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[Gethforceone]

yorkj86 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Going back on the Jack topic...
I find this texture mod quite ironic...

Jack Cerberus loyal outfit

Is that Cerberus-mind-controlled Jack?

EDIT:  It's weird.  Several of the characters not associated with Cerberus have Cerberus logo patterns on their outfits.  Samara and Tali, for example.

Just imagine the conversation when giving Jack that outfit.

[Mondo47]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Epantiras wrote...
I find this texture mod quite ironic...

Someone teach her what irony actually is. Please. I've been banging my head on a wall for years shrieking "None of this sh*t is even remotely ironic! You're just moronic!"

As for the uniform... ah, I tend to stick everyone in their varients so we all look like an army of sorts, but with Jack... yeah, just keep that halter. Don't cover the storybook up.

[NICKjnp]

Mondo47 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Epantiras wrote...
I find this texture mod quite ironic...

Someone teach her what irony actually is. Please. I've been banging my head on a wall for years shrieking "None of this sh*t is even remotely ironic! You're just moronic!"

As for the uniform... ah, I tend to stick everyone in their varients so we all look like an army of sorts, but with Jack... yeah, just keep that halter. Don't cover the storybook up.

I wish she could have had a loyalty outfit that was similar to the blur trailer.

[StefanBW]

I was never a fan of Jack's loyalty outfit, that top that's she is wearing just looks like a repaint of her natural skin into black. However I noticed it has that digital camoflage pattern and that looks kinda cool . 8)

[Collider]

The thing (one of) that made Miranda less interesting for me was the inexplicable change in personality from Cerberus Station to the Normandy. On Cerberus Station, Miranda does not want to talk. She's cold and she's focused on the mission. She's a better character there, definitely.



On the Normandy, suddenly she wants to talk and is happy to tell you her life story. The lack of consistency threw me off and reminded me that I was playing a game with flawed writing.

[Collider]

I like Jack's biker outfit best - sans the shades, of course. Shame it appears that no one has managed to edit them out through modding.

[Gethforceone]

stefanbw wrote...

I was never a fan of Jack's loyalty outfit, that top that's she is wearing just looks like a repaint of her natural skin into black. However I noticed it has that digital camoflage pattern and that looks kinda cool . 8)

I like it, I think the black looks better on her.

[Collider]

Well for me, I always felt that Jack had better reasons for being swearing and whatnot. Miranda did not grow up in the ideal nuclear family but certainly whatever hardships she faced (so far as we know) pale in comparison to the torture that Jack went through, and the trials after she escaped.

[Gethforceone]

Collider wrote...

The thing (one of) that made Miranda less interesting for me was the inexplicable change in personality from Cerberus Station to the Normandy. On Cerberus Station, Miranda does not want to talk. She's cold and she's focused on the mission. She's a better character there, definitely.

On the Normandy, suddenly she wants to talk and is happy to tell you her life story. The lack of consistency threw me off and reminded me that I was playing a game with flawed writing.

I can kind of see that because you had a direct job to do at the moment, she even says that.
What I don't is why she quits cerberus at the end of the game, that just came out of nowhere.

[Collider]

I can kind of see that because you had a direct job to do at the moment, she even says that.

Yea, I heard of that theory, but the thing is the game itself does not tell you. For all we really know, Miranda may just be nicer on the Normandy because she likes being in an office.



She would have benefited from having a transition period, because ****y "I don't want to talk, GTFO" to "Sure, I'll tell you whatever you want " is extremely jarring otherwise. Even something simple as "I hadn't expected you would perform so well on Freedom's Progress. I apologize for doubting you Commander," would have sufficed. But we don't get anything.

What I don't is why she quits cerberus at the end of the game, that just came out of nowhere.

So Miranda doesn't come off as Cerberus lackey the entire game, I guess.

[Goat_Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

It's funny, I got a bad impression of Miranda whenever she was a smart ass on Cerberus Station, and it stuck with me. Jack's FUs & FOs didn't leave that same impression with me. Probably because Miranda gave the impression of being egotistical to me.

You didn't find Jack's FU & FOs to be egotistical?  I guess maybe Jack is more mellow about it, like she's not trying to be subtle or witty like Miranda, just telling you straight up "I'm tired of your face". Jack is like fire and Miranda is ice.

