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Into the Bad Girl: Jack Fans
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:43
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You know, Hannibal's mask looks awfully familiar..
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:46
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Man, I hate the way that thing wraps around her head.Goat_Shepard wrote...
You know, Hannibal's mask looks awfully familiar..
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Strange.
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Jackal904 wrote...
Well, if Toombs were to attempt to kill Shepard on sight, then I think Jack would kill him without hesitation. But if she knew his story though, she might try to reconcile with him by telling him her story, and how she's been able to deal with it.
I'd be more interested in seeing someone from Jack's past appear randomly. Like some pirate or criminal that Jack used to run with, someone she doesn't like and doesn't want to be associated with anymore. Or maybe someone that was done wrong by Jack, or by someone Jack hung out with at the time. Like some young girl recognizing Jack as the person who kidnapped her and others when she stole that passenger ship. I'd kill for a confrontation like that because it would just be so interesting to see play out.
Or one of the hanars who bestowed the "vandalism" crime on her. Lol
But seriously, it works either way, for me. Be it Toombs, Major Kyle, Talitha, Hannah, Zabaleta, Finch, Haliat (Brought back from the dead, or some sh*t), Murtock, a survivor from the cult, Aresh, Kuril (Ressurected), Bimmy, Billy, that guy who asked Shep to buy him, etc., anyone who comes could provide a richer story for the romance between the two, depending on how they meet.
For example: Jack takes a break from the Norm and grabs a drink, somewhere. Ends up running into Toombs, unaware of who he is, or what he is, to Shepard. Out of some spontaneous event, the two end up talking. Toombs ends up bringing what happened to him at Akuze, and doesn't mention Shepard specifically, but implies that that's who he's referring to, when he states Shep betrayed him. From then on in, Jack's got two options; kill him, or leave him be. I believe she'd make the choice, depending on how deep the conversation was, and how much of a threat she thinks Toombs poses to Shepard. Considering the reapers...Eh. But you never know. At least, until you read it, somewhere.
Another example: Talitha...Jack'd be like the big sister of that relationship, if it ever came to be. She's into Shepard; once he tells her about Mindoir, she's either going to think he made the sh*t up, or that, despite how convienient it is, Shepard's being Shepard, and not a shrink. That, in turn, would probably make her feel for him more than she already does (which is why I'm glad I imported James into ME2, to begin with), and believe that, despite the difference in damage, she's not alone. She's already intimate with Shepard, and Talitha's mind hasn't really developed much past her preteen years, so yeah. Even though now, it seems more like Talitha's their adopted daughter, or something. Eh.
Third -- and final -- example: Billy. The guy sent him -- a message saying that he was going to kill him. And that he was going to carve his name onto whatever victim he came across. Mind games. Seeing as we don't really know much about the guy beyond the message, we could just brainstorm what could happen, from there. But you get where I'm going. Hopefully.
Bottom line, whoever they sent could make the story of Shepard and Jack a wee bit better, if not a whole lot. I'm leaning towards bringing Shepard's backstory into it, though, seeing as Jack's was already done. Like a pattern; Shepard in ME1, Jack in ME 2. If they do decide on making that Romance DLC, then I'd favor having Shepard's backstory affect it a little, if at all. Because I KNOW they're going to extend Jack's.
yorkj86 wrote...
There's a person in another thread whose justification for wanting to get Jack killed is that she doesn't like her. She then goes on to call Jack a psychopath. Ironyyyyy!
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People need to think about what they're going to say, before they say it. Or type it. Gal just contradicted herself, I believe.
Edit: I type...UBER slow.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:52
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Gethforceone wrote...
Man, I hate the way that thing wraps arouynd her head.
Strange.
It's uncanny how it looks like Hannibal's, and does look a tad restrictive, but what would you prefer? A helmet? A helmet that covers her eyes? You're mad.
@Sundown
Billy is definitely a side character that caught my attention. He belongs in FF or ME3 or both. It was just...too ominous.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:52
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Sundown Native wrote...
