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[Mondo47]

Well, Kasumi comments on how she's altered by the romance, so maybe Kasumi would be the one to bite the bullet.

Oh! I smell a scene in the brewing!

[Mondo47]

Well due to the bottle of wine I just nailed with my dinner, I don't think my chops will be up to snuff for a while, but I was thinking more Kasumi talking to Jack - considering she already has in my ficniverse

[Errationatus]

Sundown Native wrote...

So you know, I was one of the apparently few people that had been reading Intermezzo. I also believe the fic was pretty good, so it's relieving that you didn't shut it down, altogether.

Nope.  I am revising it because I didn't like how it began, nor did I like some stuff in the middle, so you'll have to reread it when I'm done, sorry.

Upon reflection, that was a poor choice of words, so apologies all round.  I don't write much - don't really think much of my "abilities", so unless I get feedback on a regular basis, I just assume no one either cares, or is actually reading it, so I start second-guessing and grumbling, and forgetting that people actually were reading and commenting on it. 

Of course, when you can read Mondo's stuff, or Urdaniels or yours...  well, when you can frolic through the grass why wander through the bracken?

Ahhhh, insecurities.  *rolls eyes*

Thank you, Sundown, for your time in reading it.  I apppreciate it. 

[Goat_Shepard]

Destroying Insanity mode with Jack at the moment, I've never used her in combat more than a few times so taking her everywhere and mixing up my 2nd squadmember is quite a change of pace. Idk if it's the geth plasma shotty, but she is not nearly as bad as I remember, in fact, her and Soldier!Shep are tearing **** up. After inching passed the floating platforms, the "derelict" collector ship was barely a palm-sweat, and I remember that being one of the hardest missions.

Since those select biotics are so limited, I found it effective to use the AR or particle beam to take out everyone's barriers/shields and then Jack uses pretty much either power to take them out. Pull Field is especially useful, but the problem is Armor. Squad Incendiary Ammo is useful, but I wonder if getting Armor Piercing rounds is better as a 7th skill (No points in Concussive Shot and Cryo Ammo). I'd be giving up Reave, but Jack has them covered when their defenses are down.

Now I see why Pacifien was so adamant about using a Sentinel as a partner class with Jack, but fortunately Soldier can take down all their defenses as well as long as ammo is aplenty

And so far Zaeed and Kasumi are looking equally effective as the 3rd wheel, but more testing is necessary. It's less about what skills the character has as much as how they react in combat. Jack and that new shotgun have saved my my ass multiple times when I go kamikaze.

Still much to catch up on, but must return to toy throwing. Appreciate any advice given regarding 7th skill.

[NICKjnp]

Jack works well with an adept, sentinel or soldier alongside another character with defense stripping powers (shields mostly). That is what most people fail to realize. She can tear up the battlefield as long as you use her right.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 15 août 2010 - 06:02 .

[Errationatus]

Mondo47 wrote...

Oi! I said I was enjoying it too and looking forward to seeing where it was going! Don't me leaving my lack of response out!

Ach!  No, ma'am.  As I said to Sundown Native (neat name, ain't it?), it's all about no ability and insecurities about displaying such in public.

Not all of us are bottomless wells of insightful Jackism (sounds vaguely perverse... are those who don't like Jack Jackholes?  It's possible), and amusing and highly entertaining vignettes.

I can only come up with stuff like this (written in one of those bouts of self-doubt):

Intermezzo'd - End

"Never cut a sucker an even break."
 - The Citadel Council

Jack freed herself using an old volus typewriter and some baling twine, realizing that the Kama Sutra only pertained to those with no spines and a subscription to National Geographic.  Vashmeer, renamed Cashmeer because he decided fuzzy was a fashion statement he could live with, short-circuited from her logic, and cursed William Shatner for making self-aware computers easy to defeat.

Shepard rode Tali down to the surface, and with only a spoon for backup,  waded with Joker (who killed everything that moved with his teeth) through blood up to his scrotum and handed her a Twinkie.

"Hi, Thweetie!", the Twinkie said, before running away to take that landscaping course it had always wanted to pursue, but was stopped from achieving because of an uptight mother and a father who refused to forget Vietnam, even though he'd only been 9 when it ended.

"Oh, Jack!  I have found you!"  He handed her a scone who had no particular leanings one way or the other.  "I shall gift you with watermelon-scented bathtowels and angelic pizza remnants!"  Shepard said, scowling suddenly, eating several kittens to bolster his badässery.

"It IS true love after all," Zaeed shouted.  "Dear Gawd, I shall contact Iron Maiden to sing at the wedding!"

Suddenly Jack's tattoos fell off, and her hair grew and grew until it became a home for all the orphans in the Terminus. 

Grunt, repenting of his sinner's ways, became a Jehovah Witness and refused to dance ever again.  His white shirt always chafed and Mordin could do nothing.   

