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[Epantiras]

1) Football (soccer) fan?
Jack's not supposed to care.
2) Do you think Jack would use the vuvuzela if Miranda demonstrated a strong distaste for it?
Absolutely yes.
3) Do you think Jack uses her biotics for very minor things on a regular basis, like picking up the remote across the room if she's on the couch?
Only if Miranda demonstrated a strong distaste for it.
4) When the Hammerhead is bouncing ridiculously across every surface, do you imagine it's because Jack is at the wheel?
Nope, it's the ghost of the Mako haunting the Hammerhead.
5) What do you think a (killing-free) night out between Jack and Shepard would be like?
Using vuvuzela until Miranda spaces herself out of the airlock.
6) Do you think Jack would like a good night spilling drinks with others on the Citadel?
I think Jack would like a good night spilling BLOOD of others on the Citadel.
7) What sort of city on Earth today do you think would be Jack's kind of place?
The city of Angels :innocent:
8) Could you picture Jack having children?
No.
9) Do you think there's anything to Jack's neural degeneration?
If there is, Bioware's better to fix that problem. I can't have both her and Thane die because of some scripted disease.
10) Jack: burns bright, dies young?
Probably...

[zvbxrpl]

Pacifien wrote...

I've been on a "tell me what you think of the character" kick this morning.

1) Football (soccer) fan?
2) Do you think Jack would use the vuvuzela if Miranda demonstrated a strong distaste for it?
3) Do you think Jack uses her biotics for very minor things on a regular basis, like picking up the remote across the room if she's on the couch?
4) When the Hammerhead is bouncing ridiculously across every surface, do you imagine it's because Jack is at the wheel?
5) What do you think a (killing-free) night out between Jack and Shepard would be like?
6) Do you think Jack would like a good night spilling drinks with others on the Citadel?
7) What sort of city on Earth today do you think would be Jack's kind of place?
8) Could you picture Jack having children?
9) Do you think there's anything to Jack's neural degeneration?
10) Jack: burns bright, dies young?

1) Nah.  She'd want to get out and play a sport, probably something full-contact.  If she was just sitting and watching, I doubt she'd find it very fun.
2) Strong dislike or no, annoying noises are small-time.  Jack would torment Miranda some better way.
3) I don't know.  She might resent her biotic ability, on some level, and not use it except in a fight.  I mean, it's not like it was gotten in any sort of willing way.
4) Only if Miranda's a passenger and looks like the jostling is making her carsick (Tanksick?).
5) Probably a hardcore punk concert, where she drags Shep into a mosh pit against his will.  Then she makes up for it by paying for his drinks at a bar.  Then, to quote Art Brut, "We went through the front door, up the stairs, through the bedroom door, onto the bedroom floor."
6) She'd probably only want to spend time with the crew after she'd been loosened up after a few drinks.  But, yeah, she'd probably like it.
7) I might just be saying this because I love the place, but probably NYC.  She'd most likely agree with George Carlin's quip (I think it was in Braindroppings) about any American who's not a New Yorker: "All the rest of you are just varying degrees of soft."
8)  Having children is really something you ought to do after you've sorted a lot of your own issues out.  She'd probably be really cautious of not having children before she could be sure she could be involved and do right by them, especially given her own childhood.
9) Probably.  I don't want it to be the case, but when Cerberus did their experiments, they probably didn't care that much about mitigating the degeneration in a way that more ethical scientists would.
10) Ugh.  I like to think that if Shep tried to help her, she might avoid that path.  But she does seem the type, at least at the start of the game.  Still, the way I played it, she's got some stake in staying alive and safe.

[Pacifien]

Bhatair wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I once went against my rule of never eating anything larger than my head when I took on an 18 inch burrito. I bet Jack could do that easily.
And that is just a little detail of my life that you never needed to know.

I need to know where I can get me one of those.

Freebirds, man.

[Pacifien]

Asking about Jack and football made me wonder what a purely biotic sport would be like. Deadly.