Another example: Talitha
Who is Talitha?
Goat_Shepard wrote...
You know, Hannibal's mask looks awfully familiar..
Not psycho
Ha yeah, that does look kind of similar doesn't it.
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Jackal904 wrote...
Sundown Native wrote...
Another example: Talitha
Who is Talitha?
A girl Shepard encounters, on the Citadel, if he's got the Colonist background.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:58
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Yeah, I hope you get to take him down in ME3Goat_Shepard wrote...
Gethforceone wrote...
Man, I hate the way that thing wraps arouynd her head.
Strange.
It's uncanny how it looks like Hannibal's, and does look a tad restrictive, but what would you prefer? A helmet? A helmet that covers her eyes? You're mad.
@Sundown
Billy is definitely a side character that caught my attention. He belongs in FF or ME3 or both. It was just...too ominous.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:59
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Jackal904 wrote...
Who is Talitha?
Talitha.
...And I'd say that Jack is more a sociopath than a psychopath.
Sociopath: a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behaviour
Psychopath: a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour
It's not a colossally huge distinction, but it is regarding how she acts and reacts.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 06:03
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Sundown Native wrote...
Jackal904 wrote...
Who is Talitha?
A girl Shepard encounters, on the Citadel, if he's got the Colonist background.
It's the #2 reason I go with Colonist. That VA was amazing, and it brought me closer to Shepard, a lot more than Finch did for me.
Jackal904 wrote...
Ha yeah, that does look kind of similar doesn't it. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png
Never, never!
I just heard Courtenay say "I'm going to eat your liver with fava beans and a chianti" in my head...and I'm sorta turned on.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 06:07
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Goat_Shepard wrote...
Billy is definitely a side character that caught my attention. He belongs in FF or ME3 or both. It was just...too ominous.
He ever goes in FF, the author's pretty much got free reign; like Shepard. All we know? He's a little on the crazy side, kills people, and carves his name into them. Now, he's carving Shepard's name into them.
Other than that, it's a blank slate. Might be a little dissapointing if he doesn't turn out the way they -- the authors of the FF's -- made him to be, in ME 3 -- or ME 2 if they try it -- but, in retrospect, I don't really see them being that far off from Billy; take a guy, have him psychotic, kill, and carve, and you've got Billy. How crazy you want 'em to be, or how many kills he's made before getting up to Shepard's up for the creative mind to decide.
That's just me, though.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 06:45
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Unless Billy hunts Shepard down, I doubt we'll run into him. But if you did run into him that would be an interesting confrontation. If you bring Jack with you I bet he'd sh*t a brick and stay far away. Or maybe Jack could recognize him and kick his ass.
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Goat_Shepard wrote...
I didn't quite grasp the magnitude of Teltin before, and I still thought she was way too calm.
She does handle it pretty well. I'd expect her to start hyperventilating upon arrival, and go into violent flashbacks while walking through the facility, especially when you enter the room with the operating chairs where they did really terrible things.
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If Shepard is around if Jack ever encounters Billy, it'd be an interesting glimpse in to her character, specifically in how she's been affected by Shepard, to see what she'd do with him.
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yorkj86 wrote...
If Shepard is around if Jack ever encounters Billy, it'd be an interesting glimpse in to her character, specifically in how she's been affected by Shepard, to see what she'd do with him.
I'm gonna be honest; affected or not, I don't think Billy's surviving the encounter.
If he really is that crazy, and if he ever actually comes into conflict with both Shepard and Jack, with THAT mindset? Death's going to come to him. Shep won't die, because Shep is you, in-game wise, and FF-wise (I mean, unless you WANT that to happen). And Jack won't die, because:
A) We'd all f*cking riot, if it happened in-game, and we couldn't stop it.
Jack is half -- if not all -- of what the FF is about. Losing her would halve -- or even completely destroy -- the story, altogether. My opinion.If Bill's psychotic, his downfall is going to be because of the fact that he's psychotic. I don't think being beaten to the point where most would surrender would stop him from trying to kill Shepard. OR Jack.
