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[MHRazer]

Sundown Native wrote...

You know, I'd like to get some of my own high quality pictures. Afraid the equipment I got doesn't support it, much.

But hey, if you're sending, I'm recieving. I have enough space to use all of that.

All that remains is finding a song. I was gonna use the one Uccisore had linked me too, but I couldn't find it. I mean, aside from seeing on YouTube, that is.

I'm not sure how to send 65GB+ of data over the interwebs. You have a way?

[Mondo47]

Well, my take on romances in any game is they're never much like the real thing. Ok, for the sake of game mechanics and plain and simple having-fun-ness, they can't be as deep or convoluted as real-world relationships, but they can touch on issues and capture some of the spirit of an actual romance.

Now everyone has their favorites, so I'll not really tear strips off them based on my own experiences in relationships up and down the years, but based on the way I've led my life, Jack's relationship works so damn well because it's not a pushover. Getting to know Jack takes effort. You say the wrong thing, you can f*ck it up. And she's not perfect herself; she's cranky, childish at times, and works way too hard on keeping that big ol' tower of sh*t in front of her. All those things we can see in the character too - we know why she is the way she is. It's all writ plain for us. That's why, to me at least, her romance is the most real in the game. It's an adult relationship, with friction.

Liara's relationship with Shepard (since it was brought up ) is to me way too fast. All the romances are too fast, but hers begins after one conversation. You sit down, have one chat, and she's picking out a ring. That's why I mock it. Sure, the others aren't much better (the way Ash and Kaidan make goo-goo eyes at Shep the moment he makes them a compliment makes me wonder how many of their COs they've screwed over the years), but Liara's is faster than a speeding freight train, and we all know what happens when one of those hits you

Miranda's romance is hollow and far too lightweight to me. It makes her come over even more empty-headed than she does to start with. She's a pushover, and it seems almost completely physical and cheap. I'd never want to have a relationship with someone like that as an adult (drunk one-nighter notwithstanding - hey, I'm honest about myself at least). As a younger person, maybe I'd be more satisfied with it.

Thane's romance almost seems inappropriate considering his issues with his wife's death and his own impending death. I felt sordid trying it on with the character.

Jacob's romance is I feel glossed over because of "the priiize" - if you ignore than one stupid line, he's the only person that seems genuinely interested in Shepard's emotional wellbeing. Everyone else - it's all about them. Mememe. Jacob isn't. Which is why I think people hanging so much on a dumb line is kinda missing all the good stuff that went before. It's like tossing the real Ashley Williams out of your room for trying his "Gimme some sugar, baby!" line on you. Newsflash - we sometimes say stupid things when we're about to get our ashes hauled. I think Jacob deserves a little slack (though whoever wrote him really should have thought about that line a bit more) because the leadup is pretty decent.

Garrus has his moments. The awkwardness of it all is nice. Sex isn't always easy, and sometimes it really is a big ol' mountain of anxiety. The fact that the relationship is so abrupt doesn't help it - some more buildup would be nice - but what it does do is show a little side of Garrus we don't see; some things make him unsure, his professionality dissolves under the weight of his own fears. It gives Garrus a soft side, and that I like. It also demonstrates clearly that his "stress relief" is much more important to him than he lets on. It becomes obvious, instead of it being obvious from moment one.

Which takes me to Tali... there's not much to say here, is there? It's overly sweet, it's all one-sided, there are no edges, no pitfalls, it's just Tali loves Shepard - case closed. And I have to say, that's one of the things I really like about it. It's a perfect romance for her. It's a storybook first love. It's nostalgic and innocent for us old hands in the book of love, and is redolent of high school crushes and first kisses and all the uncertainty and fear and joy... it's fluffy and lightwight, sure, but it's nice to be fluffy and lightweight sometimes. Because at some points in our lives, romance was just that.

[Pacifien]

MHRazer wrote...
I'm not sure how to send 65GB+ of data over the interwebs. You have a way?

Someone with a hardcore elite ftp service. Otherwise, better luck just scanning them to a bunch of DVDs and mailing them.

[Pacifien]

tommyt_1994 wrote...
I agree with right about all of your points, I think you really hit the nail on the head. Oh and feel free to share which other romances you like and why. I'm just curious to see what kind of romances Jack fans are interested in, other than Jack's of course lol. I was wondering if the "this doesn't look like a school girl crush" aspect of the Jack romance, attracts those particular fans to similar romances.

