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[Pacifien]

Mondo47 wrote...
That one really puzzles me - I've heard a damn sight worse in the real world, so why all the sensitivity? Oh noes - he's objectifying Shep! Seriously, if you go out to clubs and guys hit on you, you can hear lines that make that sound like f*cking Shakespeare. I've heard sh*t that made me want to go and shower in bleach in comparison to being thought of as "the priiize." Are we really that bloody sensitive that a throwaway (but admittedly crap) chatup line puts us off a fictional character so deeply we just can't find anything esle good to say about him?

I think it's got to be something else...

I think there are other factors involved. For myself, I never even made it to "the priiize" before I was turned off on the romance. That particular line didn't become gold until the meme. I simply hated the way Shepard sounded when speaking to him. People who complain about Jacob's tone in the romance, I like to point out that Shepard started it.

[Quaay]

Yea I really couldn't handle the way I leaned back to talk to Jacob or that come hither voice. Plus Jacob's body type just isn't for me. I don't like a guy who is too muscular. Ugh!



And Jack's bewbs are the perfect size. I'm glad they didn't go overboard with them.

[adriano_c]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

This is totally off topic, but has any of the Jack fans played Jade Empire? If so, how did you like it. I noticed Steam sells it fairly cheap, but it has an 81 metascore. Not real low, but nothing special. Of course you can't always go by metascores.

Bought it, played it once, and never touched it again (don't think I even have the disc anymore, which means I probably threw it away). I can't remember anything about it other than the combat was the most simple-minded, repetitive sh*t ever.

[LiquidGrape]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...
Jade Empire remains my favourite BioWare game.
Might not be the most polished, or the most comprehensive.
But it's my favourite.

Great story?

Yeah, I'd say so. It actually surprised me a fair few times, something I seldom expect from a video game narrative.
Also, it has my favourite romantic subplot of any BioWare game in Silk Fox, although I do believe you've stated previously that you're not that interested in those aspects.
Still. Warm recommendations.

P.S
That said, the combat is rather simplistic. But I found no issue with that as the setting and intrigue was sufficient enough to keep me entertained.
D.S

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 27 juillet 2010 - 07:26 .

[Goat_Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
You can't let the forum influence you.  I know it's hard not to let it influence you, but you gotta go with your own instincts.  This forum has more than its fair share of sheep.

Well my perspective is going to be influenced, that always happens when you hear 2nd opinions, but definitely not changing my own. I only mean that it's easy for a meme like "The Priize" to grow supporters like a bandwagon until that's all they're supporting is the phrase, forgetting the character completely.

she jumped over the cover that I was using, and got right up into my face, and was yelling at me to stop shooting her.  I was like, "ok Jack, move so I can see, or we're all going to get killed".

Trigger-happy? she and everyone else got in my way so often, I just got used to moving 5 feet to the right, but that's only because there are things that need killing, there's time to oggle squaddies in the sunlight later.

Oh, and gotta go with dem flaps and belt, I don't care if it looks uncomfortable.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 27 juillet 2010 - 07:27 .

[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...

Samara's posterior looks great there.  She has a great rear-end.  Miranda looks like she has two Christmas hams stuck in the seat of her pants in that picture.

OMG! That's what Miranda's ass made me think of! The best way to describe it ;-)
And I'm not criticizing the character, I'm cirticizing the 3d model, so please Miranda fans don't kill me :-P

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And Idk if this was ever posted.

Lol'd at Miri's "Jack wtf are you doing?" look

JohnnyDollar wrote...

This is totally off topic, but has
any of the Jack fans played Jade Empire? If so, how did you like it. I
noticed Steam sells it fairly cheap, but it has an 81 metascore. Not
real low, but nothing special. Of course you can't always go by
metascores.

It was nice, especially because I got it at a super cheap price.  The plot is interesting but not as "emotionally engaging" as Dragon Age or Mass Effect imo, the fighting system is simple but can be exploited sometimes (one word: shapechanging). Companions are a bit shallow imho - and sorry LG, I really can't stand Silk Fox... maybe she's an interesting characte deep inside, but think Miranda is a nicer person :-P
If you want to have a good idea of Jade Empire, think of a game with Knights of the Old Republic good/evil meter and real-time combat.