[Bhatair]

"Welcome to the Jack thread, here's a button and a pamphlet. Vote for Jack!"

[Errationatus]

1) Football (soccer) fan?

Probably prefers the more violent sports, like UFC, if she has the patience for any of that nonsense.  There's a distinct possibility, however, she's p!ss-poor at hand-to-hand.  She could look for pointers.  There's a difference between half-dead 8 year-olds scrapping in an improvised ring all biotic'd up and full-on adult combat.

2) Do you think Jack would use the vuvuzela if Miranda demonstrated a strong distaste for it?

She'd just jam it up Miranda's a ss, then ask for a tune.  Probably something from Satchmo.   I can see Jack as a jazz fan.   There's nothing that says a tattooed sociopath can't love jazz.   Although here's a song that fits her damn-near perfectly - providing one reads the included lyrics that is.

3) Do you think Jack uses her biotics for very minor things on a regular basis, like picking up the remote across the room if she's on the couch?

Nein.  Most likely would depend on her mood.  Although remotes are probably a thing of the past.  Most stuff would probably have some kind of "voice-activated" feature for the truly indolent.

4) When the Hammerhead is bouncing ridiculously across every surface, do you imagine it's because Jack is at the wheel?

Nyet.  I growl at it because it's just a crappy vehicle with all the defensive ability of a bag of flaming dogsh!t, which it often resembles.

5) What do you think a (killing-free) night out between Jack and Shepard would be like?

Can't actually see them 'dating'.  I don't think Jack has the temperment.  If you're already accepting that you're in a "relationship", why waste time and money on the pointless paying-for-sex-on-the-installment-plan called "dating"?  She's already willing to put out.  Shep can save his cash for more important things, like armor upgrades.  If he has to, it could maybe be to some funky futuristic amusement park on a weekend, but nothing too fancy.

6) Do you think Jack would like a good night spilling drinks with others on the Citadel?

Nope.  If you spend your life as a sociopath, getting a "boyfriend" will not change your habits overnight, in a week, a month or a year.  If Jack's in a bar, she's there for a reason.  Either to demolish it or some a-hole or group of a-holes therein.  She's as hardcore as hardcore gets - she's not some lame-a ss boozer.  I think she's had more than enough of not being under her own complete control.

7) What sort of city on Earth today do you think would be Jack's kind of place?

To live in or play in?  I can't see Jack as a city girl, counter-intuitive as that seems.  Sociopaths aren't exactly people-persons.  You don't want millions of fvck'n morons all around you constantly.  Somewhere rural and quiet to live (and you can see people com'n for miles)  - adjacent to a city with all the amnenties, and she probably wouldn't care which city it was - although I don't think Jack is the type to "settle down" anywhere.  Kiddies and puppies and domestic bullsh!t for Jack?  Jack. *Snicker*  You gotta rich fantasy life there, dudes and dudettes, if you think she'll put up with any of those kinds of shackles. 

8) Could you picture Jack having children?

Naw.  Jack is most likely sterile.  I can see Teltin scientists thinking it unnecessary, and then nipping any reproductive ability in the bud.  They could've harvested Jack's genes whenever they liked.  Nor can I see Jack popping down to the local pharma to pick up 22nd Century BCP's on a regular basis.  Considering how often she's been raped, and how often she'll voluntarily flop her legs open without seeming fear of consequences, it seems the most logical conclusion that Jack don't get preggers because she simply can't.  That being said, no doubt the tech exists that, if at some future date, Jack wants to go the breeder route and slap out some brat, she and Shep - or whomever she finally settles on - can have their genes mixed in some gene-blender and surrogate a rugrat out in some artifical womb.

9) Do you think there's anything to Jack's neural degeneration?

Nah.  There's degeneration and then there's degeneration.  Regular booze drinking causes ND.  Smoking causes ND.  Getting high causes ND.    Watching Oprah and CNN causes it.  Biotics may speed it up slightly, but it's probably the equivilent to smoking two packs a day instead of one.