I like complicated romances where the happily ever after is anything but assured. I like the push and pull of personalities where it's not just the circumstances but their own thought processes that cause turmoil. But I don't want tragic love, wrought with emotions and woe at every turn. There are the good times and the bad times and all the stories in between. These romances appeal to me because these romances describe my romances. Which is kind of funny, now that I think about it, because you'd think I'd go for the less complicated romances simply as a form of escape.

I like the Thane romance because it plays as one of attraction. Thane sizes you up from the moment you step into the Dantius Towers. You learn about his views and he opens up to someone for the first time in a very long time. The fact that he was married and entered into what a human would call ten years of depression upon his wife's death doesn't bother me. If you start the romance, then cut it back off, he makes it clear that one can love more than one person in a lifetime. Very true, which is why I don't use the wife issue as an excuse for not having the romance. The whole dying thing is a bit trickier, but if someone truly intrigued me, if I liked spending time with them, I'd go the year of heartache to simply say I have known them and shared part of my life with them. Then there's this whole cure/treatment/no cure discussion that keeps going on in the Thane thread which I'm not going to go into. (Anti-cure Thane!) Anyway, there are a couple horrid lines during this romance that make me facepalm. "I'm not sure we can call it love..." Yeah, Shepard. That's what I say when I start every romance. "It's only our first date, so I'm not sure we can call it love..."

Since Mondo commented on the Jacob romance, I have to say he's not the only one who expresses concern for Shepard. Thane does that, too, but she brushes it aside quickly. Guess she didn't want to go into any of those "being dead sucked" discussions with the terminally ill alien. Anyway, Jacob's romance lost me waaaaaay before "the priiize." I didn't have anything nice to say about it even before that meme started. It's not Jacob, it's Shepard. It's the sleeziest voice acting I could imagine. If anyone wants to point out how porn star Jacob is acting in the final scene, I'm just going to point out that Shepard started it. She really does.

Garrus romance is okay, but it follows the lines of very real relationships I have experienced. Romances starting from friendships are tricksy business. I've butted heads with some of the people in the Garrus thread due to my "friends with benefits" interpretation of the romance. They point out the subtleties of the romance, the nervousness leading up to it, and vulnerable confession at the end. It's particularly the "just once..." comment he makes that seems to be used as a sign for how serious he's trying to be, but 1) if I was heading into a mission where everyone was claiming a high chance of death, I'd like to have just one night of things feeling right, too, and 2) it's not like I haven't had serious, vulnerable moments with friends. With benefits.

This is where I lose, ah, all my cool points with Mondo. The character I have romanced the most, as well as stayed loyal to throughout most of my ME2 playthroughs... is Kaidan. I like nice, quiet guys who hate sinister organizations with great passion, okay? No really, I just like it. My most successful relationship is with someone who is a bit of a Kaidan, but with way better hair.

But in truth, sometimes I fall into the romance with Kaidan by default due to not liking the Liara romance all that much and not wanting to be an outright dick to my crewmates. If I do try to back off on the Kaidan romance, he gives this pathetic "I got some signals" line that gives me a mighty guffaw and I want to tell him "you don't get out much, do you?" But since there is no "you don't get out much" option on the dialogue wheel, romance it is....

Oh damn, this reminds me of my argument with some guys that they let their relationships wallow in great misery simply because they haven't the balls to break up with the girl first for fear of coming across as a dick.

The reason why I have as many "loyal to Kaidan" playthroughs in ME2 that I do is probably because it's so easy not to have a relationship with anyone in the game. If it had been as easy in ME1, I'd probably have a lot more playthroughs with simply no romance.

Anyway, I've seen people discuss being put off by the Jack romance due to her personality and the emotional issues that come with it. And sometimes because she lacks hair. This is something for which I will never take exception, because I completely understand. Going on a friendship basis, Jack is one I'd take tentative steps toward nurturing such a relationship. I don't know why anyone would go through the trouble of going one step further and pursuing a romantic relationship because it's a mine field of possible hurt. Other than when it happens to go right. Then the world seems right.