Kasumi, tired of her shoes, became a rabid Scotsman, and everyone said she played the best batarian bagpipes in all of Jack's Hair.  Later, she took up full-contact vagina fighting , teaming with Aria in the Omega League.

Chakwas kept getting locked in phonebooths for no discernable reason and Miranda spontaneously combusted, although neither her breasts nor buttocks noticed.  Following the incident, they opened a lovely boutique just down from Garrus' quarian repair shop.  $199.95 and all the asari you could eat.

Jack looked and saw that it was too late for Jacob to take back anything he had ever said, and so he went away.  Eventually it was learned that he opened a booth in a carnival, but it wasn't very popular.

"No thanks," they'd say, when he exhorted them to shoot at the plastic bottles to win a stuffed krogan playing a tuba.

"But the priiiiiize!," he'd say, but they'd just shake their heads and walk by.  What a sad end. 

Kelly went for a gig at Afterlife as a dancer, but was subsequently found choked to death on all the heckling.

"Laugh and the galaxy laughs with you, " quoth Samara, and everyone nodded because it was wise.  "Refuse to nod because I am wise, and I kick you right in the ******.  If I can run in three inch heels, I can sure as hell boot you in the swing daddys."  Everyone nodded because it was wise, save Legion, who had no nutbuddies to damage.

"You know what your problem is," Jack asked.  "You're a piece of sh!t shat from a piece of sh!t.", and all thought that as far as wedding vows went, those were pretty good, all things considered.

Jack and Shepard built a summer home on Tuchanka, and everyone agreed it was indeed a summer home.

*Note*
Iron Maiden was sued by Zaeed for having been dead for 175 years, and forcing him to employ a mediocre cover band that only knew half of "Run to The Hills" and only the first part of "Bring Your Daughter To the Slaughter".

The case is still pending.


I mean, c'mon - you don't get much more bent than that. 

[Errationatus]

Mondo47 wrote...
*SNIP*
On the other, she'd be even more afraid of saying nothing and having it all happen again because she was too scared to say anything. In some respects, I think a Jack romance has to have an aspect of the more childlike, idealistic concept of romance about it; she's never really known love -real, honest love - so it would have to be a little gentle. Sure, as Jack and Shep settle into one another it'd get more adult and complex, but to begin with, it'd be as sweet as everything Tali goes through. The actual texture of a relationship would only come later (I think, anyways) and they both start raising splinters...

I think you're onto something there, Mondo - Jack is more like (to use a hoary metaphor) a pearl, that grit at the centre the little girl that did not get a chance to actually grow up - the layers around her are all entirely defence.  If one wants to consider endless mayhem and brutality emotional growth, k, but I can't really see it.

Jack is still emotionally (where caring, concern and trust are involved) very young.  Contrasted to the other ME gals, she's a kid, for all her experience, sexual and otherwise (except Tali, which might explain the crossover appeal, but even Tali is more "adult" emotionally than Jack).  Riding the mechanical bull at the bar doesn't make you a cowboy, if you follow me.  She has an adult body with adult responses and an adult intellectuality, but her emotional development is 15 years old, tops.  She acts like a very angry teenager - and why shouldn't she?

The final romance scene, looking at it that way, is done with a great amount of sensitivity and deepens the appeal of Jack's romance for me - it shows you how sensitive a non-douche Shepard actually is, and how much he really cares.  Sex at that moment would have been as wrong as the Mighty Thrust a'la Douchbaggery. 

It would explain that scene - which confuses some, if you look at it from that perspective, quite handily.  I've seen some people call it a "surrender" on Jack's part - which is stupid - and some complain that he "rescues" her with his Manly Mojo - which is also stupid - but I think it's simply a matter of not paying attention. 

I think Shepard sees early on the immense pain and potential in this battered young woman, and as a paragon (even as a neutral, mebbe), he realizes that she has to be approached the way one would a stray cat that's been kicked a lot - you have to earn everything in that kind of relationship.  It also ties in to someone complaining somewhere that Shepard had little or no character development in ME2.  I think they're wrong there, if Jack's romance is any indicator. 

I've got this mental image of her, a day after returning through the Omega 4 relay, walking around the ship with this stupid grin on her face and everyone being ever so slightly freaked out by it (going all dere-dere ) right up until Kelly says "You look happy today, Jack." Then there's a burst of loud verbal abuse and the armour goes back on

Personally, I think Jack would actually start to strut a bit - she's the Boss' girl, so, no matter what the silly cheerleader beeatch thinks, Jack's now SIC.  Now, how much trouble that would cause for Shepard - or between them - I canna say.  I'll leave that to others. 

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 15 août 2010 - 06:37 .

[tommyt_1994]

I would love to see a fanfic in which Jack is struttin' around the Normandy with a big a** grin on her face, which leads a jealous female crew member(Kelly, Miranda, or Tali) to confront her about the relationship. Sounds like it could be quite interesting, if it was done right. Some people aren't the greatest at getting Jack's dialogue down right. Like one time whilst reading a fanfic, Jack had a line that was something along the lines of "This is an incredibly hostile planet!", and I just could not imagine Jack saying that. No offense intended to the author, Jack's voice is one of the hardest to get down I would imagine.