Long story short; if Jack dosen't kill him, Shepard will. And if Shepard doesn't kill him, Jack will. Most likely would be a case of self defense, if either one decides to let him live, but the result'd still be the same.
Unless, of course, he's scared of Jack's reputation. In that scenario, Jackal got it down pat.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 11:47
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Ah, the ol' "Psychopath" label again, eh?
The more people like to regurgitate that from the advertising, the more I think it was a very deliberate and actually quite clever move on the part of BioWare. Think about the FFTL trail for a minute; we get to sit and talk to Jack for a minute and she tells us why she's tagging along with ol' Shep on his doomed quest. She tells us in no uncertain terms that she's got no interest in causes and reasons, she just wants to kill things because she's sooooo f*cking good at it, rah rah rah. Now, consider this as Jack talking to us; she doesn't know us from Adam, she doesn't trust us, so she puts on her game face and tries to make us think she's the biggest, baddest animal in the cage - I'm Jack, don't f*ck with me or you end up dead, you p*ssy. We get a conception of Jack that Jack wants us to have. We get the same Jack that wasn't about to be rescued by some guy in a Cerberus frigate.
Then in the other trailer, we get more of the same mixed with a spike of casual sex - so not only is this girl a violence-loving lunatic, she's hot to trot without you getting all hearts and flowers with her. Bonus! Ok, she's a lunatic, but she puts out! Since when has that put guys off? F*ck, you could sleep with a rusty chainsaw you call Babydoll and have filed all your teeth to points, and some guys wouldn't give a damn if they were getting some.
Add to this a constant undertow of how "hardcore" Jack is, and we end up with a preconception that this woman is an unbalanced recidivist with a taste for killing anyone, anytime, anyplace. You might even get a wildcat sport-f*ck out of her too. She's good at killing, that's why she's there. She could be some convict soldier, some penal-corps trooper in any one of a thousand brain-dead, now-with-no-added-story, flailing in a sea of retarded juvenile masculine imagery FPS games oh-so-loved by, well, let's be honest for a minute here, juvenile males still harking back to their days playing soldier in the backyard... *cough* GearsOfWar *cough*
And then we play the game and get the truth... Jack is a wounded dove, forced to be an eagle because it's the only way she's survived so long, but secretly still wanting to be the dove she was born as all over again. You pick her up and care for her, and the facade melts to show us the truth. The Wizard was actually just a little man, and while Jack is certainly a force of destruction not to be trifled with, she has a heart, a soul, a conscience and feelings. You use her for sex, she knows exactly what kind of person you are - f*ck off. You toy with her feelings, f*ck off. You lie to her or abuse her trust, f*ck off. All you will see is the mask, not the woman behind it. Or you discover she has, like, feelings! Shock horror! I thought she was just gonna ride the Cole Train with me! What a p*ssy - she has a heart under it all!
Tuchanka might kill the weak, torment the slow and destroy the stupid, but so does Jack; BioWare build up one set of expectations, and then, if you're curious enough, you descover another underneath. You are made to think that all you're getting is a disposable, muderous madwoman with a penchant for strings free sex, and you discover by turns that all she does is give you abuse if you keep thinking that way. Or you are made to think that she is some impervious mountain of unfeeling iron-hard femininity, and you perhaps feel disappointed to discover that love makes her crumble (oh, the shame that heaps on those that think women can only be strong if they are always unmoved... tell that to any mother and prepare to be laughed to f*cking scorn). Either way, BioWare sets us up to be played with Jack, and the advertising really does help. We see it as kinda stupid because, well, we went on Jack's little journey and found out the truth - which is I think what BioWare wanted all along... fake us out, hook us into her. Does any other character have that kind of depth? Erm... no. The cheerleader stays the cheerleader, Tali is just Tali, Garrus has his problems, Thane is the standard spiritual murder-machine... with them, we get exactly what's on the tin, we have them pegged from moment one. Those with advertising have this theme bolstered; you watch Thane's FFTL trailer, and you already know he's not a regular assassin - he's thoughtful, articulate, spiritual, and has a touch of sadness. You get what you paid for. Not with Jack, and that has to be deliberate.
