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[UsagiVindaloo]

Nastrod wrote...

Well Jack may pass 1k posts tonight so that is good. Sure there is some with more but also some with less. I am just glad it is growing.

edit-To the post above Jack actually has one sex scene (renegade) one romance/sex( paragon). The renegade one is a lot earlier but the choice is bad IMO. Don't do Jack like that since she has been used enough. The romance scene can also be done by renegade characters just choose the option you are willing to wait.

Yeah, I found out about that earlier Renegade sex scene... fun, but not quite what I'm looking for. Nor can I see my Renegade Shep getting all touchy feely with her like in the Paragon sex scene. What I would love is a way for a Renegade Shep to romance her in a sort of "fellow free spirit" sort of way, or becoming partners in crime. Something like him saying that once the whole Collector thing is done, he'd like to become a pirate and they can be PIRATES IN SPACE together or something.  That would be lots of fun.

[UsagiVindaloo]

Jackal904 wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

I'd like to romance her, but unfortunately my Paragon Shep only has eyes for Liara and Tali, and I'm not sure if it's possible to really romance her as Renegade; I know you can boink her, but afterwards she pushes you away, and I don't know if a Renegade can develop a deeper relationship with her.

Ya you can you just gotta choose the paragon or neutral dialogue options when you talk to her.

LOL, I didn't phrase that correctly... what I meant is, is there a way to develop a deeper relationship with her that still has Renegade-ish tone to it? At the moment, we have two choices:

- Renegade - bang her in her room, after which she pushes you away. One night stand.
- Paragon - woo her, make her open up, care about her, get touchy feely, then have a romantic moment in your cabin.

I do like the latter, but I'd love something more like this:

- Renegade - flirt with her, express admiration for her without getting all touchy feely, agree to become SPACE PIRATES together after the Collector mission. Relationship isn't as emotional as the Paragon version, but is more than a one night stand (f*** buddies, perhaps, or even just a more bad**** caring relationship)

[Jackal904]

Being renegade isn't about being evil. Yes you do some duesche bag-like things but you're not guna go raid some family's home and steal their money. And there are certain renegade dialogue choices you can choose with her and still successfully have a romantic relationship with her. So ya, you can sort of have a relationship with her with a renegade tone. All choose a lot of the neutral dialogue choices when I talk to her because they are not to wussy sounding and I don't sound like an ****.

[gneissguy2003]

1k posts for Jack love/appreciation? Awesome.

[Ilzairspar]

I'll second that.



Lets hear it for the awesomeness that is the fascinating character of Jack.

[gneissguy2003]

Only need 20 more....

















+1

[Nastrod]

This thread needs some more beauty that only Jack can give

[Ilzairspar]

I know a lot of you guys don't like the concept of fanfiction when it comes to Jack, but I really wish there was a nice introspective piece out there. You know, the game through her head or something. Unfortunately I can't write to save my life.

[Mondo47]

It's only a thousand... I mean, the Tali and Miranda threads get those in a day...

Granted, a lot of those are chibi-pics and floaty pink hearts and rather messed -up ideas about inter-species parenting and levels of personal reportage that verge on Twittering... maybe if Jack had had 46% more fanservice and 84% more fawning over Shep-ness...

Ok, ok, I'm being snarky - sorry

Just thought I'd put this in... to fill up space, y'know...



Afraid to let go?

[royceclemens]

Doing my part to hit 1k.

I myself am a fan of the neutral options when romancing Jack. Just the caliber of the dialogue is astounding, almost at the level of old school, Ben Hecht, Howard Hawks give-and-take. The breakdown seems more organic that way instead of hammering away with a nice guy routine until she buckles. Up until that point it's been a verbal chess match against a worthy opponent, and the Murtock confession is her way of attempting to maneuver you into check-mate.

