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[Pacifien]

I've thrown glasses at (sort of) people during fights with a general statement of taking them down and destroying their lives, so I am perhaps projecting a bit of myself onto Jack here.

Anyway, the suicide mission is done, but it seems the squadmates are settling in to help Shepard for the long haul. Won't know until ME3, but as I said, so long as they stick with Shepard, they will keep their own issues on the back burner. Given time, such issues might never be brought up again, even if they still have strong dislike for each other.

As for Jack's revenge on Cerberus, she only settled on blowing up Teltin even though the Illusive Man indicates that some of the personnel actually survived. She says she'll go after them, their family, their friends, but again, it's just trash talk.

[Collider]

I don't know whether we can call it just trash talk. We don't know that for sure. Jack has been violent in the past - it's well within her history to be a violent person.
And she flung a chair at Miranda because Miranda wouldn't say that Cerberus did the experiments (in other words, nothing). I might think that was just trash talking if Jack wasn't someone who was a self-proclaimed violent "****" (a title she seems proud of, and no I don't agree with her on that adjective).

If Jack leaves Shepard for whatever reason (which I imagine would be accompanied by a soured relationship with Cerberus or Shepard), I could see her going after the Cerberus personnel behind the experiments. I never really saw Jack as one to "settle down" somewhere unless she thinks she has a good reason. Her past made it seem like she was constantly wandering from place to place, and she also seems enamored with the idea of being a pirate (which would necessitate traveling).

Modifié par Collider, 12 juillet 2010 - 04:04 .

[Pacifien]

I certainly think Jack is capable of backing up her talk, but I don't think she always does what she says she'd like to do. A great deal of her image is simply magnifying the image such that it's up front in everyone's faces. Doesn't mean she actually is the image she's projecting. If that makes any sense.

Anyway, Jack leaving Shepard depends on what makes her feel tied down and what she's willing to learn from her time on the Normandy. Even if you don't romance her, so long as you did her loyalty mission and was reasonably decent with her, she admits things about herself to you that she admits she's not told anyone (because no one ever bothered to ask, it would seem). Shepard isn't going to see her simply as a tool to use. And Shepard isn't settling down any time soon as a storm seems to be developing around him. Jack could stick around simply for that excitement. She might stick around because she's finding a place that isn't all about using her and dumping her. Don't really know, but the impression given in ME2 when you help your squadmates and gain their loyalty is that you help them develop into a new stage of their lives. When Jack blew up Teltin, she says she has left her past behind.

So that's just my roundabout way of saying that Jack isn't going out of her way to attack Miranda. Spirited arguments, perhaps. Lively sparring matches, maybe. Actually smearing the walls with her, not so much.

[axl99]

I swear. Every single time I hear the words "smearing the walls" my mind wanders into a gutter. Mondo this is all your fault! You and your motivationals!

[Collider]

Good points, Pacifien. I'm not sure we can categorically say that what she claimed about Miranda and the Cerberus personennel is a load of baloney, though.



As far "leaving her past behind" I cannot really agree with that because of the fight she starts with Miranda.

[Epantiras]

Collider wrote...
As far "leaving her past behind" I cannot really agree with that because of the fight she starts with Miranda.

I think that "leaving her past behind" is the whole point of Jack's loyalty mission.
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But I still hope there will be a Jack VS Miranda fight in ME3! It's like "Alien VS Predator - whoever wins, we lose"

Oh, and just some sillyness I did right after the Dragon Age 2 announcement. Not strictly Jack related, but she's there:

[Collider]

No - not what I meant. Jack hasn't left her past completely, was my meaning. Things like what she went through won't disappear just by blowing the facility up.

@art: That's very amusing

Modifié par Collider, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:34 .

[pizzzu]

That's hilarious, Epantiras. Oh, by the way, I've never been a fan of Jack, but I'm trying to romance her right now.. She's kind of cute, I guess :}

Modifié par pizzzu, 12 juillet 2010 - 12:59 .

[Mondo47]

NICKjnp wrote...

Great Mondo...
But wakeboarding is done on a lake.... where the water is flat enough to create a wake and a boat can go in a straight line.... unless you mean they are using those parachute things to jump the waves.

My reasoning is that the Sonoma Bay resort does not exist in Bay Area... yet. When I thought up the whole Jack & Hannah scene, I wanted it to take place in San Fran. I knew it'd have to be a very different San Fran, so I had a fiddle with one of those sea level simulators after noticing in the codex that in the ME universe's future, Earth has higher sea levels thanks to global warming. Sonoma park (which now is a nice little forest) ended up underwater, and formed this wide, almost circular bay... I just thought that it would make a nice resort spot because the land there today shelves off a little towards where the sea is now. It'll be perfect for gentle watersports and beach-fishing in a hundred years... just stick in a couple of typical resort attractions, a fine eatery or two, a nice quiet reclaimed beach...

But hey, like you said, maybe they were using kites, chutes, local antigrav generators, whatever. I was just painting a picture either way

Modifié par Mondo47, 12 juillet 2010 - 03:06 .

[Mondo47]

axl99 wrote...

