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[Nastrod]

1000 post WooHoo
deserves a pic

Modifié par Nastrod, 05 mars 2010 - 08:16 .

[Seraphael]

royceclemens wrote...

Jack's a glass cannon. She can't take a whole lot of punishment but she can dish it out like a fiend. Garrus is the same way, but, judging from the unfair gripes hurled at Jack, he is more "ladylike."

At least I *think* I'm following their criticisms, I could be wrong.

Glass no doubt, but is she a cannon though? Any shotgun wielding squad mate seem wanting for damage (though the Eviscerator helped). Certainly, they can't even begin to compare with anyone that has access to sniper- or assault rifles. She has a bit of utility in (Field) Lift, and (Squad) Warp Ammo if that floats your boat. But that's it. Jacob is tougher (with Barrier) and have the same amount of utility.

Ultai wrote...

I can see it now, we get to 1000 and Stanley Woo will come in and ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of our thread.

I say we petition Mr. Woo to turn Jack into the all powerful bi@tch they promised us!

Modifié par Seraphael, 05 mars 2010 - 08:18 .

[Mkrgross]

Woot! I knew Jack fans could pull this off. Yay, for the most interesting character in ME2.

[Seraphael]

Woo! Go team Jack!

[Jackal904]

Epantiras wrote...

I used to hate Jack because I was sure she was going to steal my FemShep's alpha / most badass character role. Lol I was wrong. It's Miranda who tries to steal Shepard's leading role and Jack became a sort of "ally" against her.

Lol that's exactly what I thought. When I first saw her reveal trailer and learned that she is supposedly the most powerful human biotic, my first thought was "The **** she is! My renegade femShep adept is the most badass biotic ****!" But I didn't really care about that on my paragon male Shep because he's a soldier.

But man, when I started talking to her a lot I was amazed how much more there was to her than what they showed on her reveal trailer. I was blown away. The character whom I thought was going to have the least depth turns out to have the most. And I also realized how Miranda was the one who threatens Shepards role the most. I hate it when she tells me what to do. I just want to say "**** I'm Commander Shepard! Sit the **** down!"

Seraphael wrote...

Jack is sadly more bark than bite gameplay-wise. I wish they could toughen her up some, as is she's probably the weakest squad mate and with her rather abrasive personality, no wonder she isn't popular.

I don't understand why people think she sucks in combat. She is easily one of the most useful squadmates in combat. She can use pull often which is incredibly useful. She can use shockwave often which knocks enemies out of cover and stuns armoured/shielded enemies. And she can give warp ammo to the whole team. Plus she does good amount of damage at close range with the eviscerator shotgun.

BobbyTheI wrote...

Oh, and somebody earlier mentioned fanfiction.  At one point, I ALMOST slipped into insanity and thought about writing one detaling the Murtock incident in more detail.  More just to get myself back in the saddle of writing and for my own curiosity.  I still have the plot outline around somewhere, maybe someday... 

Don't give in! Fight it! This thread must remain untainted by those vile fanfictions. We do not need to lower ourselves to the same level as the people in the Tali and Miranda threads, that are infested with twitter-like posts and creepy childish fanfics.

Modifié par Jackal904, 05 mars 2010 - 08:24 .

[Ilzairspar]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Looks like I get to be 999.

Oh, and somebody earlier mentioned fanfiction.  At one point, I ALMOST slipped into insanity and thought about writing one detaling the Murtock incident in more detail.  More just to get myself back in the saddle of writing and for my own curiosity.  I still have the plot outline around somewhere, maybe someday... 

LOL that was me...

You see, with Jack if there's gonna be fanfiction it Damn well better be GOOD fanfiction.  The OOC crap thats out there isn't good enough.

Then again...perhaps I'm a fanfic snob.

[Mkrgross]

[quote]Seraphael wrote...

Jack is sadly more bark than bite gameplay-wise. I wish they could toughen her up some, as is she's probably the weakest squad mate and with her rather abrasive personality, no wonder she isn't popular.