10) Jack: burns bright; dies young?

I doubt Jack would care. Her 'philosophy' is:  "Live til you die, fvck the rest.  It's not like anyone is going to miss me when I'm gone. Who gives a sh!t? You can't kill rock and roll.  I'm go'n off the rails on my craaaaazy train...." 

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 01 juillet 2010 - 09:34 .

[Errationatus]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

SNIP

I think these "support" threads are over rated by a lot of forums members here.  In terms of how much they will influence the devs to include the character in ME3, or influence them to give that character a more significant role.  Because of this, there is an "official 2.015 *insert character here* support" thread for nearly everything in the ME universe.  I find it a bit nauseating.

Well, you could just set its tone straight from the beginning with a banner that sez : 

"Welcome to the Jack Appreciation Thread.  Fvck you, and Thanks For Posting"

Makes it plain.  

[Errationatus]

yorkj86 wrote...

Jake's perception of Jack is fairly different from the perception some other people in this thread have of Jack. Not wrong, just different.

Indeed it is.   As is usually rather obvious, I had thought.

Which behooves me to ask the question:  This post of yours is to accomplish... what, exactly? 

Because, I have to say, I knew, of everyone in this thread, you would be the first to comment on it. 

Just call it ...a feeling. 

:innocent:

[NICKjnp]

@JD... yeah they probably already had the story for ME3 written and squadmates already planned by the time ME2 was released.

[Errationatus]

yorkj86 wrote...

Trying to stir up trouble, Jake?    No thanks.

Not at all, York..  You are the Semantic Guardian of this thread, and I just had a feeling you would find how I said a few things in that response to Pacifien a bit off-putting. 

But...

Y'see, people respond to me rather infrequently here, no matter what I say (I think there were a couple of folks early on who were convinced I was some kind of troll and just never let that go, no matter what I've posted since), so I figured that it didn't matter how the hell I said it,  since few apparently care if I say anything at all.

Except I knew your watchful eye would rove by and you would likely comment.   It's what you do.  It's the Yorkian Thang. 

*Shrug*

No trouble meant, none sought.  In all sincere honesty, this thread would be lesser without your presence within.  You're kinda like a Den Mother in a way, keeping us all honest, and I appreciate that.  Threads can degenerate with surprising alacrity.

I can't see that happening with you here. 

[Errationatus]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Well this statement is keeping it in the Jack spirit I suppose.  She does make a comment like that to Shepard in the early convos.  Banner?  Maybe, until a mod discovers it.  Thread title?  No.

Thread title - definitely not.  We could censor the banner.  Gawd ferbid we offend.  I mean, c'mon, Bioware's games don't use harsh language, do they?  Since so many 12-year-olds play the game - (I think it is rated G for everyone, right?), we can't have that sort of thing in the forums.

CENSOR!  Tis how we maintain upright and moral youth.  Also prevents sex, which leads to dancing.  Or something like that.

[Mondo47]

JakeMacDon wrote...

**snip**

That really made me laugh, Jake. Good on you Not even I'll give you prizes for saying sociopath instead of psychopath that many times though (and I think most everyone here knows my feelings on Jack, romance life expectancy and fertility, but who doesn't want their imaginary wished-for daughter to live long, be happy, and have another little monster just like her, eh girls)

Seriously though... I think we're putting too much of Jack we see into this. Here's a question for you all; when Jack is alone under the floor in Engineering... what do you see her doing? Who is the private Jack?

I see a woman that stares at the walls blankly and snaps out of it when someone comes by. Someone that hugs herself when she sleeps. Someone that has nightmares, flashbacks, and the sudden explosive sh*t that comes with them. It sounds cliche, but she'll cry sometimes and not know why, and there are worse times where she'll do it and know exactly why. She's someone that paces. Someone who fights with her alone-thoughts (and when she loses sh*t kicks off like it did with Miranda). Private Jack is on her own with the truth; I'm a woman with no identity beyond her commodity - nobody wants me except for what I can give, so f*ck 'em, I'll perform until I get a chance to ****** in their eyes...