So, we can all pat ourselves on the back for being good little boys and girls and taking the path that BioWare wanted us to take. The dummies all drove straight around the bend because of that detour sign in the middle of the road, but we saw it for what it was (or just thought hey, why the f*ck not, and drove through it just like Jack would ). I've said it before, I'll say it again; you must be this tall to ride Jack. If you still think she's a psychopath, or just a grade-a b*tch, well, come back in a few years kid... you might be tall enough then.
The more people like to regurgitate that from the advertising, the more I think it was a very deliberate and actually quite clever move on the part of BioWare. Think about the FFTL trail for a minute; we get to sit and talk to Jack for a minute and she tells us why she's tagging along with ol' Shep on his doomed quest. She tells us in no uncertain terms that she's got no interest in causes and reasons, she just wants to kill things because she's sooooo f*cking good at it, rah rah rah. Now, consider this as Jack talking to us; she doesn't know us from Adam, she doesn't trust us, so she puts on her game face and tries to make us think she's the biggest, baddest animal in the cage - I'm Jack, don't f*ck with me or you end up dead, you p*ssy. We get a conception of Jack that Jack wants us to have. We get the same Jack that wasn't about to be rescued by some guy in a Cerberus frigate.
Then in the other trailer, we get more of the same mixed with a spike of casual sex - so not only is this girl a violence-loving lunatic, she's hot to trot without you getting all hearts and flowers with her. Bonus! Ok, she's a lunatic, but she puts out! Since when has that put guys off? F*ck, you could sleep with a rusty chainsaw you call Babydoll and have filed all your teeth to points, and some guys wouldn't give a damn if they were getting some.
Add to this a constant undertow of how "hardcore" Jack is, and we end up with a preconception that this woman is an unbalanced recidivist with a taste for killing anyone, anytime, anyplace. You might even get a wildcat sport-f*ck out of her too. She's good at killing, that's why she's there. She could be some convict soldier, some penal-corps trooper in any one of a thousand brain-dead, now-with-no-added-story, flailing in a sea of retarded juvenile masculine imagery FPS games oh-so-loved by, well, let's be honest for a minute here, juvenile males still harking back to their days playing soldier in the backyard... *cough* GearsOfWar *cough*
And then we play the game and get the truth... Jack is a wounded dove, forced to be an eagle because it's the only way she's survived so long, but secretly still wanting to be the dove she was born as all over again. You pick her up and care for her, and the facade melts to show us the truth. The Wizard was actually just a little man, and while Jack is certainly a force of destruction not to be trifled with, she has a heart, a soul, a conscience and feelings. You use her for sex, she knows exactly what kind of person you are - f*ck off. You toy with her feelings, f*ck off. You lie to her or abuse her trust, f*ck off. All you will see is the mask, not the woman behind it. Or you discover she has, like, feelings! Shock horror! I thought she was just gonna ride the Cole Train with me! What a p*ssy - she has a heart under it all!
Tuchanka might kill the weak, torment the slow and destroy the stupid, but so does Jack; BioWare build up one set of expectations, and then, if you're curious enough, you descover another underneath. You are made to think that all you're getting is a disposable, muderous madwoman with a penchant for strings free sex, and you discover by turns that all she does is give you abuse if you keep thinking that way. Or you are made to think that she is some impervious mountain of unfeeling iron-hard femininity, and you perhaps feel disappointed to discover that love makes her crumble (oh, the shame that heaps on those that think women can only be strong if they are always unmoved... tell that to any mother and prepare to be laughed to f*cking scorn). Either way, BioWare sets us up to be played with Jack, and the advertising really does help. We see it as kinda stupid because, well, we went on Jack's little journey and found out the truth - which is I think what BioWare wanted all along... fake us out, hook us into her. Does any other character have that kind of depth? Erm... no. The cheerleader stays the cheerleader, Tali is just Tali, Garrus has his problems, Thane is the standard spiritual murder-machine... with them, we get exactly what's on the tin, we have them pegged from moment one. Those with advertising have this theme bolstered; you watch Thane's FFTL trailer, and you already know he's not a regular assassin - he's thoughtful, articulate, spiritual, and has a touch of sadness. You get what you paid for. Not with Jack, and that has to be deliberate.
