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[adriano_c]

royceclemens wrote...

Which of course reawakens the question of how old Jack really is, Mkrgross. Something tells me that Jack isn't the kind of person who's gonna do paltry year-long stretches inside. I doubt quite highly she can afford a good enough lawyer to get her six months for defacing a moon with a space station.

On the tattoo thread on Zero Tolerance, it's shown that there a tattoos of Jack wearing different hairstyles and headgear, and someone said that Jack might be a whole lot older than she looks.

And with the turn this discussion has taken, that idea might have some credence.

Interesting point.

I, for one, was always under the impression that she was in the 25-30 range, or thereabouts.

[revan11exile]

I know this sounds stupid but is it me or those Jack look a little like Morrigan from dragon age with a bold head?

[Mondo47]

royceclemens wrote...

But back on topic, I'd venture a guess that next to nothing happened on Purgatory as she was... You know... Frozen when we found her.

I took the being-on-ice thing as a not-so-subtle play on sending someone to the 'cooler'... Pergatory's version of solitary. If she keeps killing people, the Warden's pocket money is going to get docked a lot in the long-term. Jack's been in a few prisons, and while she can pull a space station to bits if she gets pissed off enough (after that display, Shep ought to just retire and give up ), I'd imagine all it'd take is someone cracking her over the head with something good and heavy to douse the biotic pyrotechnic demonstration... Legion went down after one lousy, floppy left hook from a Husk, damnit! No matter how awesome someone's cutscene abilities are, a bop on the noggin seems to work on everyone. I'd imagine they can gas areas into submission in a prison like that as well as the handy do-I-have-to-seperate-you forcefield bubbles... you're dead right - there's a lot of gaps in our info, but we are talking about a prison that makes the Oswald State Correctional Facility look like a nice place for a kids birthday party (though for some reason the idea of JK Simmons telling nippers stories in a supermax prison makes me chuckle)... it's not too much of a stretch to buy into the idea that the bathroom anecdote is as bad as it sounds.

We only have to look at and listen to Jack for everything to be as bad as it sounds.

[Mkrgross]

revan11exile wrote...

I know this sounds stupid but is it me or those Jack look a little like Morrigan from dragon age with a bold head?

Could it be the lips? Eyes are definiately different. I'll have to look at a side-by-side.

[Nastrod]

Mkrgross wrote...

Nastrod wrote...

revan11exile wrote...

Hello every one this is my first post on this page.It is good that a lot of you like Jack just as much i do because i gave up Liara for her.I think i chose well because if liara gets pissed that i cheated on her she is going to hit me with a biotic power,hell at least i will survive it with Jack on my side.(I hope)

Welcome to the board  we are glad to have you here. I have to say that would be a interesting fight Liara Vs Jack but I think Jack would win out.

Hehe I am stuck in the middle since I love Jack and Liara as characters. I have a save for both ready to go. For me it is a 3 way tie for Liara,Jack, and Samara so I guess I am just a sucker for a female biotic but at least Samara is not a LI.

Ha! I'm right there with you. My Femshep playthrough I played an adept, with Jack and Samara as my squad. Of course I played a renegade, and called it my Biotic B**** Squad.

LOL I do both things but at least I now do not feel as dorky giving names to my main squad mates. Ok the names may still be dorky though lol. With my femshep it is always female squad mates and if it is depending on the run if a mixed group then Femme Fatale but if pure biotic then Mystic Witches. If it is a all male crew then it gets even more corny and I call them the Battling Brothers.

One thing I like about ME2 is you can have a pure biotic crew but ME1 you had to have a tech to open stuff

Modifié par Nastrod, 08 mars 2010 - 09:55 .

[procki]

I think the only clue we ever really get about her age is that video-log we can find on Pragia. If I remeber correctly the researcher in it says that now that the project has failed they will piggyback onto the Alliance Ascension Project (which I think might be the whole Gillian Grayson storyline covered in the second book).
The timeline on the wiki says that the Ascension Project was established in 2176, as Mass Effect 2 plays in 2185 this only leaves a 9 year period between her escape from Pragia and your first meeting with her. You might add a few years here, because it is quite plausible that Cerberus already knew of the planned establishment of the Ascension Project and therefore planned in advance.
After that only her age at the time of her escape remains in question. I always had the impression that she was still rather young at the time, around 10 to 12 years old. That is because even though after als her bad experiences in the facility she could still be quite easily coerced into doing things by other people, like the pirates that found her and then sold her.

edit: Now that I have written this I'm not really sure that they really talked about the Ascension Project. If they did not please disregard all this

Modifié par procki, 08 mars 2010 - 09:50 .