It's just dawned on me that I've felt it necessary to namedrop Hecht and Hawks as well as Elmore Leonard a few pages back, three of the great crafters of character of the modern age. We've attempted psychoanalysis, regular analysis, comparison, contrast, dueling interpretations.

And it is at this point that I must pause and reflect on the fact that this is a damned VIDEO GAME.

In the words of the bandleader of the Titanic, "It's been an honor playing with you all." And when, inevitably, Stanley Woo or someone else from BioWare comes by and locks this thread for getting too big, I hope he finds this post and the two words that really work in a situation like this.

Thank you.

Modifié par royceclemens, 05 mars 2010 - 06:58 .

[gneissguy2003]

I'm curious how my romances will play out in ME3 because my "canon" Shepard has had a wild and strange ride with the ladies. In ME1, I romanced Liara because I just never really got a good vibe from Ashley, and I honestly found Liara more attractive for whatever reason. Some of it was her innocence, some of it was physical, some was her voice, and a few other things also.

Before ME2 came out, I saw the reveal for Jack and immediately wanted to know more about her and possibly persue her as my ME2 romance. Then I started playing and discovered I really wouldn't be interacting with Liara at all in this game and figured, "She's basically left to do her own thing, still cares about me, but has something more important to do than have a relationship with me. Guess I'm free to persue other ventures." And then.... Samara joined my team.

Now I'm probably going to sound like a heretic against Jack for saying this, but I guess there was a part of me that still had a thing for a Liara. In Samara I think I saw what Liara might become some day (the strength, the self-assuredness, and conviction), and I really liked it. I don't fully understand it myself, but I was immediately attracted to Samara and tried to persue her. Obviously, it ended with her turning me down just as it seemed like something was about to happen, and I was truly disappointed. Kudos to Bioware for that amazing bit of romantic teasing... it really pulled at me. Who ever thought that being rejected by a virtual character could feel that heavy?

So there was my Shepard, feeling a bit rejected and unsure of what he should do. I had traveled down some of the romantic conversations with Tali, but I got to thinking, "She's only something like 19 years old, and Shepard is what? 30-something? Oh yeah, and she might die from being with me. I don't wanna put her through that." So I turned her down and started talking with Jack since Miranda really was nothing more than eye candy.

When I think about it, it almost sounds like I just "settled" for Jack. Honestly, though, I'm really glad that I did persue her romance with my canon Shepard. The talks with her made me laugh, smile, and also cringe at times. I came to appreciate her dark sense of humor, and I wanted more. And while, like I said, it seems like I just settled for her since I either cut off other avenues myself or had them cut off for me, I feel like that final romantic scene in Shepard's quarters solidified my interest in her and where it could go from there. I guess I'm greatful it didn't work out with Samara because it would have changed everything, and right now I like where my canon Shepard is with Jack.

So, that being my Shepard's story, I do honestly wonder what will come of things between the ladies when ME 3 comes out. Will it acknowledge what happened with Samara? Will there be more than one confrontation between Shepard's ladies? How will Liara, being an asari, feel about the relationship with Jack? I could guess maybe how Ashley, a human, would react, but not an asari with their culturally different view on mates. I just hope Bioware has enough time to truly put together a story that delves into these things, but God knows they always get crunched for time in the end and something doesn't end up being in the final product.

And so the wait continues....

[Firmijn]

paragon options with Jack are horrible in my opinion. You really sound like a pathetic emotional softy with the paragon options. I like the neutral and renegade better, they more fit her character. Like they might more appeal to her character. Of course if you go renegade you must be careful to still get the paragon ending, but that makes it all the more interesting

[gneissguy2003]

I guess I need to do another play through at some point and actually get the Paragon ending with her while choosing most of the Renegade responses. My interest is piqued.

[Seraphael]

Jackal904 wrote...

Being renegade isn't about being evil. Yes you do some duesche bag-like things but you're not guna go raid some family's home and steal their money.