[Andaius20]

[tommyt_1994]

yorkj86 wrote...

tommyt_1994 wrote...

I would love to see a fanfic in which Jack is struttin' around the Normandy with a big a** grin on her face, which leads a jealous female crew member(Kelly, Miranda, or Tali) to confront her about the relationship. Sounds like it could be quite interesting, if it was done right. Some people aren't the greatest at getting Jack's dialogue down right. Like one time whilst reading a fanfic, Jack had a line that was something along the lines of "This is an incredibly hostile planet!", and I just could not imagine Jack saying that. No offense intended to the author, Jack's voice is one of the hardest to get down I would imagine.

There's Mondo's fanfic where Tali comes to speak with Jack, but it's not quite as satisfying as the cheerleader speaking with Jack, about Shepard. 

Yes I remember that one, it's the one where Jack hands Tali a gun and tells her to pull the trigger. I remember the conversations we had after Mondo posted that one.

I would loveee to read a fic like that, Jack would flip if Miranda started to show signs of jealousy towards Jack and Shep

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 15 août 2010 - 08:47 .

[Mondo47]

JakeMacDon wrote...

*snippety-snip*

To be honest, Jake, that's why I try to make my more romantic and intimate moments between Shep and Jack so warm and tender. Shepard would treat her as well as he's able, because he has to see, has to understand, to even be there with her. I think he'd treat her like a princess. And I think it'd annoy the hell out of her sometimes too. And I think sometimes he'd reach the end of his tether and need some space from her. And I think that's why I think the relationship might very well eventually end...

But I think it's because he actually understands, respects and values her (and because Jack has to realise that in the huge space that is the universe, love - real love - is as rare as a planet with dozens of rich platinum veins), I think that they'd end up back together again someday

If I was writing this story, I'd make you cry twice

[Mondo47]

Just to clarify there, I was saying when it comes to opening herself to someone, she's emotionally young. She reacts like someone who has had their feelings trifled with once and now refuses to open up to the idea that someone might just be genuine. I'm not saying it's not understandable, or that it's wrong, but it is a very youthful reaction to "never want to love again" - or in Jack's case, trust also. She cuts herself off to all temptation to open up.

Hey, maybe I'm reading it all wrong, but to me... I just see this young woman discovering this whole world that's been denied her, and while on one hand I'm sure she'd be looking for the little man hiding behind the curtain while this spectacle goes on around her, a'la Wizard of Oz, I'm sure a part of her would be Dorothy Gale; overwhelmed by the wonder of it all.

Modifié par Mondo47, 16 août 2010 - 12:03 .

[MHRazer]

Sundown Native wrote...
[snip]

I like, Sundown. Short but good.

Stepping over a few loose cables, the commander would make his down the room, nearly bumping in Thane, in the process.

You missed a few words/letters there.

[Mondo47]

I'm not entirely sure... I've given it some thought, but maybe not enough to really draw anything with any detail. I think what I see as it stands is the relationship dissolving perhaps in Jack's hands; she's the one that walks away. Perhaps she deliberately or subconciously does something to force Shepard's hand? Something that makes him push her away? I don't really know, but as a lot of people have said before, maybe Jack needs a friend more than a lover. Sure, one can be the other too, granted, but I think maybe distance, the influence of a friend - an actual friend now Jack is more able to integrate with others without expecting eventual betrayal - and an adventure or two of her own where she finds herself drawn to making more rational choices (perhaps even heroic ones) might make her realise what she had with Shepard, how he has touched her and how she has subconciously sabotaged her own happiness (a realisation that her "feelings" about things are wrong at times), but now she has the belief in her self-worth to go back, find Shepard and try and want to work to put things right as opposed to just not trying... he might not be interested, but she's willing to risk her feelings to find out.

Like I said, I'm not sure about details, but I can see a sorta Gone With The Wind kinda vibe to it all, only with more biotics and bad language A kind of voyage of discovery so Jack can return a complete woman in her own right - one who found herself after all (plus doing it without Shepard makes her truly distinct, complete, and fills that gap of identity)... and take her man back. And if he blows her off, she'll walk away the stronger for it, not broken by it.

Not that he would if I was in charge of the typewriter at least

Modifié par Mondo47, 16 août 2010 - 02:44 .

[axl99]

[*is so glad people have glossed over her crappy excuses of literature in favour of something more tasteful.]

[MHRazer]

Sundown Native wrote...

Never actually proofread that one. And the others, not as much as I should have.

I'll look harder, next time.

Oh it's no big deal. I wouldn't have even said anything but they were so close together I figured it was worth mentioning.

Also, I'm all for mushy fics. I don't come here to get my sad on. Happy Jack is happy!