Sometimes I feel other fans do take exception about my opinions of their preferred romance. Sometimes that has to do with having what I know is a minority opinion among others -- they can be accepting of my alternate viewpoint, but I will always be aware that it's a minority viewpoint, not much shared or possibly comprehended by others. Other times, they might give a sarcastic reply about how their preferred relationship is obviously not deep, meaningful, and mature -- because I've just called the romance a schoolgirl crush. Uh, fine, it's not like I don't know people who had their sickeningly sweet high school romance that led to marriage, 2.5 children, and a labrador retriever. I happen to like Tali very much as a character, just not as a romance. I will never view the game with the idea that romance is in the cards with Tali, she will always be that little sister or that talented engineer, she can pine away on her unrequitted crush for the end of her days or in my own personal ME universe she can simply not have a crush the way it's meant to be.... wait, what was I saying?

Oh right. I like Jack.

[Epantiras]

Talking about romances, let's say that I nuked Kaidan because he had a "Carth Onasi syndrome" (he even had the same voice actor, but at the time I didn't know that - I was playing the Italian version). I don't like that everything that comes out of his mouth is Jump Zero - related, he's very obsessed over it! And that gives him "whiner vibes". I even think that Carth Onasi himself was better fleshed out than him - but, overall, ME1 characters weren't very developed compared to previous Bioware titles. When I was faced with the choice between Kaidan "whiner" Alenko and Ashley "my favourite character" Williams... it was a tough choice, but I had to leave him there.



Liara... don't even get me started. I hate the way Bioware forces her romance on you. Period.



Thane. That guy. I cannot resist his "family man" vibes :-P he's strange at times, Shepard still can't make him understand that hanars are EVIL, but let's leave it for ME3. It's sad he's terminal, I thought that Bioware had already showed us EVERYTHING of the moment he meets Shepard, but they actually left out ONE SMALL DETAIL: when he says "I'm dying"... that's a PLOT TWIST / WTF / SERIOUSLY BIOWARE / SAMUS IS A GIRL moment. I don't know if he should die in ME3 or not... as long as it's EPIC, it will be fine.



BTW: dear Bioware, if you kill Thane in ME3, will you let my Femshep romance Jack at least? No? Ok, whatever... /humor

[Mondo47]

You make some excellent points there, Paci, though going back to the Thane's wife issue, my problem is not that you can only truly love one person in a lifetime, but the fact that for him she's never really gone. His edetic memory certainly leaves me at least with the impression that he has never really worked through his feelings surrounding her death. He has a whole life with someone else to recall with perfect clarity; one with marriage and children... I'd feel kinda like the other woman in an affair almost, having to compete with someone he's bound to so deeply. She's just not completely-dead (as hard-hearted as that sounds); memories fade, after all, beacuse they're made that way. His don't.

You get the same thing from Kasumi's deal with the greybox, except with her it's like dwelling on the recorded memories could become an emotional crutch for her; if she gets back the greybox Keiji hasn't really gone and she winds up potentially dwelling over memories of what once was like some collection of tragic little trinkets ("It's so good to have him back, even in this form."). Thane is stuck with his - nothing will ever make them less real or present. While helping him to move on would be a somewhat noble thing in my mind, part of it all just seems too inevitable, too high a mountain to climb in the time he has left. It's heartbreak soup, table twelve... and part of me just would not want to get involved with that, which stops the romance from pressing any of my buttons (damnnit everything goes back to Jacob Taylor - you're right there too, Hale's delivery doesn't really help).

[Pacifien]

I never had a problem with Carth Onasi either, never felt he was overly whiney with his trust issues. Ha, Carth Onasi=Jack! Take that! But whatever, Atton Rand was way better.

My XBox is back, which means returning to my Soldier playthrough with the intention of romancing Jack for once. When I loaded it up yesterday, though, my groove was all gone. I hate interrupted playthroughs.

Instead, I might go with the Sentinel playthrough. Get Jack first and bring her to every single mission. I've never really done that on any of my playthroughs, bringing one person along for every mission. I probably won't be able to handle it. Plus, getting Jack first... Purgatory was always a problem for me.

[Mondo47]

Well I do tend to use the King & Queen of Calamity almost for every mission (Jack & Grunt)

I tend to pick up Grunt before her though - I love Grunt getting all giddy watching her break sh*t

[Goat_Shepard]

Epantiras wrote...
Liara... don't even get me started. I hate the way Bioware forces her romance on you. Period.