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([/quote]Idon't understand why people think she sucks in combat. She is easily one of the most useful squadmates in combat. She can use pull often which is incredibly useful. She can use shockwave often which knocks enemies out of cover and stuns armoured/shielded enemies. And she can give warp ammo to the whole team. Plus she does good amount of damage at close range with the eviscerator shotgun.[/quote]) Something Messed up this was suppose to be a quote).


A few pages back someone posted some gameplay tactics videos on Insanity, using Jack and gimped her, (Not putting any points in Pull) proving that Jack is not as useless as people believe, he went on to say he prefers Jack in his Insanity playthroughs.

Modifié par Mkrgross, 05 mars 2010 - 08:30 .

[Seraphael]

Nobody truly sucks in combat. Bioware did a too good job with balancing for that. But compared to Legion with a Widow Maker? Compared to Grunt, Thane, Samara and Garrus? Even Mordin with his Incinerator Blast. Tali is at least as good or better even with the mostly useless AI Hacking. Jacob is almost identical but with far greater survivability. With my sentinel Shepard, Jack only ever get to use Field Lift (and Warp Ammo if another ammo power isn't available). But then again, squad composition is a bit of a puzzle and what fits one player won't fit another. So, while Jack certainly doesn't suck...she does leave a little to be desired IMO.

[Mkrgross]

Though not too many will argue Jack's passive is one of the best in the game. Pull and Shockwaves stunning effect on sheilded enemies is very useful, and managing your squad mates to keep them in cover, but you are right in that everyone can be useful, to some extent. To each their own though.

Modifié par Mkrgross, 05 mars 2010 - 08:48 .

[gneissguy2003]

Mkrgross wrote...
A few pages back someone posted some gameplay tactics videos on Insanity, using Jack and gimped her, (Not putting any points in Pull) proving that Jack is not as useless as people believe, he went on to say he prefers Jack in his Insanity playthroughs.

I saw that post and even checked out the video. The biggest reason, it seemed, to bring Jack when playing on Insanity is for Shockwave. Believe it or not, the author of that post and the videos was basically saying that it's overall the best move for getting enemies out of cover (which is all the time on Insanity) and for some short-term CC to get some quick bursts of damage in. Pull, Squad Warp Ammo, and Jack's passive are all just icing on top. Yeah, her survival might leave a bit to be desired, but she is far from useless.

As for her damage output being questionable because of the shotgun, I usually just have her switch over to the heavy pistol with Warp Ammo since I usually have my SMG ready to go and my other squad mate using either an SMG also or an assault rifle. That way she isn't useless against shields because of the Warp Ammo, and once shields are down she's hitting foo's with the appropriate weapon at better range.

[Jackal904]

Seraphael wrote...

Nobody truly sucks in combat. Bioware did a too good job with balancing for that. But compared to Legion with a Widow Maker? Compared to Grunt, Thane, Samara and Garrus? Even Mordin with his Incinerator Blast. Tali is at least as good or better even with the mostly useless AI Hacking. Jacob is almost identical but with far greater survivability. With my sentinel Shepard, Jack only ever get to use Field Lift (and Warp Ammo if another ammo power isn't available). But then again, squad composition is a bit of a puzzle and what fits one player won't fit another. So, while Jack certainly doesn't suck...she does leave a little to be desired IMO.

Jacob cannot use pull as often and he can't give the whole squad warp ammo. Incendiary ammo is only good against armour. The DoT of incendiary ammo is too slow against health. Plus he doesn't have shockwave which can knock people out of cover and stun armoured and shielded enemies. Plus he has no sense of humor and all of his lines suck! He's the only one that doesn't think it's funny how Shepard tells that blue suns merc he should try and find a shady spot to bleed out at. He says "Was that really necessary commander?" I wanted to punch him in the face when he said that.

[UsagiVindaloo]

Jackal904 wrote...

Being renegade isn't about being evil. Yes you do some duesche bag-like things but you're not guna go raid some family's home and steal their money. And there are certain renegade dialogue choices you can choose with her and still successfully have a romantic relationship with her. So ya, you can sort of have a relationship with her with a renegade tone. All choose a lot of the neutral dialogue choices when I talk to her because they are not to wussy sounding and I don't sound like an ****.