[Mondo47]

Considering the mess she made of Pergatory (with most of its security busy or knocked out, admittedly), she might well have been transfered out of some facilities due to an inability to deal with her... passed on from prison to prison each time solitary, punishment detail or a plain old fashioned beatdown failed to make any impression. Pergatory just gave her nowhere to go if she did manage to get loose.

[The Uncanny]

procki wrote...
 
The timeline on the wiki says that the Ascension Project was established in 2176, as Mass Effect 2 plays in 2185 this only leaves a 9 year period between her escape from Pragia and your first meeting with her. You might add a few years here, because it is quite plausible that Cerberus already knew of the planned establishment of the Ascension Project and therefore planned in advance.

After that only her age at the time of her escape remains in question. I always had the impression that she was still rather young at the time, around 10 to 12 years old. That is because even though after als her bad experiences in the facility she could still be quite easily coerced into doing things by other people, like the pirates that found her and then sold her.

Yes, that sounds about right - I got the impression she was in her early twenties.

[Mkrgross]

Mondo47 wrote...

Considering the mess she made of Pergatory (with most of its security busy or knocked out, admittedly), she might well have been transfered out of some facilities due to an inability to deal with her... passed on from prison to prison each time solitary, punishment detail or a plain old fashioned beatdown failed to make any impression. Pergatory just gave her nowhere to go if she did manage to get loose.

Good point, and that would also explain the prisoners fears of her without ever seeing what she was capable of.

[Jackal904]

BobbyTheI wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Oddly enough, Mondo, I'm American and we don't use that word over here. I've just been watching Charlie Brooker on youtube.

But back on topic, I'd venture a guess that next to nothing happened on Purgatory as she was... You know... Frozen when we found her.

That was probably just to get her ready to be transported over to Shepard's ship.

Ya that's what I'm thinking. It makes the most sense.

royceclemens wrote...

Which of course reawakens the question of how old Jack really is, Mkrgross. Something tells me that Jack isn't the kind of person who's gonna do paltry year-long stretches inside. I doubt quite highly she can afford a good enough lawyer to get her six months for defacing a moon with a space station.

On the tattoo thread on Zero Tolerance, it's shown that there are tattoos of Jack wearing different hairstyles and headgear, and someone said that Jack might be a whole lot older than she looks.

And with the turn this discussion has taken, that idea might have some credence.

Well Miranda is 35 and Jack looks significantly younger than Miranda. I don't think those tattoos of faces on her arm imply anything about her age. That could have just been her apperance during important periods in her life, or it could even be other faces. She does say that some of her tattoos are for good kills. They could be the faces of people she has killed. But Ive always assumed Jack is 25 at the oldest. I believe Shepard is like 29-30 during the events of ME2, and the default Shepard looks quite a bit older than Jack.

procki wrote...

I think the only clue we ever really get about her age is that video-log we can find on Pragia. If I remeber correctly the researcher in it says that now that the project has failed they will piggyback onto the Alliance Ascension Project (which I think might be the whole Gillian Grayson storyline covered in the second book).
The timeline on the wiki says that the Ascension Project was established in 2176, as Mass Effect 2 plays in 2185 this only leaves a 9 year period between her escape from Pragia and your first meeting with her. You might add a few years here, because it is quite plausible that Cerberus already knew of the planned establishment of the Ascension Project and therefore planned in advance.
After that only her age at the time of her escape remains in question. I always had the impression that she was still rather young at the time, around 10 to 12 years old. That is because even though after als her bad experiences in the facility she could still be quite easily coerced into doing things by other people, like the pirates that found her and then sold her.

edit: Now that I have written this I'm not really sure that they really talked about the Ascension Project. If they did not please disregard all this

They did indeed talk about piggybacking onto the Ascension Program. And assuming that Jack's escape happened at the same time the Ascension Program was established, than that does leave 9 years max from then and the time you meet her. And she said she escaped as a kid, not a teenager (teenager >= 13 years old), so the oldest she could be is 12. I know a teenager can still be considered a kid, but I think it's a reasonable assumption to say that she was at most 12 years old when she escaped the Teltin Facility. So the oldest she could be when you meet her is 21.

revan11exile wrote...