That's the boring stuff. Now, crashing space stations into moons...that's more like it! Could have the makings of an interesting story in ME3 if the hanar hired Thane to exact vengeance on Jack for her transgression.

[kaimanaMM]

I'll chip in for the 1k mark! 

I posted in this thread waaaay back in the beginning, but I've been quietly keeping track like the sneaky person I am.  Definitely a more interesting and thoughful level of conversation in here.  I might have to stop sneaking around and make myself at home!

Thane is number one in my heart, but Jack has her very own special spot in there, for sure. 

Modifié par kaimanaMM, 05 mars 2010 - 07:39 .

[Nastrod]

Firmijn wrote...

paragon options with Jack are horrible in my opinion. You really sound like a pathetic emotional softy with the paragon options. I like the neutral and renegade better, they more fit her character. Like they might more appeal to her character. Of course if you go renegade you must be careful to still get the paragon ending, but that makes it all the more interesting

I disagree 100%. Your saying going Paragon "emotional softy" for Jack. Jack has been abused in one shape or another her whole life since she was just a young child. So since you think renegade is the best way to talk to her then think of this.

In real life now think of a real child not just Jack- a 16 year has endured severe punishment to the highest levels from his parents from verbal,sexual, and physical. One basic human emotion is the fight or flee. So they can not escape the torture since the are young so they fight. The fight reaction is to build a angry defensive wall and damn it nothing will get by that wall and they will make themselves to tough to be hurt again. The kid thinks  screw them and do what you want but you will not hurt me anymore

So your best response to someone like that is (renegade) Hey kid life sucks but you have to get over it already and learn to toughen up..Playing a hardass with someone that has seen enough pain is not the best choice.


In the end Jack needs more then anything someone to show her there is hope and a reason to be happy. Ya sure life can suck but can be great also.

Modifié par Nastrod, 05 mars 2010 - 07:54 .

[Seraphael]

Heh. We've likened Jack to Baldur's Gate Viconia, but she's also similar to Aerie. Minus the whining self-pity. Both have been held captive and been abused. Both are broken in many ways. Both yearn for something better, someone to love them. Jack just hides it a helluvalot better.

[Epantiras]

royceclemens wrote...

Doing my part to hit 1k.

Me too ;-)


BTW did Bioware guys say that they were quite proud of how Jack turned out or am I mistaken? I think they said that right after releasing her first character trailer. That statement surprised me a lot since their misleading marketing made me believe that Jack was nothing but a half naked woman who hurled f* bombs every 5 minutes.

On a side note, I used to hate Jack because I was sure she was going to steal my FemShep's alpha / most badass character role. Lol I was wrong. It's Miranda who tries to steal Shepard's leading role and Jack became a sort of "ally" against her. During the Miranda VS Jack scene, I chose to side with Jack but then I reloaded and chose the renegade option because I didn't want to lose Miranda's loyalty. Meh I'm a perfectionist.

[MissingInfo]

Jack is my most favorite character in ME2. Interesting personality, useful in battle... It was nice to see that under that aggressive behavior was an emotionally weak, true love seeking person.

Modifié par MissingInfo, 05 mars 2010 - 07:53 .

[Ultai]

royceclemens wrote...

Doing my part to hit 1k.

I myself am a fan of the neutral options when romancing Jack. Just the caliber of the dialogue is astounding, almost at the level of old school, Ben Hecht, Howard Hawks give-and-take. The breakdown seems more organic that way instead of hammering away with a nice guy routine until she buckles. Up until that point it's been a verbal chess match against a worthy opponent, and the Murtock confession is her way of attempting to maneuver you into check-mate.

It's just dawned on me that I've felt it necessary to namedrop Hecht and Hawks as well as Elmore Leonard a few pages back, three of the great crafters of character of the modern age. We've attempted psychoanalysis, regular analysis, comparison, contrast, dueling interpretations.

And it is at this point that I must pause and reflect on the fact that this is a damned VIDEO GAME.