[Gethforceone]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

I guess maybe Jack is more mellow about it, like she's not trying to be subtle or witty like Miranda, just telling you straight up "I'm tired of your face".

Great now I wish she actually said that somewhere.

[Mondo47]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

I guess maybe Jack is more mellow about it, like she's not trying to be subtle or witty like Miranda, just telling you straight up "I'm tired of your face".

Then again, when Jack says that, she's saying something else too...

[Gethforceone]

Mondo47 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

I guess maybe Jack is more mellow about it, like she's not trying to be subtle or witty like Miranda, just telling you straight up "I'm tired of your face".

Then again, when Jack says that, she's saying something else too...

I don't follow...

[Mondo47]

When I was finishing off my Warren Shepard playthrough last night Jack said that line very late in the romance as response to Shep's textbook "I should go." - so by that point, she's deflecting; saying one thing, and meaning another, in this case, as soon as I got back from the Heretic station and spoke to her again -

[Collider]

Jack is like fire and Miranda is ice.

They are certainly character foils for each other. Though that would been better served if the Cerberus Station Miranda had not died.

[Goat_Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
No, I didn't see Jack's responses as egotistical.  I didn't take it that way.  That doesn't fit her character either.

Right, I gotcha now, egotism = arrogance, which Jack is not. So that's where the "she's just a b!tch" comes from, then, since obviously she has no reason to be angry.

However, egotism does fit the genetically perfect character profile.

You had me at "I'm never wrong"

Collider wrote...
They are certainly character foils for each other. Though that would been better served if the Cerberus Station
Miranda had not died.

I agree. Aside from the Normandy conversations, her "every day" dialogue was generally icey, though. Not like Cerberus Station Miranda, but still "I felt loik I needed a shower oftawoods, in addition to normull decontamination" har har.

Mondo47 wrote...

When I was finishing off my Warren Shepard playthrough last night Jack said that line very late in the romance as response to Shep's textbook "I should go." - so by that point, she's deflecting; saying one thing, and meaning another, in this case, as soon as I got back from the Heretic station and spoke to her again -

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

She says that even if you're late in the romance with her? lol wow, I can't wait to start this playthrough.

Oh, and what part is The Eye? When you give her the data?

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 27 juillet 2010 - 10:24 .

[Errationatus]

Epantiras wrote...

Guess it's her way to say "thank you" ;-)

Being a man, I can certainly understand being "thanked" in that manner and not complaining.  

However, I am not a typical man by any means and that sort of "gratitude" pisses me off.  IMO, it demeans her, and my efforts on her behalf.  I didn't do it for tail, I did it because I wanted to help her.  Just like that asari on IIlium to whom I return the locket.  I don't want your money, lady.  I brought it back out of the goodness of my heart! 

Sheesh fer sh!t's sake!

That is why Miri went *whistle-BANG!* for me.  Everything after just seemed phony as hell.

I've drawn a fan art about how and where TIM handpicked her, don't make me upload it here ;-)

There's nuff'n I can do to stop yew. 

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
Also, I really don't think it has anything to do with racism. It's very easy to chalk the whole thing up to be just being prejudiced, but I don't buy that. Certainly, very little of the criticism or the jokes made about Jacob on this forum have to do with him being black.

See, this is a problem with bringing up racism, because everyone is going to say they aren't racist and don't see racist comments being made. But with Jacob, racist comments have really happened on the forums. It's not a whole thread revelling in their racist comments, but it comes up one time in one thread, one time in another thread... And sometimes the joke is funny in its obvious racism and I'm not going to judge the poster's entire mindset on ethnicity based on the one joke. And then there's something to be said about how the power of racism is entirely dependent on how much you're willing to let it get to you.

If I continue with all the scenarios and movitations here, I'm eventually going to be dividing by zero.

It's my own personal experience, but many people simply aren't aware when they're taking ethnicity into account. I get comments about my own ethnicity from someone I find to be an perfectly intelligent individual, but their comment makes me doubletake and go "....what?" Most of the time I'm going to chalk it up to simple and benign ignorance.

But think about if they hadn't changed anything about how Jacob talks, but they made him look like Brad Pitt. Some of the comments made about Jacob are suddenly not going to apply anymore.