Pacifien wrote...
I think there are other factors involved. For myself, I
never even made it to "the priiize" before I was turned off on the
romance. That particular line didn't become gold until the meme. I
simply hated the way Shepard sounded when speaking to him. People who
complain about Jacob's tone in the romance, I like to point out that Shepard started it.

Same here. I've noticed that, unlike most Bioware RPGs, in ME2 it's always Shepard who starts the flirting, once you advance the dialogue tree enough (usually after the loyalty mission) you're given the option to either show your interest or say "let's just be friend". However, Jacob's dialogue is a little different as FemShep basically molests him!


EDITED 'cause I forgot to close a [ quote ] tag

Modifié par Epantiras, 27 juillet 2010 - 07:56 .

[axl99]

Tell that to Miranda, Sundown. I mean that in the most non-offensive way possible.

[Goat_Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...
I realize Ashley and Kaiden were intended to be S/S available, but perspective is a hell of a thing.

I imagine that if they had intended for them to be s/s available, then they would be.

Hey don't ask me what goes on in the heirarchy

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I remember someone created a thread asking what the new meme should be.  I posted and said, how about we
just don't have a damn meme.

It's the poor newcomers I feel bad for. It took me weeks to find out most everyone was talking out of their ass, and I reveled in it. "But it's so much fun" as the newbie walks in to The Priiiize

@Sundown
That's why I didn't understand the Jacob hate, cuz he was always not comfortable with these kinds of talks

Mildly relevant screenie

axl99 wrote...

Tell that to Miranda, Sundown. I mean that in the most non-offensive way possible.

You mean the fact Miranda's 5 years younger than Zaeed? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 27 juillet 2010 - 08:02 .

[Errationatus]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
I lol, you also made it seem like the Dating Game where's our 3rd bachelorette?

Personally, if there were no Jack in the game, I'd be pissy because I couldn't have a full-fledged romance with either Samara or Chakwas.  Actually, I am kinda pissy that I couldn't.  Chakwas is hotter ( I should explain that, not being 20 or even close, when I say "hot", I'm speaking of far more than just ****** 'n' trunkjunk) than Miranda just for her voice alone, and Samara is ... well, Samara.  Cold or no...

Dayum.  AILF all the way.

I'm going to regret killing her when I play my full renegade Shepard.

But we don't visit the forums to play the game,

Sure we do. 

that's when all the fan-made universes come in. There's a lot of truth to your post, one is the predisposition to the characters before you experience them yourself such as The Priize and the awkwardness of Garrus' romance. They are always exaggerated, but they do start from some truth, it's up to us to keep an open mind.

Well, like I said, we project the majority of their character onto them - take Jacob for example.  I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of the dislike fans have - aside from dumb dialogue, or inappropriate tone - is simple racism.  Some unconscious, some not.  Unfortunately, it's inevitable. Certainly not Jacob's fault.

A lot of it is squarely at the feet of the writer for Jacob.  He made him an insensitive clod.  "Go meet the AI, Tali", "Miranda deserves a better man than I" to FemShep no less.  He shines in his loyalty mission, although he has dick moments there, too, but they're understandable as stress.  He's a bro unromanced, and a great one at that.  Romance him, and he's just a douche.  Pity, really.

There are moments for Miranda, when she borders on the sweet and vulnerable, and then she says something stupid.  The opening of the romance tree ("Maybe I wouldn't mind if you admired my body"), always vaguely embarasses me - not because I don't admire strong, forthright confident women - I must, I married one - it just seems off somehow.  "You saved my sister!  I'm so grateful!  Admire my body!"  Ah... derp? 

I had hopes for Miranda, and they were pretty much sunk after her loyalty mission.  She kinda had me up until its conclusion.  Too bad.

Kelly is cute.  Cute in an "How-the-fvck-did-you-get-a-degree-in-anything-let-alone-psychology-you-frigging-houseplant?" kinda way.

But... that's projection for ya. 

[Collider]

It's true that there are much worse things that Jacob could have said, or that other guys have said to women. But Jacob was deliberately written to say "priiize." I can understand real guys using goofy or ill thought lines, but when you consider that someone wrote and finalized heavy risk and all that junk, it's a bit baffling.

[Epantiras]

JakeMacDon wrote...
 "You saved my sister!  I'm so grateful!  Admire my body!"  Ah... derp? 