In the words of the bandleader of the Titanic, "It's been an honor playing with you all." And when, inevitably, Stanley Woo or someone else from BioWare comes by and locks this thread for getting too big, I hope he finds this post and the two words that really work in a situation like this.

Thank you.

I prefer the renegade/neutral responses when doing her paragon romance for the most part,  the last neutral one just felt right, renegade wasn't bad either...hell they're all good :|....especially when she got put in an uncomfortable spot.

Shep: You're the one who doesn't get it, I don't quit, period.
Jack: But I'll just **** you up.
Shep: Here's hoping.
Jack: How does that even make sense?
Shep: Does it need to? *small grin*
Jack: *nervous "huh"*

[Jackal904]

Mondo47 wrote...

It's only a thousand... I mean, the Tali and Miranda threads get those in a day...

Granted, a lot of those are chibi-pics and floaty pink hearts and rather messed -up ideas about inter-species parenting and levels of personal reportage that verge on Twittering... maybe if Jack had had 46% more fanservice and 84% more fawning over Shep-ness...

Ok, ok, I'm being snarky - sorry

Just thought I'd put this in... to fill up space, y'know...



Afraid to let go?

I love that part. That moment, and when she gets hesitant right before you land on the facility, were some of the key moments that drew me to Jack. I am such a sucker for chicks that are tough and badass and then show some signs of fear or sadness. I've always been that way. And I have never seen such a heart-string-pulling sad face as hers. Everytime she makes a sad face it just feels like someone is tugging at my heart. I mean look at those eyes!

Seraphael wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Being renegade isn't about being evil. Yes you do some duesche bag-like things but you're not guna go raid some family's home and steal their money.

That's the boring stuff. Now, crashing space stations into moons...that's more like it! Could have the makings of an interesting story in ME3 if the hanar hired Thane to exact vengeance on Jack for her transgression.

If that happened I would shoot Thane in a heart beat.

I wonder if in ME3 you'll run into someone that Jack may have done something wrong to. Like someone from that passenger ship she hijacked. That would be an interesting confrontation. Of course I would unconditionally side with Jack. I'd say something a long the lines of "She's past that now you gotta forgive her." And if they don't accept that then oh well. And if they go after Jack then I'll pop a cap in their ass .

[Seraphael]

Epantiras wrote...

BTW did Bioware guys say that they were quite proud of how Jack turned out or am I mistaken? I think they said that right after releasing her first character trailer. That statement surprised me a lot since their misleading marketing made me believe that Jack was nothing but a half naked woman who hurled f* bombs every 5 minutes.

Loads of people hated her outright after the reveal and many planned on flushing her out the nearest airlock if given opportunity to do so (gotta love lily-livered internet tough guys, eh?). Bioware was quick to attempt some damage control and heavily implied that there was more than met the eye to jack. Boy were they right.

On a side note, I used to hate Jack because I was sure she was going to steal my FemShep's alpha / most badass character role. Lol I was wrong.

Jack is sadly more bark than bite gameplay-wise. I wish they could toughen her up some, as is she's probably the weakest squad mate and with her rather abrasive personality, no wonder she isn't popular.

Modifié par Seraphael, 05 mars 2010 - 07:59 .

[royceclemens]

Jack's a glass cannon. She can't take a whole lot of punishment but she can dish it out like a fiend. Garrus is the same way, but, judging from the unfair gripes hurled at Jack, he is more "ladylike."



At least I *think* I'm following their criticisms, I could be wrong.

[Ultai]

I can see it now, we get to 1000 and Stanley Woo will come in and ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of our thread.

[BobbyTheI]

Looks like I get to be 999.

Oh, and somebody earlier mentioned fanfiction.  At one point, I ALMOST slipped into insanity and thought about writing one detaling the Murtock incident in more detail.  More just to get myself back in the saddle of writing and for my own curiosity.  I still have the plot outline around somewhere, maybe someday...