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[Mondo47]

If it's any consolation, I had to think for a while to figure out what the hell a "foamer" was

Now, five steps? I think only the first four are causes for concern... I mean, a fictional character can be fantasy-material, particularly if one is completely aware that it is a fantasy. A whole generation of men have sexual fatasies about Princess Leia; I'd imagine that a great proportion of them are not fantasizing about Carrie Fisher. There's nothing wrong with that - it's the way fantasy works. It's a delightful little escape from reality. No harm in it (unless the fantasies cross a line and people start acting on them). Personally, I can understand why Jack would be fantasy-material for some people, and while almost everything I feel connects me to the character is maternal in nature, I still think sometimes her lips look very smoochable. That's about as sexual as it gets for me, but the point I'm making is these little thirty second love affairs we have when we pass someone in the street, watch a movie, play a video game, are in the vast majority of cases not a sign of some humourous psychosis. They're just human nature. We have buttons that can be pressed by others, be they real or unreal.

As for this whole use of the word "sensual" that seems to have spurred this conversation... well, while working from a strict dictionary definition, a person is seusual, but a line can be sensuous. The side of a building, a mountain, a wave, a fish, a painting, a cloud formation - anything can be sensuous. But to say Jack is sensual... regardless of her not existing outside of an animated image, she is still an image of a person, so ergo Jack can be considered either sensual (if you're going to be anally retentive about the semantics of word usage) or sensuous. I would say she has a sensuous gaze, because her eyes communicate abstract concepts in that magical way only eyes can... I would definately descibe her mouth as sensual though, because as much as I like watching it form words and sneer and pout, part of me still thinks it'd be very nice to kiss. And to say that about any other bit of her anatomy based on personal taste... well, I'd not say it's grounds to throw a person on a couch and ask them about their mother.

So, to conclude (because I'm taking the platform like this is a beer hall in 1923), it is my opinon as apparent "caregiver" (to keep the peace and hand out hugs) that there really are no foamers in this room, nor should anyone really overreact about the use of an adjective. Anyone that does, will be taken outside and shot

We're all here to have a laugh, talk about a character we like, and debate things we know no answer to because BioWare has not given us the answers our minds demand. We shall have to wait and see, as they say. Until then, as long as you're not leaping to Jack's defense like she's your waifu or drooing into your lap talking about "dem flaps", I'd say you're not transgressing any terrible line in the sand of taste decency. We know Jack isn't real, but we know enough about her character to know that maybe a little bit of Jack resides in us all - certainly explains why we're so drawn to the character in the first place

So... about Jack, eh?

Modifié par Mondo47, 09 août 2010 - 03:39 .

[stormrain]

Only missed 10 pages in 4 days? This is why I love this thread: Nice, easy pace.

Anyway, topic, topic... of the stories Jack tells us of her past in-game, which one do you think takes place during ME1? None?

(Darn, Mondo beat me to the punch)

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 09 août 2010 - 02:25 .

[axl99]

I'd say she was on ice during ME1, so all that stuff that happened to her long ago, happened long ago. Once she defrosted, she'd be like Leeloo reading up on recent history - like 15 years worth or something -on a datapad.

Modifié par axl99, 09 août 2010 - 04:49 .

[Jackal904]

axl99 wrote...

I'd say she was on ice during ME1, so all that stuff that happened to her long ago, happened long ago. Once she defrosted, she'd be like Leeloo reading up on recent history - like 15 years worth or something -on a datapad.

I doubt it, considering how everyone on Purgatory talks about her, it seems like she was outside of cryo most of the time. I think that she was in cryo just to get her ready to get picked up by Shepard. Also, if she was actually frozen for several years, it would be very unlikely that it wouldn't have been brought up at all throughout the game.

On a different subject; What do you think would have happened if the Warden never tried to capture Shepard? What if they picked up Jack as originally planned? It seems like if her recruitment had gone down any other way, it wouldn't have gone over very well.  If Shepard hadn't shot and killed that gaurd trying to attack her, she would have charged at him like she did those gaurds. It probably would have gone down similar to when you release Grunt from his tank, except I'm not sure if Jack would ask Shepard some questions first like Grunt did, especially once she see's the Cerberus logo on him.

[adriano_c]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I don't know whether or not you have personal insecurities or paranoia, or whatever your issue is.  You can talk that bubble gum smack innuendo, or make accusatory comments by equating words to "foam Tali status" to someone who shares your issues.  I don't care.  You got a problem with me using the word "sensual", or any other word questioning an aspect of the Jack character, then that's just too bad.

Oh, for real?

adriano_c wrote...

sen·su·al

/ˈsɛnʃuəl/ Show Spelled[sen-shoo-uhl] Show IPA

–adjective

1. pertaining to, inclined to, or preoccupied with the gratification of the senses or appetites; carnal; fleshly.

2. lacking in moral restraints; lewd or unchaste.

3. arousing or exciting the senses or appetites.

4. worldly; materialistic; irreligious.

5. of or pertaining to the senses or physical sensation; sensory.

6. pertaining to the philosophical doctrine of sensationalism.



Either
way, several of these, in addition to the usual connotation, in
reference to any video game character are foam Tali status to me.

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I missed this edit.  It wasn't the best word to use, I suppose, but I don't think we have any foamers of Jack in this thread.

Edit:  At least I hope not.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]  Who is the Jack foam closet?  Come on out, now!

If you were using it in a different sense, no skin off your teeth, right?

Save your insecurites for PM, yeah?

[Urdaniel]

Jackal904 wrote...
I doubt it, considering how everyone on Purgatory talks about her, it seems like she was outside of cryo most of the time. I think that she was in cryo just to get her ready to get picked up by Shepard. Also, if she was actually frozen for several years, it would be very unlikely that it wouldn't have been brought up at all throughout the game.