Hello every one this is my first post on this page.It is good that a lot of you like Jack just as much i do because i gave up Liara for her.I think i chose well because if liara gets pissed that i cheated on her she is going to hit me with a biotic power,hell at least i will survive it with Jack on my side.(I hope)

Welcome! And Jack would kick Liara's ass .

[Mondo47]

Warden Kuril holds an impromptu meeting for the staff at the Pergatory Correctional Facility...

Kuril: Right gentlemen, everyone pay attention... we are receiving a most illustrious guest later today. I want everyone to be prepared. Consider this a level 4 security warning - I'll not be responsible if you get sloppy and end up in the infirmary in Dr Stross's incapable hands. Are we clear?

(All): Aye, Sir!

Kuril: Good. We're taking responsibility as of 17:00 hours station-time for a human biotic. Female...

(several of the guards chuckle evilly)

Kuril: *ahem* Female, goes by the name of "Jack". Has quite the laundry list of crimes under her belt... piracy, theft, reckless endangerment, kidnapping, arson, carriage and supply of illegal weapons, substances, technology and live cargo, extortion, willful theft and/ or destruction of military property, public property and private property, armed robbery, assault, assault with a deadly weapon, assault with biotic-augmentation, over two-hundred and forty counts of permeditated murder...

Guard 1: Erm... you're kidding, right Sir?

Kuril: Do I ever "kid"?

Guard 2: Why are we getting her, Sir?

Kuril: Simple. This is just a transfer from the Nasoc Supermax Prison, no more no less...

Guard 2: Nasoc? Didn't that burn to the ground during a riot?

Kuril: Indeed. Jack was transfered there two months prior to the fire from the 6th Circle Facility on Yarren 3...

Guard 1: My brother in law worked there... it blew up...

Kuril: Yes, that is the official results of the report on 6th Circle's reason for closure...

Guard 1: "Closure?!?!"

Kuril: Please don't air-quote me... it is extremely rude.

Guard 3: Did Jack transfer there too, Sir?

Kuril: Let me see... ah, yes, she transfered there from the Barret Island Penal Colony...

Guard 3: Did that one explode too?

Kuril: Nononono... I assure you Barret Island is still functioning... ah, Jack escaped from there five times, and killed... one two three four... my word... seventeen guards during her stay.

Guard 1: How long was she there for, Sir?

Kuril: Erm... twenty-nine days.

Guard 2: (whispering) Guys, we are totally ****ed...

(brief silence)

(All): Sir, I have some holidays owed! I think I'm coming down with a cold! I think I might be pregnant!

Modifié par Mondo47, 08 mars 2010 - 10:30 .

[gneissguy2003]

procki wrote...

I think the only clue we ever really get about her age is that video-log we can find on Pragia. If I remeber correctly the researcher in it says that now that the project has failed they will piggyback onto the Alliance Ascension Project (which I think might be the whole Gillian Grayson storyline covered in the second book).
The timeline on the wiki says that the Ascension Project was established in 2176, as Mass Effect 2 plays in 2185 this only leaves a 9 year period between her escape from Pragia and your first meeting with her. You might add a few years here, because it is quite plausible that Cerberus already knew of the planned establishment of the Ascension Project and therefore planned in advance.
After that only her age at the time of her escape remains in question. I always had the impression that she was still rather young at the time, around 10 to 12 years old. That is because even though after als her bad experiences in the facility she could still be quite easily coerced into doing things by other people, like the pirates that found her and then sold her.

edit: Now that I have written this I'm not really sure that they really talked about the Ascension Project. If they did not please disregard all this

As long as the timeline is correct, I think your estimate on her age is probably close to correct. I don't know why, but I always got the impression that Jack was perhaps 13-15 years old when she escaped Pragia, which would put her in the 22-24 year old range when you get her out of prison.

