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[revan11exile]

Jacob is a good character a always use him and Jack together with my Shepard vanguard(Bad A** Team)

[BobbyTheI]

It's funny, I hear people complain that, "Why is it in all these games that every member of my crew is psychologically messed up and needs me to solve all their personal problems?  Why can't we have a character who's just normal?"  And then we get Jacob, and other people complain, "Man, that character is so boring!"

BioWare just can't win.

[TobiasRieper]

I wouldn't mind Jack having hair in ME3, maybe if you're having the paragon romance with her, she'd become less 'angry' at the world around her and feel some love/protection/happiness.



She'd still be a bad ass super biotic. She'd still fight like a crazed banshee (to defend her Shepard). But she'd be a bit more ... healed.



Get her short hair (like this and get her to wear some armour (get everyone who enters combat to wear some kind of armour for that matter, I dislike having people running around in light clothing during a firefight, especially since they're my team.



She could still walk around in her signature outfit inside the Normandy though. ^^

[Firmijn]

BobbyTheI wrote...

It's funny, I hear people complain that, "Why is it in all these games that every member of my crew is psychologically messed up and needs me to solve all their personal problems?  Why can't we have a character who's just normal?"  And then we get Jacob, and other people complain, "Man, that character is so boring!"

BioWare just can't win.

so true. everybody complains about the cliché characters, but the only normal one (with a ''common'' :innocent: daddy-issue) is considered boring.
But i prefer the cliché ones.. Imagine a Normandy full of Jacobs:P

[Azint]

BobbyTheI wrote...

It's funny, I hear people complain that, "Why is it in all these games that every member of my crew is psychologically messed up and needs me to solve all their personal problems?  Why can't we have a character who's just normal?"  And then we get Jacob, and other people complain, "Man, that character is so boring!"

BioWare just can't win.

If you try to please all you end up pleasing none.

People have seriously got to calm down.

[Jackal904]

revan11exile wrote...

Jacob is a good character a always use him and Jack together with my Shepard vanguard(Bad A** Team)

Ya I was just kidding. He's a kool guy I just wish he would loosen up a bit.

[BobbyTheI]

Azint wrote...
People have seriously got to calm down.

There are SO many things you could say that about on these forums, too. 

Honestly, half the time I go on the more active character threads, this is all I can think about.

[Azint]

Really, I'm inciting fire just by posting in character threads besides my usual.

Just let them have their fun, they are a lot more polite when happy.

[BobbyTheI]

Azint wrote...

Really, I'm inciting fire just by posting in character threads besides my usual.

Just let them have their fun, they are a lot more polite when happy.

Well, despite my ire, I don't have that much of a problem with the other threads.  I just shake my head when they act like it's a big deal they've got thousands upon thousands of pages, when a good portion of the posts on those pages could fit in a Twitter update.  But we all show our support for our favorite characters in our own ways.

And as I've said many times, I LIKE Tali.  I just don't think she needs my help to show up in ME3.  I like to stick up for the underdogs, that's just my way. 

[Azint]

Yeah, I understand. Well I support all the characters, I actually did like all of them. But some find that ridiculous.

Anyways this is Jack's thread, go on. Support Jack. I support Jack.

[Booglarize]

Yeah, I don't actively dislike any of the characters. In fact, even my least favourite character from the game was leagues ahead of your typical video game character from a non-BioWare game. But I do have my favourites, and like to lend my voice in support for them every now and then.

[A.N.A.N]

TobiasRieper wrote...

I wouldn't mind Jack having hair in ME3, maybe if you're having the paragon romance with her, she'd become less 'angry' at the world around her and feel some love/protection/happiness.

She'd still be a bad ass super biotic. She'd still fight like a crazed banshee (to defend her Shepard). But she'd be a bit more ... healed.

Get her short hair (like this and get her to wear some armour (get everyone who enters combat to wear some kind of armour for that matter, I dislike having people running around in light clothing during a firefight, especially since they're my team.

She could still walk around in her signature outfit inside the Normandy though. ^^

I only play FemSheps, but agree that Jack is a really interesting character. Watching her try so hard in the suicide mission bubble run really cememnted the endearment, especially right at the end. I agree with the above that Jack should loosen up in ME3 based on choices (loyalty mission done, Paragon/Renegade romance, etc.), while still retaining that uniqueness. A design challenge to be sure

[S.DeMarche]

gneissguy2003 wrote...
I've also found it interesting when some people refer to her as looking "boyish" when referring to her body. I guess the best word that I ever found to describe Jack's body would be "lithe". Sure, she's not rocking an oversized rack like Miranda, and she doesn't quite have the ghetto-hips that Tali does, but she still has a purely athletic, female figure... and it's hawt (yeah, I said it).

Personally my taste run towards women who look like Jack, so, yes, I agree..."hawt."