So, we can all pat ourselves on the back for being good little boys and girls and taking the path that BioWare wanted us to take. The dummies all drove straight around the bend because of that detour sign in the middle of the road, but we saw it for what it was (or just thought hey, why the f*ck not, and drove through it just like Jack would
). I've said it before, I'll say it again; you must be this tall to ride Jack. If you still think she's a psychopath, or just a grade-a b*tch, well, come back in a few years kid... you might be tall enough then.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 12:29
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Ehm, here's some shameless self promotion...
my latest Mass Effect 2 parody comic
(click on the thumbnail)
my latest Mass Effect 2 parody comic
(click on the thumbnail)
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 12:35
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Epantiras wrote...
Ehm, here's some shameless self promotion...
my latest Mass Effect 2 parody comic
(click on the thumbnail)
Hah!
Poor ol' Shep - she's not a quitter, is she?
Your self-promotion is never something to consider shameful, Big E - you should just abuse our ears and eyes just as often as you like
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 12:43
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LiquidGrape wrote...
[Don't mind me, just looking for attention.]
Anywho; any devoted modder out there who managed to remove the shades on Jack's DLC outfit yet?
As far as I know, the guy who was working on the project either gave up or disappeared into a singularity.
BTW I remember somebody managed to mod Shepard into having Jack's HEAD only, or is my memory failing on me? Could it be possible to mod Jack w/ visor model into having the Jack w/out visor head? I have no idea of how it works, so I'm just doing wild speculations.
EDIT: aww you deleted your Jack fan art :-( this makes me sad
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 12:48
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Epantiras: You win the internet. Your comics are the reason I always chuckle to myself whenever I talk to Jack in-game...and pretend that femShep is doing the same ;P
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 12:53
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Epantiras wrote...
EDIT: aww you deleted your Jack fan art :-( this makes me sad
Makes me sad too - I like Grapey's pics
I remember the days of dislocated hips...
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 12:59
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Epantiras wrote...
BTW I remember somebody managed to mod Shepard into having Jack's HEAD only, or is my memory failing on me? Could it be possible to mod Jack w/ visor model into having the Jack w/out visor head? I have no idea of how it works, so I'm just doing wild speculations.
I know you can mod Shepard into having Jack's head sans visor along with the appropriate costume/body, not so sure about mixing and matching the squad members, however. Shepard comes in parts, NPCS, dunno.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 01:18
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adriano_c wrote...
Epantiras wrote...
BTW I remember somebody managed to mod Shepard into having Jack's HEAD only, or is my memory failing on me? Could it be possible to mod Jack w/ visor model into having the Jack w/out visor head? I have no idea of how it works, so I'm just doing wild speculations.
I know you can mod Shepard into having Jack's head sans visor along with the appropriate costume/body, not so sure about mixing and matching the squad members, however. Shepard comes in parts, NPCS, dunno.
I'd experiment on that, if I had the skills/tools :-(
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 01:31
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Epantiras wrote...
I'd experiment on that, if I had the skills/tools :-(
Yeah, I know what you mean. I looked into modding stuff several months ago, managed to figure out a few things, took some screen caps...
...and promptly forgot how to do all of it. Not even sure what program is required anymore. Right now I'd like to be able to give Jack the Blackstorm and/or Cain.
Anyone know if that's possible?
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 03:56
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Oh, Epantiras, we need a picture of the disgusted-face Jack has in that picture, on a plain background.