Guess it's her way to say "thank you" ;-)

JakeMacDon wrote...
Kelly is cute.  Cute in an "How-the-fvck-did-you-get-a-degree-in-anything-let-alone-psychology-you-frigging-houseplant?" kinda way.

I've drawn a fan art about how and where TIM handpicked her, don't make me upload it here ;-)

[NICKjnp]

Mondo47 wrote...

As long as Dem Flaps doesn't become our new meme I think we're ok

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Anyway, part of Jacob that I read turns a lot of female gamers off is simply "the priiize". Objectifying Femshep as something you sneak into the captain's quarters at night for as a heavy risk..but the priizze. Idk, there's a ton of dialogue leading up to this scene so I won't pretend I know, but it's something I read from some females.

That one really puzzles me - I've heard a damn sight worse in the real world, so why all the sensitivity? Oh noes - he's objectifying Shep! Seriously, if you go out to clubs and guys hit on you, you can hear lines that make that sound like f*cking Shakespeare. I've heard sh*t that made me want to go and shower in bleach in comparison to being thought of as "the priiize." Are we really that bloody sensitive that a throwaway (but admittedly crap) chatup line puts us off a fictional character so deeply we just can't find anything esle good to say about him?

I think it's got to be something else...

I've used lines before where I've said to myself... I can't believe that actually worked.

[Collider]

I like JakeMacDon said, Jacob is still a good "bro." He's still got a few problems unromanced, but that's okay, flaws are good. I just think he would have benefited from having some female Bioware staff read the script. I mean Bioware did, if I recall, survey the female staff to see if they thought that Thane looked attractive.

Also, I really don't think it has anything to do with racism. It's very easy to chalk the whole thing up to be just being prejudiced, but I don't buy that. Certainly, very little of the criticism or the jokes made about Jacob on this forum have to do with him being black.

Modifié par Collider, 27 juillet 2010 - 08:10 .

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

Just so you know... Jacob doesn't eat at big corporate places like McDonald's.  He eats at places owned by mom and pop joints.  That is from "McDowell's"... and those aren't the golden arches... they are the golden m's.

[NICKjnp]

Your royal penis is cleaned your highness.

[Epantiras]

Going back on the Jack topic...
I find this texture mod quite ironic...

Jack Cerberus loyal outfit

[NICKjnp]

You know... I just can't picture Jack wearing an outfit with the cerberus symbol on it.

[Goat_Shepard]

JakeMacDon wrote...
Personally, if there were no Jack in the game, I'd be pissy because I couldn't have a full-fledged romance with either Samara or Chakwas.  Actually, I am kinda pissy that I couldn't.  Chakwas is hotter ( I should explain that, not being 20 or even close, when I say "hot", I'm speaking of far more than just ****** 'n' trunkjunk) than Miranda just for her voice alone, and Samara is ... well, Samara.  Cold or no...

Dayum.  AILF all the way.

I'm going to regret killing her when I play my full renegade Shepard.

Agreed. You don't need to explain that classic british accent? Yowza.

I had hopes for Miranda, and they were pretty much sunk after her loyalty mission.  She kinda had me up until its conclusion.  Too bad.

Hmm...curious. I had a similar revelation, I wonder if it was the same thing.

Kelly is cute.  Cute in an "How-the-fvck-did-you-get-a-degree-in-anything-let-alone-psychology-you-frigging-houseplant?" kinda way.

Haha, that's going in Drathan's character description blog for sure

Epantiras wrote...
I've drawn a fan art about how and where TIM handpicked her, don't make me upload it here ;-)

I gotta see this. LINKME!

yorkj86 wrote...
thefriesnip

Laughing...so...hard.

Epantiras wrote...
Going back on the Jack topic...
I find this texture mod quite ironic...
Jack Cerberus loyal outfit

Ugh. It's just wrong.

yorkj86 wrote...
Is that Cerberus-mind-controlled Jack?

EDIT: 
It's weird.  Several of the characters not associated with Cerberus
have Cerberus logo patterns on their outfits.  Samara and Tali, for
example.

And Shepard, under ideal circumstances.

Those logos on the coffins if any squaddies die bothers me, as well. Not that I ever have to see any

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 27 juillet 2010 - 08:21 .