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[Mondo47]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Thanks.   Well, I didn't think anyone (outside of you and Goat) was reading it, due to the near-total lack of feedback (I thank you and Goat for yours, however.  Much appreciated.), coupled with the massive wave of indifference that greeted each installment. 

*Shrug*  C'est la vie, non?

Oi! I said I was enjoying it too and looking forward to seeing where it was going! Don't me leaving my lack of response out!

[Mondo47]

"Maybe you're right... that I need..."

It has just struck me (as I just finished a Femme-Shep playthrough that wound up with me getting exposed to  Thane's love scene, where I really find the dialogue a little uninspiring) that that line has never really sat all that well with me. It's not Taylor's delivery, I think it's just the line itself; it just feels half-finished. In fact, I think a lot of the dialogue in the romance scenes falls a little flat (Tali's works because it's pure Tali, and Samara's near-miss works very well too, but the rest all have little flies in the lotion - and don't even get started on "the priiize")...

I'm gonna sleep now, but I'm going to think on a tweak for it...

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
On my current, for-fun playthrough, I sided with Jack in the fight between her and Miranda, because apparently I could't get enough Paragon from using the Raider class spec on my Sentinel (Guardian gives more Paragon/Renegade than Raider).  Is it intentional that, unless one meta-games, you'll come up short on Paragon/Renegade on those checks?   Is that the reason for why those bypasses exist, wherein you can talk later with that person you sided against?

The Persuasion Checks - Includes links where a developer goes into a bit of detail about why those checks were designed the way they were.

[Pacifien]

You can add points to solve it through dialogue or just flag her loyal. I had to flag characters loyal off and on for my science project. Worked well enough.

[axl99]

Mondo47 wrote...

"Maybe you're right... that I need..."

It has just struck me (as I just finished a Femme-Shep playthrough that wound up with me getting exposed to  Thane's love scene, where I really find the dialogue a little uninspiring) that that line has never really sat all that well with me. It's not Taylor's delivery, I think it's just the line itself; it just feels half-finished. In fact, I think a lot of the dialogue in the romance scenes falls a little flat (Tali's works because it's pure Tali, and Samara's near-miss works very well too, but the rest all have little flies in the lotion - and don't even get started on "the priiize")...

I'm gonna sleep now, but I'm going to think on a tweak for it...

The line ended kinda abruptly for me, what confused me more was Shepard's "It's alright, no more questions" response in context with what Jack didn't finish saying.

[Gethforceone]

axl99 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

"Maybe you're right... that I need..."

It has just struck me (as I just finished a Femme-Shep playthrough that wound up with me getting exposed to  Thane's love scene, where I really find the dialogue a little uninspiring) that that line has never really sat all that well with me. It's not Taylor's delivery, I think it's just the line itself; it just feels half-finished. In fact, I think a lot of the dialogue in the romance scenes falls a little flat (Tali's works because it's pure Tali, and Samara's near-miss works very well too, but the rest all have little flies in the lotion - and don't even get started on "the priiize")...

I'm gonna sleep now, but I'm going to think on a tweak for it...

The line ended kinda abruptly for me, what confused me more was Shepard's "It's alright, no more questions" response in context with what Jack didn't finish saying.

You have a point, that doesn't really make sense.



EDIT: after thinking about it, he was most likely refering to all of the questions he had asked in the converstions prior.

Modifié par Gethforceone, 15 août 2010 - 07:09 .

[Mondo47]

Dear Agony-Aunt-Style Jackolytes,

I woke up this morning with a strange, evil thought in my mind... about importing one of my as-yet unused ME1 Sheps, romancing Miranda and then giving her the elbow at the last minute for Jack. Am I normal?

Yours,

Confused (and a bit silly this morning it seems)

Seriously now, I think Jack's final romance scene feels like it needs a note or two more dialogue. I think Shepard's line about questions fits fairly well (harking back to Jack's "You ask a lot of questions, don't you?" which starts the romance proper) but in a screenplay that's unfolded over how many hours of gameplay, a nod to the line to ensure the connection isn't missed by anyone wouldn't go amiss - when writing scripts, you have to pitch to the whole crowd. In fact, I think his retort of "You're the one that walked away" makes less sense because Jack never does once you reach that level of the wooing - she says she needs to think about it, which hardly constitutes walking away (unless Shep thought his mojo was so almighty she should have jumped his bones the second he came into the sub-basement). Shep never really buys her front, so it seems a pretty jackassy thing to say just to get a respose out ("I know, ok? Maybe that wasn't right, but... I'm trying")... is the guy trying to make her cry or something? But I think it could be tweaked and used, I think, and not make him sound like a douchebag.

Some of the other love scenes are dialogue heavy, others are dialogue light; Jack's is the second shortest in duration (after Tali's) and has as little dialogue as that sport-f*ck you get out of Miranda, but it is, as is the case in almost every scene in the game, it's a question of timing. I don't think I'd want to change the dynamic of Jack's scene at all; its emphasis on physicality (and thus silence) I think is important - I really feel that it's what makes it the most traditionally-romantic moment in the whole game (cinematically speaking)...

So... let's give this a whirl... see if I can do this. Something that highlights Jack's vulnerability to the situation... time to wheel out "Proper Screenplay Mode"


INT - NORMANDY 2, SHEPARD'S QUARTERS

Shepard is reading from a datapad when Jack enters. Her voice is tinged with uncertainty.