That being said, I do not see her as a LI at all. From the beginning, I only felt a maternal attraction to Jack. Even though there is a only a 10 year(ish) difference in age, emotionally, the difference is great enough for a parent-child relationship to exist. I would have loved it if BioWare had put in conversation trees to allow this relationship.

[Jackal904]

S.DeMarche wrote...

gneissguy2003 wrote...
I've also found it interesting when some people refer to her as looking "boyish" when referring to her body. I guess the best word that I ever found to describe Jack's body would be "lithe". Sure, she's not rocking an oversized rack like Miranda, and she doesn't quite have the ghetto-hips that Tali does, but she still has a purely athletic, female figure... and it's hawt (yeah, I said it).

Personally my taste run towards women who look like Jack, so, yes, I agree..."hawt."

That being said, I do not see her as a LI at all. From the beginning, I only felt a maternal attraction to Jack. Even though there is a only a 10 year(ish) difference in age, emotionally, the difference is great enough for a parent-child relationship to exist. I would have loved it if BioWare had put in conversation trees to allow this relationship.

Ya unfortunately you can't really be just friends with Jack (It doesn't really affect me because I always romance her as male Shepard , but some people just want to be friends with her which I understand). You kind of can as female Shepard but then you'll only have half the amount of dialogue with her than if you were to pursue her paragon romance as male Shepard. And if you are a male Shepard you are really stuck with all or nothing. You can only talk to her 3 times before you start entering romance territory. And if you do enter romance territory and then you tell her you're not looking to form a romantic relationship with her, she'll tell you to **** off lol. You can't really just have friendly conversations with squadmates of the opposite sex in ME2, because if you say you're not romantically interested in them then they'll just stop talking to you. I hope BioWare enables you to have friendship level conversations with squadmates of the opposite sex in ME3.

[Captain Chordata]

BobbyTheI wrote...

It's funny, I hear people complain that, "Why is it in all these games that every member of my crew is psychologically messed up and needs me to solve all their personal problems?  Why can't we have a character who's just normal?"  And then we get Jacob, and other people complain, "Man, that character is so boring!"

BioWare just can't win.

People complain to complain at times. Hell, some people claim to dislike certain characters without bothering to learn their backstory or paying attention to character development. Personally, Mass Effect is one of the only series I've played where I like all my party members (except Zaeed, but flat characters dropped into the game from a DLC don't count ) so I just don't get why some characters get all the flak they do.

Anyway, I found the most interesting characters in ME2 to be Miranda and Jack. When you analyze their histories, they actually have quite a bit in common. Both had traumatic childhoods, both have serious trust issues, and both have some serious insecurity problems.

Right now, I'm going through ME2 with my old renegade Shep. Thought it might be interesting for him to have a Paragon romance with Jack since I've had him act hard but still does Paragon actions every once in a while, using the guide of "What would John McClane Do?" I wanted him to start Renegade but mellow out as the trilogy went on, eventually becoming mostly Paragon by the end of the third. Wasn't going to have him romance anyone at first, though Jack and her story just seems to fit so well with him.

So I want to see Jack and Shep kick TIM's ass together in three. Would be a great ending for their personal stories, I think.

[Noilly Prat]

I just thought of a quick question. I'm about 102% sure this must have come up a time or two by now, so I apologize in advance for being behind, but does Jack have any unique, romance-related dialogue after the ending, like Tali's little "totally worth it" bit?



I'm kind of guessing no, since I romanced her on my second playthrough and the only thing she said to me after the end had to do with the ending decision. Still, I could have missed out somehow. (Tali and Jack are the only romances I've seen so far, so I have no idea whether the other love interests have a special post-game dialogue.)

[Occams Razor 17]

Noilly Prat wrote...

I just thought of a quick question. I'm about 102% sure this must have come up a time or two by now, so I apologize in advance for being behind, but does Jack have any unique, romance-related dialogue after the ending, like Tali's little "totally worth it" bit?

I'm kind of guessing no, since I romanced her on my second playthrough and the only thing she said to me after the end had to do with the ending decision. Still, I could have missed out somehow. (Tali and Jack are the only romances I've seen so far, so I have no idea whether the other love interests have a special post-game dialogue.)

What did she say regarding the ending decision?  She didn't acknowledge the ending at all in either of my playthroughs.

Modifié par Occams Razor 17, 10 mars 2010 - 05:02 .

[Noilly Prat]

Occams Razor 17 wrote...


What did she say regarding the ending decision?  She didn't acknowledge the ending at all in either of my playthroughs.

Okay, now you've got me a bit worried that I'm just crazy and imagined the whole thing in both of my playthroughs.

I'm pretty sure she did mention it both times for me, and I think that, in my second playthrough, where I opted to follow the Illusive Man's wishes at the end, she expressed some concern over doing what he wanted and hoped it wouldn't come back to bite me on the ass, in so many words.  I don't remember her exact words.

[gneissguy2003]

Noilly Prat wrote...