On a different subject; What do you think would have happened if the Warden never tried to capture Shepard? What if they picked up Jack as originally planned? It seems like if her recruitment had gone down any other way, it wouldn't have gone over very well.  If Shepard hadn't shot and killed that gaurd trying to attack her, she would have charged at him like she did those gaurds. It probably would have gone down similar to when you release Grunt from his tank, except I'm not sure if Jack would ask Shepard some questions first like Grunt did, especially once she see's the Cerberus logo on him.

While I agree that she was probably out of cryo for much of her stay on Purgatory, my personal take (which is no more than a gut feeling) is that she was in cryo for rather longer than just a few days or weeks prior to Shepard's arrival.  I'm thinking that she got put in "solitary" (which is all cryo really is, albeit an extreme form of it) for a last-straw incident that threatened Kuril's cash crop; given her history this could be just about anything, such as the payback she dished out after the bathroom incident.  And the central point remains: we get very little sense of how long the various phases of Jack's life lasted.  We're all mostly agreed on an apparent age of early to mid-20s, but (especially if she repeatedly got cryo'ed at the various prisons she was in), her actual chronological age might be considerably higher (which has been done to death in this thread too).

As for Jackal's second point, I'm pretty convinced that it would have played out mostly as described.  For all the hostility she exhibits during the actual events as depicted in the game, I'm thinking Processing would have been a charnel house when the smoke settled under Jackal's scenario.  Depending on who won (and it could have certainly gone any number of ways - never good when you have three separate sets of combatants in a confined space), the whole Collector/Reaper question might have gone moot.

Of course, now that I think about it, it's entirely possible that the reason she breaks her shackles and charges the YMIRs is because Shepard didn't use the controls to pump her full of inhibitors when he thawed her (which is something the prison staff would almost certainly have done under normal circumstances).  But all that really means is that the confrontation would have been deferred until she was on the Normandy and the inhibitors wore off.   And Miranda was worrying about decanting Grunt?  Oh yes, Miranda, you CAN be wrong - maybe even dead wrong.  Actually, I'm surprised that Jack and Shep's initial meeting was so civilized - even taking into account the fact that he just shot a prison guard who was trying to blindside her.  Bleh, I'll stop rambling now. 

[adriano_c]

Urdaniel wrote...

...her actual chronological age might be considerably higher...

I'm skeptical of any of these cryo stays being for "extended" periods (years), particularly the latest. You'd think she'd mention it, at least in passing, if so. A simple "What year is it?", maybe.

[adriano_c]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

So what's your problem?

Only the dredging up of an exchange that was concluded, hours after, and likely fueled by some perceived impingement upon said "inflated machismo". Whose? I wonder. Although, granted, it isn't much of a problem. Feel free to use the thread for personal issues.

Do you have to post and make it clear to everyone in the thread that you are not creepy?

Doesn't concern me. Same can't be said for others, apparently.

I don't have any issue here...

If that were true, I wouldn't have a post to respond to. Simple as.

-edit. By the way, you can have the last word if you like. Any sort of protracted discussion about something this ridiculous (poster sensitivities in respect to "foam Tali") is ridiculous.

Modifié par adriano_c, 09 août 2010 - 07:04 .

[Mondo47]

Well well well, we have a Smudboy-level quote fight going on... I'm having the last word - no, I will. And we'll keep spitting quotes back and forth to counterpoint our righteousness!

Everyone take a deep breath and step back. Let it die. No more. Please. The last word doth not make you right, it only makes you the saddest bastard in the room.

Do you really want to be like Smudboy?

Wow... I really could get into this "caregiver" roll! Let's put up some big black and red banners over there... get everyone wearing jackboots...

[Epantiras]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Which do you guys think is more sensual, her eyes or lips?

adriano_c wrote...
There's something about describing a video game character as "sensual" that seems off...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Gratification of the senses. Visual, in this case, of a digital creation.  She is an artist's creation.  A piece of art.

adriano_c wrote...

Riiiiiiiiiight.

*snip definitions*

Either way, several of these, in addition to the usual connotation, in
reference to any video game character are foam Tali status to me.

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I don't think we have any foamers of Jack in this thread.

adriano_c wrote...
A foam Jack would be pretty hilarious, however it was done.

WTF???

*slowly backing away, avoiding eye contact*

[Quaay]

I find Jack sensual and I don't care who knows it!

[adriano_c]

Mondo47 wrote...

...

Don't make a mountain out of a molehill...it's a non-issue.

[LiquidGrape]

I can tell I'm on the internet. This is srs business.



Anyway, everyone knows Jack's eyes are, in fact, "beguiling".

[Errationatus]

Mondo47 wrote...

*Snip*... A whole generation of men have sexual fatasies about Princess Leia; I'd imagine that a great proportion of them are not fantasizing about Carrie Fisher...*Snip*

Uhm.... I fantasized about Carrie Fisher...  From the first time I saw Star Wars at 11,  to her undie scene in Under The Rainbow. 

But then, I never claimed to be normal - whatever the fvck that's supposed to be.

[Errationatus]

adriano_c wrote...

I'm skeptical of any of these cryo stays being for "extended" periods (years), particularly the latest. You'd think she'd mention it, at least in passing, if so. A simple "What year is it?", maybe.

You're assuming Jack would give a sh!t as to the year.  Why would she care?  It's not like she needs to check her stocks, or she's worried she left the stove on.

[adriano_c]

So, you wake up from a multi-year sleep, look around, and don't acknowledge this missing time? At all? Not even during some conversation with the person who's just liberated you? Doesn't fit, to me.

[Quaay]