I'm kind of curious as to the exact situation that brought Jack to Purgatory. Obviously she isn't the type of person to get caught easily if she has a chance to fight back, and she has done quite a few questionable and dangerous things in her (what is seeming more and more) short life between escaping Pragia and meeting Shepard. What happened that got her caught? Was she on another one of her dangerous, self-destructive joy rides, or did some bounty hunter just get lucky enough to catch her with her guard down and knock her out? Could be an interesting story.

And thinking back on her age, or at least her hypothesized age, how does that affect the hypothesis that some people have on her and Miranda being sisters? Now I, personally, don't necessarily believe it's true and kind of hope it's not the case, but if it is then what kind of implications does that have? Miranda is in her early 30's or late 20's, I believe, so this would mean that Jack is almost definitely younger than Miranda. It would also mean that their age difference is only 10 years at the most. I guess the first question it raises for me is that, if they are "sisters", did Jack come along before or after Miranda left her father? Was Jack perhaps the impetus for Miranda to leave (Miranda discovers what her father has done and how she came to be and decides he's evil)? It opens some interesting doors, but obviously it would all be speculation with no true base in anything we currently know about either character.

[gneissguy2003]

Mondo47 wrote...

Warden Kuril holds an impromptu meeting for the staff at the Pergatory Correctional Facility...

Kuril: Right gentlemen, everyone pay attention... we are receiving a most illustrious guest later today. I want everyone to be prepared. Consider this a level 4 security warning - I'll not be responsible if you get sloppy and end up in the infirmary in Dr Stross's incapable hands. Are we clear?

(All): Aye, Sir!

Kuril: Good. We're taking responsibility as of 17:00 hours station-time for a human biotic. Female...

(several of the guards chuckle evilly)

Kuril: *ahem* Female, goes by the name of "Jack". Has quite the laundry list of crimes under her belt... piracy, theft, reckless endangerment, kidnapping, arson, carriage and supply of illegal weapons, substances, technology and live cargo, extortion, willful theft and/ or destruction of military property, public property and private property, armed robbery, assault, assault with a deadly weapon, assault with biotic-augmentation, over two-hundred and forty counts of permeditated murder...

Guard 1: Erm... you're kidding, right Sir?

Kuril: Do I ever "kid"?

Guard 2: Why are we getting her, Sir?

Kuril: Simple. This is just a transfer from the Nasoc Supermax Prison, no more no less...

Guard 2: Nasoc? Didn't that burn to the ground during a riot?

Kuril: Indeed. Jack was transfered there two months prior to the fire from the 6th Circle Facility on Yarren 3...

Guard 1: My brother in law worked there... it blew up...

Kuril: Yes, that is the official results of the report on 6th Circle's reason for closure...

Guard 1: "Closure?!?!"

Kuril: Please don't air-quote me... it is extremely rude.

Guard 3: Did Jack transfer there too, Sir?

Kuril: Let me see... ah, yes, she transfered there from the Barret Island Penal Colony...

Guard 3: Did that one explode too?

Kuril: Nononono... I assure you Barret Island is still functioning... ah, Jack escaped from there five times, and killed... one two three four... my word... seventeen guards during her stay.

Guard 1: How long was she there for, Sir?

Kuril: Erm... twenty-nine days.

Guard 2: (whispering) Guys, we are totally ****ed...

(brief silence)

(All): Sir, I have some holidays owed! I think I'm coming down with a cold! I think I might be pregnant!

Hahaha! I can totally see that conversation happening. Nice work.

[BobbyTheI]

Nice. Caging Jack can be hazardous to your health.

You know, thinking about this and about Jack's past, it made me wonder: how much do you think TIM knew about Jack's past when he "bought" her for the mission?  On the one hand, he and Miranda claim to have no knowledge of what the facility was up to, and it might have been just a coincidence that the psychotic inmate they picked for the mission had a history with them.  

On the other, it's entirely possible that, even if he didn't have a hand in what the facility did personally, he might have known about her origins and what she wanted to do to Cerberus, and thought that sending her off on a suicide mission with Shepard and his crew would be a good way to get rid of her.  Or, if you want to be more generous, a good way for her to see that Cerberus isn't that bad and get her to forget her vendetta. 