This, so much this.

I just got finished with ME1 for the first time since ME2's release.  Usually I have no problem avoiding the romances because I simply don't talk to them, but this is my new canon, he's a good captain who's gunna talk to his squaddies, but very meticulously.

That being said, I do not think you can talk to Liara and not end in a romance. In the 2nd convo I said I was not interested, she acknowledged that. 3rd convo she's all like "that's why I find you so fascinating, Commander, but all these distractions are getting in the way of Saren" and the options are "I understand, maybe later", "You're right", and "We are ready". All lead to a romance.

So I load my save and simply don't talk to her about being a virgin, and it still led me to the romance (which from a roleplaying perspective is kinda funny, having this 15 yr old wanting to jump you before Ilos and responding like "wow, are you serious? We're about to go into battle, get your ****ing gear on")

And when I talked to Ashley, "Thought you'd be chatting it up with whatsherface", "I don't think that's any of your business, Chief", "Sorry, ser, I thought we had a good thing going". "No! Just friends, damnit!".

I can imagine Kaiden is the same way.

So I'll have to explain to Jack that the asari following me around obsessing over me is completely one-sided, and that nothing happened. I find it kind of, ominous, that if you leave Liara at the dig site for like the whole game, she gets delirious and thinks you're a hallucination, telling you to leave because she's tired of talking to herself lol

Anyway, thank the Maker for romance checks in the 2nd game. At the moment heading to Freedom's Progress, Jacob just reminded me of Akuze, and says NOTHING about the fact that Cerberus was responsible. Pisses me off! Now Miranda's gunna say the Idenna wasn't personal, ha! Me and Jack have something in common already, we see through the bull****.

[Goat_Shepard]

Pacifien wrote...
My XBox is back, which means returning to my Soldier playthrough with the intention of romancing Jack for once. When I loaded it up yesterday, though, my groove was all gone. I hate interrupted playthroughs.

Indeed, I "returned" to one playthrough and the groove is lost. Was on Insanity, too, so quite a bummer.

Instead, I might go with the Sentinel playthrough. Get Jack first and bring her to every single mission. I've never really done that on any of my playthroughs, bringing one person along for every mission. I probably won't be able to handle it. Plus, getting Jack first... Purgatory was always a problem for me.

Idk why you gotta switch classes. I was about to go Sentinel like you said, but then I remembered all the weapon packs I bought for DLC. Gotta use 'em all

And I'll do the same as far as bringing Jack everywhere. Why wouldn't you be able to handle it? And who's your 2nd squaddie? Grunt and Samara are potential for some lol-moments, same with Zaeed.

[Goat_Shepard]

And after actually reading the page, all I can say is "Pacifien, your soul is as black as night...with rain."



And I mean that in the best possible way

[Pacifien]

Oh right. Weapons pack. Well, guess I'll just restart the Soldier then.

Jack is typically the last one I pick up, due to everyone else being on Omega, and my desire to bring Grunt along to Purgatory every time. Taking Miranda and Jacob just won't be the same. :/

[Goat_Shepard]

Pacifien wrote...

Oh right. Weapons pack. Well, guess I'll just restart the Soldier then.
Jack is typically the last one I pick up, due to everyone else being on Omega, and my desire to bring Grunt along to Purgatory every time. Taking Miranda and Jacob just won't be the same. :/

But ya gotta bring Mordin to Grunt's recruit, right? Idk, I'm metagaming too much now. Bringing Miranda to Purgatory has it's benefits, no? Doesn't she say "You're not authorized to do that" when you offer the data files to Jack? TIM said do whatever is necessary to recruit these people. Guess she didn't get the memo.

And doesn't someone always give the "we can knock her out" line? Would be funny to see who says that if you have Jacob and Miranda

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Jack: Nope. She’d not be able to do this to the man that saved the galaxy from the big bad Reaper…

I like that line.  I like how tender they are with each other. 

I like how everyone writes Jack just a little different.  It means the writers established enough of her character to give us an idea of who she is, but left her character open-ended enough for interpretation.

Agreed. Variety is always nice. Great job Mondo, I really liked that one.