F*ck, do I feel sorry for that woman, sitting there all alone under people that have no clue what's really going on between those ears.

[NICKjnp]

Mondo47 wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

**snip**

That really made me laugh, Jake. Good on you Not even I'll give you prizes for saying sociopath instead of psychopath that many times though (and I think most everyone here knows my feelings on Jack, romance life expectancy and fertility, but who doesn't want their imaginary wished-for daughter to live long, be happy, and have another little monster just like her, eh girls)

Seriously though... I think we're putting too much of Jack we see into this. Here's a question for you all; when Jack is alone under the floor in Engineering... what do you see her doing? Who is the private Jack?

I see a woman that stares at the walls blankly and snaps out of it when someone comes by. Someone that hugs herself when she sleeps. Someone that has nightmares, flashbacks, and the sudden explosive sh*t that comes with them. It sounds cliche, but she'll cry sometimes and not know why, and there are worse times where she'll do it and know exactly why. She's someone that paces. Someone who fights with her alone-thoughts (and when she loses sh*t kicks off like it did with Miranda). Private Jack is on her own with the truth; I'm a woman with no identity beyond her commodity - nobody wants me except for what I can give, so f*ck 'em, I'll perform until I get a chance to ****** in their eyes...

F*ck, do I feel sorry for that woman, sitting there all alone under people that have no clue what's really going on between those ears.

Until she is romanced.... Do you wonder how she is after the suicide mission and Shepard paragon romanced her?

[Mondo47]

NICKjnp wrote...

Until she is romanced.... Do you wonder how she is after the suicide mission and Shepard paragon romanced her?

As Shep says, a few talks won't suture that mess up. Not a few talks, a few hugs, a few giggles together... it takes a long time, perhaps more time than they'll have, and when you try to sew someone up without anesthetic they tend to lash out at you a lot. You get sick of being punched. Unless you're really in the L-thing. And even then, no promises...

F*ck, this is depressing me. Where's the scotch...

[NICKjnp]

Mondo47 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Until she is romanced.... Do you wonder how she is after the suicide mission and Shepard paragon romanced her?

As Shep says, a few talks won't suture that mess up. Not a few talks, a few hugs, a few giggles together... it takes a long time, perhaps more time than they'll have, and when you try to sew someone up without anesthetic they tend to lash out at you a lot. You get sick of being punched. Unless you're really in the L-thing. And even then, no promises...

F*ck, this is depressing me. Where's the scotch...

I don't know but this truck can take you to a diner that has some... just tell them Large Marge sent ya!

Modifié par NICKjnp, 01 juillet 2010 - 11:56 .

[Errationatus]

Mondo47 wrote...
That really made me laugh, Jake. Good on you

Thank you, Mondo.  Glad you enjoyed it - and took it in the spirit in which it was intended.  Praise indeed.

Not even I'll give you prizes for saying sociopath instead of psychopath that many times though (and I think most everyone here knows my feelings on Jack, romance life expectancy and fertility, but who doesn't want their imaginary wished-for daughter to live long, be happy, and have another little monster just like her, eh girls)

Certainly.  Human nature.  The girl's been kicked in the teeth her whole life.  She deserves a break.  Getting breaks is something else entirely, however, and life is rarely fair.

Seriously though... I think we're putting too much of Jack we see into this. Here's a question for you all; when Jack is alone under the floor in Engineering... what do you see her doing? Who is the private Jack?

I see a woman that stares at the walls blankly and snaps out of it when someone comes by. Someone that hugs herself when she sleeps. Someone that has nightmares, flashbacks, and the sudden explosive sh*t that comes with them. It sounds cliche, but she'll cry sometimes and not know why, and there are worse times where she'll do it and know exactly why. She's someone that paces. Someone who fights with her alone-thoughts (and when she loses sh*t kicks off like it did with Miranda). Private Jack is on her own with the truth; I'm a woman with no identity beyond her commodity - nobody wants me except for what I can give, so f*ck 'em, I'll perform until I get a chance to ****** in their eyes...