[revan11exile]

Hey guys i was wondering just how old is Jack?

[Ilzairspar]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

procki wrote...

I think the only clue we ever really get about her age is that video-log we can find on Pragia. If I remeber correctly the researcher in it says that now that the project has failed they will piggyback onto the Alliance Ascension Project (which I think might be the whole Gillian Grayson storyline covered in the second book).
The timeline on the wiki says that the Ascension Project was established in 2176, as Mass Effect 2 plays in 2185 this only leaves a 9 year period between her escape from Pragia and your first meeting with her. You might add a few years here, because it is quite plausible that Cerberus already knew of the planned establishment of the Ascension Project and therefore planned in advance.
After that only her age at the time of her escape remains in question. I always had the impression that she was still rather young at the time, around 10 to 12 years old. That is because even though after als her bad experiences in the facility she could still be quite easily coerced into doing things by other people, like the pirates that found her and then sold her.

edit: Now that I have written this I'm not really sure that they really talked about the Ascension Project. If they did not please disregard all this

As long as the timeline is correct, I think your estimate on her age is probably close to correct. I don't know why, but I always got the impression that Jack was perhaps 13-15 years old when she escaped Pragia, which would put her in the 22-24 year old range when you get her out of prison.

I'm kind of curious as to the exact situation that brought Jack to Purgatory. Obviously she isn't the type of person to get caught easily if she has a chance to fight back, and she has done quite a few questionable and dangerous things in her (what is seeming more and more) short life between escaping Pragia and meeting Shepard. What happened that got her caught? Was she on another one of her dangerous, self-destructive joy rides, or did some bounty hunter just get lucky enough to catch her with her guard down and knock her out? Could be an interesting story.

And thinking back on her age, or at least her hypothesized age, how does that affect the hypothesis that some people have on her and Miranda being sisters? Now I, personally, don't necessarily believe it's true and kind of hope it's not the case, but if it is then what kind of implications does that have? Miranda is in her early 30's or late 20's, I believe, so this would mean that Jack is almost definitely younger than Miranda. It would also mean that their age difference is only 10 years at the most. I guess the first question it raises for me is that, if they are "sisters", did Jack come along before or after Miranda left her father? Was Jack perhaps the impetus for Miranda to leave (Miranda discovers what her father has done and how she came to be and decides he's evil)? It opens some interesting doors, but obviously it would all be speculation with no true base in anything we currently know about either character.

Here is my hypothisis if she and Jack have the same (glassmother) and creator (not biological father).  I would think that Mr. Lawson probably bragged a bit to TIM on how 'perfect' a leader his little girl was created to be.  Would be suprised if TIM put in a requesition a child that did not have to be perfect but to max out the genetic data needed to create the most powerful human biotic without killing her.

After all, Miranda is considered perfect because she has the looks, strength, brains, biotics, etc, but her biotics are less than Jacks.  Perhaps this is so because to increase it would have caused a bit of lacking on another aspect.  Or perhaps to make her stronger was not guarenteed stable.  The aspect about physical strength and looks didnt' matter as much (though I think she did get them as a happy side effect). 

Just a thought.  After all, Miranda was to be the perfect 'leader' while Jack is the Perfect human Biotic/Weapon.

[royceclemens]

I think TIM knew a lot about Jack and kept tabs on her, Bobby. TIM strikes me as a kind of guy who has a game plan for anything he wants done.

Look at it this way: Letting Jack go resulted in her blowing up the Teltin facility. Now is that personal catharsis or TIM's roundabout way of getting rid of evidence?

Modifié par royceclemens, 08 mars 2010 - 10:48 .

[Ilzairspar]

royceclemens wrote...


Look at it this way: Letting Jack go resulted in her blowing up the Teltin facility. Now is that personal catharsis or TIM's roundabout way of getting rid of evidence?

Can't both be true?

[Idoya]

Just wanted to stop by and share some of the Jack love - I really like her. She's beautiful, strong, fairly crazy... what's not to enjoy? I think her attitude is fun and a nice break from the rest of the female crew's... well, they're sort of stolid really. My fave female member would probably be Samara but she is definitely "together" all the time so it was nice having someone to just pal around with and make cracks over Shep's lame jokes, lol. I like that Jack wasn't so burned after her childhood that she couldn't show a more balanced side as well though, gave her more character.