Ah, sounds like the neutral options will be good then... perhaps I will end up romancing her after all on my Renegade. I just want a nice balance between the Renegade "I SEX YOU UP NOW hmm why you no talk to me?" and the Paragon "but I want to HELP you! *hug hug hug*" (which I actually do like, it just isn't going to work for my next Shepard). I liked that one neutral conversation.  

[gneissguy2003]

I'm currently playing a Renegade-Sentinel maleShep, and for the sake of complete bad-a**ery I'm taking the same two people on each mission: Jack and Zaeed. That way, tactically, I've covered all my bases. Jack brings some heavy biotic CC/anti-cover tools with a nice group ammo option, Zaeed is always sporting his assault rifle and taking down shields like a mofo plus his grenade skill which is good on armor and fantastic on any unshielded/unarmored organic, and then I cover the rest as a Sentinel with maxed out Warp and Overload. Combine that with some decent squad positioning and nothing lasts too long against us.

Also, HUZZAH on 1000+ posts for Jack.

Jack demands an epic fist-pound for awesomeness!

Modifié par gneissguy2003, 05 mars 2010 - 09:04 .

[royceclemens]

Ilzairspar wrote...

I know a lot of you guys don't like the concept of fanfiction when it comes to Jack, but I really wish there was a nice introspective piece out there. You know, the game through her head or something. Unfortunately I can't write to save my life.

Good news: With a little bit of motivation, I could probably whip something up.  I've never written fanfiction before.  Could be a neat little experiment to test my talents.

Bad news: I'm a screenwriter.  I doubt what I'm capable of is what you're looking for.

[Nastrod]

I honestly think for hardcore and insanity jack is not the best because I like both my members to be able to zap shields or armor. On veteran or below she is by far the best but since in hardcore or above everything including husks has armor. Soldier and Infiltrator can both snipe in slow-mo so pull not as needed, Vanguard and adept both have pull if needed, engineer has bots to pull out of cover so that just leaves sentinels.

At least for me there is s much armor and shields that it works far better to have members that can help with that. Sure you can do with other stuff but just makes it harder.


That is why I am glad I am done with my insanity run so I can go back to verteran and have jack stay there and shockwave for as long as she wants.

Modifié par Nastrod, 05 mars 2010 - 09:14 .

[Console Cowboy]

Jackal904 wrote...


I love that part. That moment, and when she gets hesitant right before you land on the facility, were some of the key moments that drew me to Jack.

same. the delivery of "we shouldn't have come here" was perfect. the anxiety came through in a very genuine way.

[gneissguy2003]

The idea of fan fiction is... intriguing, I guess. I'm not sure that I've ever really enjoyed the idea of it. I, personally, would be much more interested in fan art of Jack, specifically at different points of her life or doing the crazy sh*t we know she's done. Maybe some fan art of her escape from Pragia or something. I'm interested in people's mental image of her, not necessarily their made up storylines. Not trying to be harsh, just honest.

[Ilzairspar]

LOL I'm fond of fanart as well but there is so much crap out there in both fanfiction and fanart it's so hard to good fan made stuff.

[Nastrod]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

The idea of fan fiction is... intriguing, I guess. I'm not sure that I've ever really enjoyed the idea of it. I, personally, would be much more interested in fan art of Jack, specifically at different points of her life or doing the crazy sh*t we know she's done. Maybe some fan art of her escape from Pragia or something. I'm interested in people's mental image of her, not necessarily their made up storylines. Not trying to be harsh, just honest.

As far as fanart this is my favorite one I have seen. This was not done by me since I draw like crap.
edit- I am sure there is many more but I have only seen a couple for Jack.

Modifié par Nastrod, 05 mars 2010 - 09:19 .

[Mondo47]

Fanfic...

No, I'll spare you. I've never had a shining opinion of it, though it is no less valid an expression than any other of a connection to something. I've been published since, though, and it made me a little snobbish about it all, something I really should burn out of myself at some juncture because it's bloody hypocrisy on my part. About eight or nine years back, while I was propping up a lonely desk at university I wrote some fanfic as a way to pass the time, keep my chops together. Posted it on a fanfic forum. Forgot about it. Every so often though, as recently as about four or five months back, I'll get an email out of the blue from people asking me to finish it because they liked my take on the source material. Weird, because the only reason I wrote it was because I wanted to get out some fantasies that were, erm... let's just say cougar-ish (does it count as cougar-ish if one character is sixteen and the other is about twenty thousand years old... I mean, where's the stop-gap for good taste?) I blame being at uni in my mid 20's and being surrounded by teenagers... all those hormones...