Occams Razor 17 wrote...


What did she say regarding the ending decision?  She didn't acknowledge the ending at all in either of my playthroughs.

Okay, now you've got me a bit worried that I'm just crazy and imagined the whole thing in both of my playthroughs.

I'm pretty sure she did mention it both times for me, and I think that, in my second playthrough, where I opted to follow the Illusive Man's wishes at the end, she expressed some concern over doing what he wanted and hoped it wouldn't come back to bite me on the ass, in so many words.  I don't remember her exact words.

As far as your decision on whether or not to blow up the Collector base, Jack can and does comment on it with her attitude basically being that she's happy if you blow it up or concerned if you saved it for TIM.

As for post-suicide mission dialogue concerning her romance, unfortunately Bioware didn't put anything in for it. Whether it was because they didn't plan ahead, didn't have the time or money, or something else altogether isn't something we're ever likely to know. So, that's sad... but at least Jack gets one heck of a romance scene compared to the others'. 

[BobbyTheI]

Noilly Prat wrote...

Occams Razor 17 wrote...


What did she say regarding the ending decision?  She didn't acknowledge the ending at all in either of my playthroughs.

Okay, now you've got me a bit worried that I'm just crazy and imagined the whole thing in both of my playthroughs.

I'm pretty sure she did mention it both times for me, and I think that, in my second playthrough, where I opted to follow the Illusive Man's wishes at the end, she expressed some concern over doing what he wanted and hoped it wouldn't come back to bite me on the ass, in so many words.  I don't remember her exact words.

Heh, I had the same thing going trying to puzzle out the magic advertisment a while back.  "Wait, it's saying 'Miss Lawson,' and I didn't romance Miranda!  WHAT'S GOING ON?"

You know, it's weird, but I honestly don't remember Jack saying anything after the final mission, either.  Maybe it was because she was the romance and got locked into "You know that feeling when you think you're alone..." mode.

Regardless, a thread a while back said it perfectly: treat the post suicide mission timeframe like the post-killing the archdemon section in DA:O:  it isn't REALLY happening, it's just a convenience so people don't have to replay the prologue just to play DLC.  I doubt anything happening there (maybe the last lines each character has, but that's it) is really canon.

[Ferocious7]

Astranagant wrote...

Jack had potential, but they railroaded her into the cliche "tough girl/damaged goods" role rather than bothering to give her any depth.

She's still got the prettiest face out of both ME's.  haha,  but still... if you think she's cliche, so is the entire cast from both ME's and pretty much any RPG ever created.   Every character will have what you are considering, a cliche side... however I think she's definitely one of the most unique characters, as well as is the rest of the cast.

So in short, you fail.  This thread moves fast enough to where I probably won't see your post, just know that I know that you know that I know that you fail.  =)

[Seraphael]

BobbyTheI wrote...

It's funny, I hear people complain that, "Why is it in all these games that every member of my crew is psychologically messed up and needs me to solve all their personal problems?  Why can't we have a character who's just normal?"  And then we get Jacob, and other people complain, "Man, that character is so boring!"

BioWare just can't win.

My thoughts precisely. I find too many are working so hard at sounding jaded that some just wind up sounding like the worst possible combination of the characters they deplore; having boring psychological problems.

Azint wrote...

If you try to please all you end up pleasing none.

People have seriously got to calm down.

Wow. Refreshing attitude for a Tali(ban)ist.

[Epantiras]

Jacob's upgrades save Jack!?

I approve +10

[Mondo47]

Seraphael wrote...
Wow. Refreshing attitude for a Tali(ban)ist.

They're not a bad lot if you ask me... I've only ever had the fumbling, semi-tragic attempts at being schooled electronically (rendered doubly-hilarious by the fact I'm probably almost old enough to be their mommy... got to get an I'm-not-that-old disclaimer in there ) from Miridians.

I once made the foul and heinous suggestion in their fan-thread that her and Jacob had been in a relationship once and they went all...



...on me. Once I'd stopped laughing and dried my eyes I figured I'd best not go back there... might have been too much for their poor wittle selves

[royceclemens]

That... makes no sense whatsoever. How does their thought process go? "Miranda is thirty-five years old, beautiful and assertive, BUT SHE STAYED A VIRGIN FOR MY SHEPARD!"



It just dawned on me that Jack is the only female LI with a "track record" that she cares to talk about. Tali and Liara are virgins and the rest don't say anything. So logic can be ignored (in the case of Miranda and Ashley) and pretend that they remained unsullied until Shepard happened to trip over them.



But Jack has a past, so now it's "She's not ladylike," and "Gee, I wish she'd get rid of those tattoos" and "I never buy Jacob's plating." All sad ways of saying "I can't ****** to this."



Of course that's just my opinion. But does anyone else here think that this might be a cause of some of the venom we've seen towards Jack? Could this all be just simple Puritanism?