[gneissguy2003]

royceclemens wrote...

I think TIM knew a lot about Jack and kept tabs on her, Bobby. TIM strikes me as a kind of guy who has a game plan for anything he wants done.

Look at it this way: Letting Jack go resulted in her blowing up the Teltin facility. Now is that personal catharsis or TIM's roundabout way of getting rid of evidence?

I think you're right that TIM definitely thinks things out rather thoroughly when he wants something accomplished. At the same time, though, he obviously has a full plate of things to deal with (from EDI's conversation about too many projects being a strain on his ability to multi-task) and can't account for everything. I think we come away with this idea of TIM being some all-knowing "big brother" kind of character only because he has an amazing amount of interest and a lot invested in Shepard's mission. At the same time, though, he relies completely upon people like Miranda and EDI to constantly feed information to him so that he knows what's going on at any given moment. 

Basically, that's the long-winded way of me saying that I believe the destruction of the Teltin facility was an unexpected boon for TIM. The place was left untouched for almost a decade from what we can figure. If TIM had truly wanted the place destroyed to cover any of Cerberus' tracks he could have done it long ago instead of waiting for the off chance that Jack (or someone else) wanted to go back and blow the place up. Besides, from what Jack tells us about the vegetation on Pragia and how fast it grows, along with the state of the place when you go there with her, Teltin is already well on it's way to being torn apart with nothing left to salvage. Give it another 10-20 years, and I'm sure most if not all of the remnants of data that point towards what the facility was designed for would have been either destroyed or degraded so that they'd be unrecoverable.

[Epantiras]

BobbyTheI wrote...
On the other, it's entirely possible that, even if he didn't have a hand in what the facility did personally, he might have known about her origins and what she wanted to do to Cerberus, and thought that sending her off on a suicide mission with Shepard and his crew would be a good way to get rid of her.  

Interesting! Knowing TIM, I can imagine him doing that.

[Jackal904]

Ilzairspar wrote...

Here is my hypothisis if she and Jack have the same (glassmother) and creator (not biological father).  I would think that Mr. Lawson probably bragged a bit to TIM on how 'perfect' a leader his little girl was created to be.  Would be suprised if TIM put in a requesition a child that did not have to be perfect but to max out the genetic data needed to create the most powerful human biotic without killing her.

Ya this is exactly what I've been saying. If this whole Miranda and Jack are sisters thing were to be true, I think this would be the most logically story.

gneissguy2003 wrote...

Miranda is in her early 30's or late 20's, I believe,

Miranda is 35. It says so on the Mass Effect website.

[Mondo47]

BobbyTheI wrote...

You know, thinking about this and about Jack's past, it made me wonder: how much do you think TIM knew about Jack's past when he "bought" her for the mission?  On the one hand, he and Miranda claim to have no knowledge of what the facility was up to, and it might have been just a coincidence that the psychotic inmate they picked for the mission had a history with them.  

On the other, it's entirely possible that, even if he didn't have a hand in what the facility did personally, he might have known about her origins and what she wanted to do to Cerberus, and thought that sending her off on a suicide mission with Shepard and his crew would be a good way to get rid of her.  Or, if you want to be more generous, a good way for her to see that Cerberus isn't that bad and get her to forget her vendetta. 

It's pretty believable for TIM... I mean, his version of the truth is somewhat liberal. On the other hand, prisoners are traditionally expendable...

[OneBadAssMother]

Hell, I thought I was alone here. Jack's awesome... but then again, I tend to like psycho b---hes. You folks have my vote.

[Ferocious7]

MerchantGOL wrote...

LazurusTest Subject wrote...

She had a repulsive attitude and appearance.

her attiude was fine and  her face was  prettier then Mirandas and you know it

Jack is awesome

Agreed.  Subject Zero owns.  I thought her romance scene was probably the deepest by a long shot, the build up to it and the actual scene.  It seemed believable.  Not to mention, squad warp ammo ftw.

I like all of the characters from ME1 and ME2, so no complaints, but Subject Zero better stick around she kicks ass and has one of the prettiest faces I've seen in a video game.