JACK: Shepard...

Shepard puts down the device and turns to face her.

SHEPARD: I wasn't expecting you, Jack.

JACK: I was thinking about you... where we're going... that we... we might not be coming back.

SHEPARD: We've never disguised the odds we're facing, Jack.

JACK: I screwed up, didn't I? Had to think about everything you kept asking me, and now we've got no time left. This is stupid... I shouldn't be here.

Jack turns to leave. Shepard takes hold of Jack's shoulder and turns her around to face him again. Her eyes glitter, on the verge of tears.

SHEPARD: You were the one that wanted to wait.

JACK: I know, ok? Maybe that was wrong, but I'm trying... this is -

Shepard lifts Jack's face to his.

SHEPARD: It wasn't wrong, Jack. One last question... will you stay?

Jack pauses, hesitant for the briefest of moment, then allows herself to be true to her feelings. She melts into Shepards arms. Cue love scene, fade to black.

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
Urgency was a common theme with the love-scenes in ME1, everyone admitting that they might not walk away from the mission to Ilos, but apparently no one is worried about going through the Relay.

This is why I felt the mission to Ilos felt much more like a suicide mission than the supposed suicide mission of ME2. Everyone really felt like they were running out of time and were going to fail in ME1. Everyone in ME2 is all "Meh. Shepard's done it before."

[LiquidGrape]

Pacifien wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
Urgency was a common theme with the love-scenes in ME1, everyone admitting that they might not walk away from the mission to Ilos, but apparently no one is worried about going through the Relay.

This is why I felt the mission to Ilos felt much more like a suicide mission than the supposed suicide mission of ME2. Everyone really felt like they were running out of time and were going to fail in ME1. Everyone in ME2 is all "Meh. Shepard's done it before."

Quite.
And it's ironic that despite BioWare's hyping of the idea that a vast portion of your squad could (and likely would) perish in the process of the alleged suicide mission, it's quite a hassle to successfully kill them off.
Mass Effect 2 never had any sense of urgency to me. The narrative was too detached and fragmented.

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

You went heavy with the schmaltz, Mondo, but you still managed to pull the scene together.   It's nice that Jack is acknowledging the urgency of the situation.  It's like what Urdaniel likes to write about in his fanfiction - Jack wants to spend time with Shepard.  Shepard just has to pull her in.

Urgency was a common theme with the love-scenes in ME1, everyone admitting that they might not walk away from the mission to Ilos, but apparently no one is worried about going through the Relay.

I like the mushy stuff - sue me Maybe we can say that's the Paragon scene (I originally considered putting a Paragon interrupt into the sequence (stopping Jack from walking away - and yeah, that is pure sugar, but after all the ****** we've had with Jack, I wanted to sweeten the tea a little) and adding a "neutral" and "Renegade" set of lines, but it looked seriously complicated on the page and stopped it reading correctly.

It is something that, in reflection, that only Jacob (once again the poorly-written stealth-hero of the game) even remotely mentions. Miranda does to a very slim degree, but seriously, the "promise me you won't die" line really should not have been used - who does not think of Team America when they hear that clunker? I think the urgency of it all would be very important, particularly with Jack in regard to her missed chance with Murtock... she'd on one hand not want to be hurt again, even for a moment. On the other, she'd be even more afraid of saying nothing and having it all happen again because she was too scared to say anything. In some respects, I think a Jack romance has to have an aspect of the more childlike, idealistic concept of romance about it; she's never really known love -real, honest love - so it would have to be a little gentle. Sure, as Jack and Shep settle into one another it'd get more adult and complex, but to begin with, it'd be as sweet as everything Tali goes through. The actual texture of a relationship would only come later (I think, anyways) and they both start raising splinters...

I've got this mental image of her, a day after returning through the Omega 4 relay, walking around the ship with this stupid grin on her face and everyone being ever so slightly freaked out by it (going all dere-dere ) right up until Kelly says "You look happy today, Jack." Then there's a burst of loud verbal abuse and the armour goes back on

[Mondo47]

You think someone as cuddly as Kelly would be able to resist making a comment? She seems to want to be everyone's friend so much, I bet she'd still have to say something

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
Urgency was a common theme with the love-scenes in ME1, everyone admitting that they might not walk away from the mission to Ilos, but apparently no one is worried about going through the Relay.

This is why I felt the mission to Ilos felt much more like a suicide mission than the supposed suicide mission of ME2. Everyone really felt like they were running out of time and were going to fail in ME1. Everyone in ME2 is all "Meh. Shepard's done it before."

You know what made the Ilos mission seem like a suicide mission to me... the music when you hit the ground.  The suicide mission music in ME2, while awesome, seemed more like an all out assault and not a desperate and needed act to save the day.  The Ilos combat music made me feel like the **** has hit the fan and it was do or die.

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

You think someone as cuddly as Kelly would be able to resist making a comment? She seems to want to be everyone's friend so much, I bet she'd still have to say something

Maybe not.  Under threat of Jack's powers?  Yes, definitely.  Again, because of her training, I doubt she'd get psychological about it.  It would be funny, though, to hear Kelly's thoughts about Jack, and her relationship with Shepard.  She talks about her briefly, I think, but more than just that.

Kelly is jealous... she tell you not to fool around with Jack.  I've seen enough jealous girls in my life to see when someone is jealous of a person you are around.