I swear. Every single time I hear the words "smearing the walls" my mind wanders into a gutter. Mondo this is all your fault! You and your motivationals!

Don't blame me! Bobby started it!

[Pacifien]

pizzzu wrote...
That's hilarious, Epantiras. Oh, by the way, I've never been a fan of Jack, but I'm trying to romance her right now.. She's kind of cute, I guess :}

You will be converted! Mwuahahahahaha!

[Pacifien]

Mondo47 wrote...
My reasoning is that the Sonoma Bay resort does not exist in Bay Area... yet. When I thought up the whole Jack & Hannah scene, I wanted it to take place in San Fran. I knew it'd have to be a very different San Fran, so I had a fiddle with one of those sea level simulators after noticing in the codex that in the ME universe's future, Earth has higher sea levels thanks to global warming. *snip*

Oh, good attention to detail. Oh man, does that mean Muir Woods gets covered? Where's the sea level generator you used, I wanna know if my apartment complex survives.

[Mondo47]

Pacifien wrote...

Oh, good attention to detail. Oh man, does that mean Muir Woods gets covered? Where's the sea level generator you used, I wanna know if my apartment complex survives.

Yeesh, I picked one at random after googling it. Can't remember which one it was. I do know I took a few liberties with water levels - if I remember right the codex does say how far sea levels rose, and frankly it did nothing much to the bay area other than sheer off a little land in the lowest-lying areas on the banks and wiped out my favorite crab place on the piers just down from Ghirardelli's (I got a crab the size of my head for about six bucks and it was gorgeous... I'm a shellfish monster as well as a chocolate monster)... so I guess those noisy seals will find a new home in the flooded remains of Ripley's Be-Seal It Or Not I ended up going with a worst-case-scenario sea level adjustment (which I think doubled or tripled the stated codex level), which still didn't do too much by all accounts (I was hoping to erase Alcatraz just for giggles and that took a lot of seawater), so I reckon the redwoods were safe on the whole... they're not exactly really low-lying if I remember right (only been to Muir Woods the once). Sh*t, much more important - I hope I didn't destroy Rasputin's!

I love San Francisco, so I had to send them there for happy times.

Modifié par Mondo47, 12 juillet 2010 - 03:45 .

[MHRazer]

 Reading Mondo's quickfic reminded me of Urdaniel's... I hope he hasn't quit on that one. Been looking forward to the next day in it for a while now. 

[NICKjnp]

Mondo47 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Great Mondo...
But wakeboarding is done on a lake.... where the water is flat enough to create a wake and a boat can go in a straight line.... unless you mean they are using those parachute things to jump the waves.

My reasoning is that the Sonoma Bay resort does not exist in Bay Area... yet. When I thought up the whole Jack & Hannah scene, I wanted it to take place in San Fran. I knew it'd have to be a very different San Fran, so I had a fiddle with one of those sea level simulators after noticing in the codex that in the ME universe's future, Earth has higher sea levels thanks to global warming. Sonoma park (which now is a nice little forest) ended up underwater, and formed this wide, almost circular bay... I just thought that it would make a nice resort spot because the land there today shelves off a little towards where the sea is now. It'll be perfect for gentle watersports and beach-fishing in a hundred years... just stick in a couple of typical resort attractions, a fine eatery or two, a nice quiet reclaimed beach...

But hey, like you said, maybe they were using kites, chutes, local antigrav generators, whatever. I was just painting a picture either way

.... that is too bad.  I like Bodega Bay as well as the surrounding area and those would be underwater.

[Pacifien]

Where is Urdaniel? Have we somehow scared him off?

[Pacifien]

Regarding sea levels, I suppose the best indication of exactly how far it's risen is to see what it takes to turn the area around Vancouver into new beach front, as stated by Kaidan.

*goes to find a sea level program*

[Jackal904]

Epantiras wrote...

Oh, and just some sillyness I did right after the Dragon Age 2 announcement. Not strictly Jack related, but she's there:

Lol that is great. I love how you made a DA:O version of every ME2 squadmate, except Jacob who is randomly shirtless and is wearing a sailor hat .

Pacifien wrote...

Where is Urdaniel? Have we somehow scared him off?

Yeah I've been wondeing this too. I really hope he hasn't given up on his fanfic.

Modifié par Jackal904, 12 juillet 2010 - 04:40 .

[Gethforceone]

Pacifien wrote...

Where is Urdaniel? Have we somehow scared him off?

Speaking of which, anyone ever hear from LG?

[Mondo47]

Ok, I can't fill in for Urdaniel, but I can try...

Kids - tell me what you want to read, and I'll write it. I'd do a poll, but it'd just draw the wrong kind of flies. So... what do you want Jack to do today?

[Pacifien]

Okay, since I never got very far with it, you can write about Jack's wandering through the Presidium by herself while Shepard is off yelling at the Council. You have until I finish making lunch.

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...
Kids - tell me what you want to read, and I'll write it. I'd do a poll, but it'd just draw the wrong kind of flies. So... what do you want Jack to do today?

Today I feel mischevous so... how about Jack accidentally being sucked into a plot-hole which teleports her in Dragon Age? Have fun