Looks dead-on to me.  Running the gamut from depression to white-hot seething hatred (for nothing in particular, it can work that way, hate is its own reward, sometimes), to despair, to righteous anger, to utter apathy.  All in a day's trudgery for a sociopath - and a little girl with too much pain and power.

F*ck, do I feel sorry for that woman, sitting there all alone under people that have no clue what's really going on between those ears.

I don't feel sorry for Jack.  What's been done to her cannot be undone. I can see Jack being torn and hurt by those things, but she's too intelligent not to have learned at least something from it - even if it's just made her insular.  She's a stone-cold realist, and more power to her.  Does Jack feel sorry for herself?  That's the question.

Personally,  I feel sorry - sort-of - for her tormentors, and all those who are on her sh!tlist.  I feel sorry for those who don't have the balls to stick around and dig through the crap for the beautiful woman buried therein.  There are some things you cannot kill - and we got a glimpse of that in Shepard's cabin.

Oh, and just for sh!ts and giggles, I finally uploaded something to my DeviantArt account.   All may feel free to savage at your leisure.  It's not Eps-level, but I liked it.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 02 juillet 2010 - 12:16 .

[Mondo47]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...
Seriously though... I think we're putting too much of Jack we see into this. Here's a question for you all; when Jack is alone under the floor in Engineering... what do you see her doing? Who is the private Jack?

I see a woman that stares at the walls blankly and snaps out of it when someone comes by. Someone that hugs herself when she sleeps. Someone that has nightmares, flashbacks, and the sudden explosive sh*t that comes with them. It sounds cliche, but she'll cry sometimes and not know why, and there are worse times where she'll do it and know exactly why. She's someone that paces. Someone who fights with her alone-thoughts (and when she loses sh*t kicks off like it did with Miranda). Private Jack is on her own with the truth; I'm a woman with no identity beyond her commodity - nobody wants me except for what I can give, so f*ck 'em, I'll perform until I get a chance to ****** in their eyes...

F*ck, do I feel sorry for that woman, sitting there all alone under people that have no clue what's really going on between those ears.

If you think about it, Jack has to be disoriented and overwhelmed.  She was frozen in a prison, and then freed by the same group that raised her like twin children were raised in the Jewish concentration camps by uncle (Jo)esph Mengele.

So everything you said, and more.

As far as the actual depth of the character and story goes, she's is mentaly a tough woman.  To go through what she has gone through, and be ready for combat and a relationship is a bit of a stretch, but not really in the way the actual ME story is presented to us.  It is hard for me to delve too deeply into the psychology involved, because on one hand I have empathy for the character, but she is not realistically enduring the trauma that she has been through imo.  Not in the way the story is told.

If that makes any sense to you.

Perfectly. She holds it together in a way that makes the most dogged, stoic sonovab*tch you can imagine seem like a whining schoolkid. She makes Clint Eastwood, John Wayne and Sean Connery combined appear lacking in balls. I do know someone that had similar balls... never met her personally (died when I was still a wee little thing), but she walked into Belsen and walked out again, and she was still functional. I cannot even concieve of how that is at all possible. Jack's been through that yesterday in comparison of passage of time, yet she works as a warrior and a woman. I think one is possible, but not both (and I think to function as a warrior alone would require you becoming a robotic murder machine essentially). So yeah, I get you.

Modifié par Mondo47, 02 juillet 2010 - 12:18 .

[zvbxrpl]

Oh, man. The thread got heavy in the past few hours. I'm afraid that, seeing as it's summer, I can't really get myself in the frame of mind to contribute anything. I will say, though, that while my answers to the 10 questions were probably more fun, Jake's, and the picture painted of Jack following from those in the later posts probably has a lot more truth to it.