modifié par NICKjnp, 30 juin 2010 - 10:10 .

[royceclemens]

@Jackal

My first Jack romance was my second playthrough, when I didn't know who could hold the barrier and who couldn't (this was before I came here and witnessed the majesty of the one known as "Ecael"). And being that her biotics were part of her backstory, I thought she could hold the barrier. Just shows to go ya. And Jack getting carried off is, in fact, as horrible as you think. My first playthrough? I had Samara hold the barrier, and I wanted to see if anyone else could do it.

And while I would, under no circumstances, discount the power and impact of that all-important first playthrough, with stakes this high, one wants to play conservatively. Works in poker and it works here. One of the huge complaints about ME2 is that you have to suck bad at games to lose anyone on your first playthrough, and that's true. And you know how well BW responds to feedback. Take that away and we have no guarantees. And I ain't going all in on a pair of eights, if you feel me.

Fact of the matter is this: For that visceral first playthrough, if it's rigged in a way that the LI has to die... Well, if I can, I'll make sure Jacob's funeral is really expensive and nice. Fireworks, if I can spring 'em.

@JohnnyDollar

No, I don't avatar myself as Shepard.  I'm far too boring a person to be a character in a video game.  My MainMaleShep is a lot like Special Agent Dale Cooper, only black and IN SPAAAAAACE!

Modifié par royceclemens, 30 juin 2010 - 10:13 .

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
Don't lie... you know you secretly dress up as a girl!

Hey, you're the one posting over in the Kaiden thread dude.

I know... but mostly because I get a mix of different viewpoints of the game (meaning it's nice to hear what the girls who play ME2 have to say).

On of these days I'm goint to photoshop my face onto Kaidan on Horizon with femshep just to see their reactions.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I just noticed today that whenever I click on posted url links in the forum here, they open in another window, instead of a new tab.

I am using firefox, has anyone else noticed this? I can always right click the link and select "open in new tab", but it hasn't acted this way before on this forum. It has always opened in a new tab on it's own before.

You mean it peoples signatures?  That has always happened for me... I use explorer.

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

The only time during ME2 where I had to pause and think "What just happened?" was when I did the renegade persuade on the Patriarch and he went running to his doom. I kinda thought I was going for a "be a badass and we'll fight these assassins together" argument. Not telling him to go fight them alone. I stuck with it, though, and I've pretty much kept to it for every other subsequent playthrough. Going the paragon route is not the krogan way. At least when I was Grunt's krantt, he fought alongside with me.

So anyway, I didn't reload and just stuck with it. That was the only time I was tempted to, though.

Real men don't re-load!  Unless they were rapidly tapping x to skip through the conversation and hit the wrong response.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

No NICK, any url links posted. Like you're video links that you just posted.

I has always done that for me.