[gneissguy2003]

Nastrod wrote...

As far as fanart this is my favorite one I have seen. This was not done by me since I draw like crap.

Well, it's not too bad. They went a little overboard on her chest, I think. I guess my opinion would be that fanart of Jack should be gritty like her character. However, doing her own tattoos does seem like a very Jack kind of thing.

In other news, I was skimming through an old forum post about Jack (someone not liking her... surprise!), and about 2/3 of the way down the first page of posts someone mentions that Casey Hudson over at Bioware actually made a comment that Jack "is his favorite character." Now, I'm not 100% sure where that Casey would have said that, but maybe it was in one of the interview videos. If it's true, though, I would hope that bodes well for Jack's fortunes in ME3.

Modifié par gneissguy2003, 05 mars 2010 - 09:24 .

[royceclemens]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

The idea of fan fiction is... intriguing, I guess. I'm not sure that I've ever really enjoyed the idea of it. I, personally, would be much more interested in fan art of Jack, specifically at different points of her life or doing the crazy sh*t we know she's done. Maybe some fan art of her escape from Pragia or something. I'm interested in people's mental image of her, not necessarily their made up storylines. Not trying to be harsh, just honest.

Oh, dear Lord how I agree with you.  Never even read any of it myself.  From all the horror stories I've heard about fanfiction in general, they're usually poorly worded tripe that devolve into meaningless sex.  No point in it, really.  Acting out goofy juvenile fantasies on the internet while whirlingly in love with the sound of their fingers hitting the keyboard.

But then again... It is something I haven't tried before.  And one should always try new things...  So yeah, Ilzairspar, you want something done, say the word.

Modifié par royceclemens, 05 mars 2010 - 09:42 .

[Jackal904]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

 Paragon "but I want to HELP you! *hug hug hug*" (which I actually do like, it just isn't going to work for my next Shepard). I liked that one neutral conversation.  

Even the paragon dialogue options with her aren't that lovey dovey though.

[Jackal904]

Nastrod wrote...

I honestly think for hardcore and insanity jack is not the best because I like both my members to be able to zap shields or armor. On veteran or below she is by far the best but since in hardcore or above everything including husks has armor. Soldier and Infiltrator can both snipe in slow-mo so pull not as needed, Vanguard and adept both have pull if needed, engineer has bots to pull out of cover so that just leaves sentinels.

At least for me there is s much armor and shields that it works far better to have members that can help with that. Sure you can do with other stuff but just makes it harder.


That is why I am glad I am done with my insanity run so I can go back to verteran and have jack stay there and shockwave for as long as she wants.

I beat insanity as a soldier and I had Jack in my squad all the time as soon as I got her. I couldn't imagine going through insanity without someone with her skills. I don't like to rely on my squadmates having to take out enemy armour since they can only do it every 12 seconds. I found it FAR more effective to just use incendiary ammo or tungsten ammo against armoured enemies. And you have disruptor ammo against shielded enemies which I found far more effective than heavy overload. Overload and incinerate as so overrated. You take down someones armour real quick with your assault rifle and hit the hotkey that makes Jack use pull. I use it all the time during combat and it is incredibly effective. And when a guy rushes you, quickly take down their armour and have Jack use pull. She has saved my ass so many times. Plus if you give her heavy warp ammo she can do some nice damage at close range with the eviscerator shotgun.

And I want to clarify that I am not being biased. This is far more effective than having Miranda or Mordin take out some of an enemies armour every 12 seconds.

[Razorsedge820]

I would love to see Fan Fiction about Jacks stay on Purgatory. That alone can make for some good writing since allot of messed up things can happen in the big house as Jack mentioned in that bathroom on the citadel. I am pretty sure Jack was not a model guest on Purgatory and was the only inmate who had a whole table to herself in the cafeteria.

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 05 mars 2010 - 10:06 .