[Gethforceone]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Epantiras wrote...
Liara... don't even get me started. I hate the way Bioware forces her romance on you. Period.

This, so much this.

I just got finished with ME1 for the first time since ME2's release.  Usually I have no problem avoiding the romances because I simply don't talk to them, but this is my new canon, he's a good captain who's gunna talk to his squaddies, but very meticulously.

That being said, I do not think you can talk to Liara and not end in a romance. In the 2nd convo I said I was not interested, she acknowledged that. 3rd convo she's all like "that's why I find you so fascinating, Commander, but all these distractions are getting in the way of Saren" and the options are "I understand, maybe later", "You're right", and "We are ready". All lead to a romance.

So I load my save and simply don't talk to her about being a virgin, and it still led me to the romance (which from a roleplaying perspective is kinda funny, having this 15 yr old wanting to jump you before Ilos and responding like "wow, are you serious? We're about to go into battle, get your ****ing gear on")

And when I talked to Ashley, "Thought you'd be chatting it up with whatsherface", "I don't think that's any of your business, Chief", "Sorry, ser, I thought we had a good thing going". "No! Just friends, damnit!".

I can imagine Kaiden is the same way.

So I'll have to explain to Jack that the asari following me around obsessing over me is completely one-sided, and that nothing happened. I find it kind of, ominous, that if you leave Liara at the dig site for like the whole game, she gets delirious and thinks you're a hallucination, telling you to leave because she's tired of talking to herself lol

Anyway, thank the Maker for romance checks in the 2nd game. At the moment heading to Freedom's Progress, Jacob just reminded me of Akuze, and says NOTHING about the fact that Cerberus was responsible. Pisses me off! Now Miranda's gunna say the Idenna wasn't personal, ha! Me and Jack have something in common already, we see through the bull****.

Yes! This annoyed me so much.  What was the point of even adding a "not interested" option?

[Pacifien]

Gethforceone wrote...
Yes! This annoyed me so much.  What was the point of even adding a "not interested" option?

Not looking for romance in ME1?

[Dominus5412]

Nowadays I get Grunt first out of everybody, just because.

[Gethforceone]

Pacifien wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...
Yes! This annoyed me so much.  What was the point of even adding a "not interested" option?

Not looking for romance in ME1?

Wow. If this really works thats great! Thanks!

Modifié par Gethforceone, 12 août 2010 - 05:05 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Pacifien wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...
Yes! This annoyed me so much.  What was the point of even adding a "not interested" option?

Not looking for romance in ME1?

Ok, I didn't hit the left option for Ashley, because I wanted to hear what she had to say about mistrusting aliens. Nothing on the right side was romantic, though. It doesn't make sense.

And about Liara, I said me and Ashley were just friends, then I hit the renegade option not the middle one, which I don't recall exactly but Shepard was definitely along the lines of "I'm not into you". I swear if I sensed any "romantic" vibes I would have reloaded my save, but I was so confident that we were just friends that it was all a surprise when suddenly I'm in the love triangle.

Again, I'm glad the checks actually work in ME2, because I felt like I was being stalked the past couple days. First time I felt creeped out by Liara that didn't involve talk about someone's remains fitting into a coffee cup

EDIT
So rejecting before Ilos counts as a romance either way? My god, I need to load my save now. ****!

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 12 août 2010 - 05:32 .

[Epantiras]

Pacifien wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...
Yes! This annoyed me so much.  What was the point of even adding a "not interested" option?

Not looking for romance in ME1?

You are my new favourite super hero

Seriously, thanks for posting it

[Mondo47]

Just thought I'd share this nice screenie I got last night...



"Why won't he love me?"

(note: I only say that because AJ Shepard here romanced Tali... come on, five of my Sheps ended up with Jack, she can't have it all her way )

[StefanBW]

yorkj86 wrote...

Starting new playthroughs is a bummer. Engineering is so empty without Jack.

True, fortunately you can recruit her right away after Freedom's Progress! I would have hated it if it was only after Horizon.

So I came across this unused theme song for Jack, don't know if you guys heard it before -- but I like it. www.youtube.com/watch

I'm guessing that the fast paced variant (as is told in the video description) is in the scene that starts right after you beat Kuril? 

I'm totally picturing Epantiras' APB's Jack to this song.