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jack is the best.


It's true!  :happy:

Also, hi.

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The image of Jack doing her taxes is hilarious.  Just sayin'.  :lol:

This idea brings forth epic-type thoughts. That would be a hilarious idea for a fic

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.....hi...???



Any way i just did my first paragon romance with jack and i will say that she is the most human of all the squadmates.



Man it was hillarios to she jack thrown off guard when i sayd that i stay with her, i also got a funny line from shepard talking about everyone is crazy on this ship and that he has allready been dead.



I am just a sucker for wet eye jack......also i like her hairstyle.

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I wonder if Jack has to pay taxes since she is basically off the grid. Even if taxes exist in the Mass Effect universe I doubt Jack would ever pay them anyway.

I wonder how Jacks missing Identity would effect her relationship with Shepard. How does Jack get pass Bailey and that Turian scanner back on the citadel anyway?

Perhaps if Jack does register her name to become part of the galactic community for whatever reason does that mean all those crimes she did not answer to will catch up to her? Would Jack have to live a clandestine lifestyle is she is in a relationship with Shep since the spot light is aways on Shepard?


Well, think about it this way. What if Shep once more becomes a big figure in the media? Ok, we don't know if there are going to be any repercussion for Shepard's work with Cerberus until ME3 breaks, but let's say that Shep just settles back into being the first human Spectre. He's news. And if douchebags like al-Jilani are following his every move, the galaxy is gonna see Jack. Christ, Thane shows up on Illium to kill someone, the whole place is talking about him!

Think what it's like today; some pop star makes out with some actor at some party and 24 hours later the whole world knows, some actress goes topless in San Tropez and the planet gets to see her nipples too... in the future it can only be worse - tiny robocameras that get into your home, hacked computer systems and omnitools feeding back live video, microbugs on clothing, even real scary sh*t like smartdust circuits that sit on your uncleaned shelves and record sound until the cleaning lady sweeps them up and hands them over to a reporter for a couple of hundred creds. Eventually the world will know, be it from a kiss in a doorway, some innocent holding-of-hands, whatever... eventually their relationship will be public.

On top of that, there are natural issues. Ok, Jack seems not to exist, and chances are if someone was to dig, they'd not find anything about the Cerberus programme that created her; they won't let that stuff get out. But the other crimes she's responsible for? That might get discovered eventually. And naturally, someone might want to start something out of how Commander Shepard's "companion" bears an uncanny resemblance to a woman responsible for doing unsanctioned landscaping on hanar property. I can see maybe some reporter-punching in Shep's future... Jack doing reporter-punching would be messy. And very litigious.

I suppose there's a chance that Cerberus might try to erase a lot of Jack's criminal record in Citadel-space at least. Someone smart enough and nosy enough might well find the trail goes back to the secret black-budgets of the Alliance Command and that murky splinter paramilitary group known as Cerberus. It might be in their interests to run a little damage limitation there, or if Shep pissed off TIM too much, he might let it slide to use Shep's attachment to Jack as leverage... "I can make all this disappear, Shepard, if..."

Then again... can you see anyone in Citadel-space try to take a criminal away from a Spectre? Shep could always say Jack was working within his custody, or was released in order to operate under his congnizance, or he could always pull a Migrant Fleet and try and spin it that her criminal past is balanced out by the fact she was a key part to Shepard saving countless lives from the Collectors...

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Mondo, your smartdust idea made me think of Spider Jerusalem, and Jack as Spider Jerusalem, and that made me smile. Then, I thought about how the effect smartdust has on Spider in Transmetropolitan, and it made me frown. Then, I thought of Spider, as Jack, at the end of Transmetropolitan, and it made me smile.

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That was infopollen, and technically not-doable - smartdust is very different... and distressingly, almost very real :o (though I'm not scared of silly 'grey goo' scenarios, just the idea of some f*cker listening to everything all the time - thought police anyone?) I think I'd rather have the premature dementia of sniffing the wrong flowers.

I can see Jack having a garden though, and growing strawberries and cucumber, and I think she'd like Spider's cat too.

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Smartdust, infopollen, similar things. I was thinking more that Spider gets sick from the infopollen, and Jack could suffer from her neural degeneration, though all the while, they're being awesomely badass.

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Don't worry, that came across a lot more pedantic than I wanted it to. I know where you were coming from - just one's nearly-real, and the other one is probably a century off at least.

Inhalable computers though that upload directly to the brain? That's hardcore!

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Sometimes I think that Jack & renegade Shepard are more compatible together, than Jack and a paragon Shepard are.

Edit:  Actually, that would make for some pretty interesting fanfic, I think.  I'm not a writer, but I would think that it would be even easier to write, since Jack's renegade characterstics and her history is there already in front of us. 

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 20 août 2010 - 02:09 .


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Perhaps someone with Renegade-ish elements, or with more moral flexibility (not one of my Sheps is 'pure' Paragon or Renegade), but a pretty solid Renegade Shep... can someone like that care about anyone other than themselves? That's got to be a fine line between actually caring for Jack and just using feelings to keep a solid biotic about with the benefit of getting her in the sack.

Blame them mommy-genes again, but Jack deserves better than that.

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Mondo47 wrote...
Perhaps someone with Renegade-ish elements, or with more moral flexibility (not one of my Sheps is 'pure' Paragon or Renegade), but a pretty solid Renegade Shep... can someone like that care about anyone other than themselves? That's got to be a fine line between actually caring for Jack and just using feelings to keep a solid biotic about with the benefit of getting her in the sack.
Blame them mommy-genes again, but Jack deserves better than that.

Jack's a renegade.  Can she care for anyone other than herself?  Ever hear of Bonnie and Clyde?  A renegade Shepard can be no more caring for himself, than Jack can be about herself, I would think.  As far as getting in the sack goes, women like it just as much as men do, if not more so.

Edit:  I missed "solid renegade", which I assume means pure renegade.  I'm not talking about 100% pure renegade.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 20 août 2010 - 03:09 .


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I agree with Mondo. Renegade Shepard might act more like Jack, and being around Paragon Shepard might be an unsettling contrast for Jack, but as far as the relationship goes, she would need to know that she can trust Shepard, above all else.

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Really? How can I trust one Shepard over the other? It's the decisions that speak for themselves right? Just because a Shepard has more Renegade points than paragon points, doesn't make him untrustworthy.  Shepard has to trust Jack as well, right?  Is she trustworthy?

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As I said, Jack needs to know that she can trust Shepard. Trust that isn't mutual is meaningless. If Shepard doesn't think that he can trust Jack, he has no reason to be trustworthy for Jack. Are you saying that Jack has ulterior motives?

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As I said, just because a Shepard has more renegade points than paragon points, doesn't make him untrustworthy.

Are you saying Shepard has ulterior motives?  Is Jack trustworthy?

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 20 août 2010 - 03:06 .


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Why mention that this is Renegade Shepard in the first place, then, JD?

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8 posts up ^.  Why are you evading my statements and questions?

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 20 août 2010 - 03:16 .


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JohnnyDollar wrote...

8 posts up ^.  Why are you evading my statements and questions?


I wasn't aware that I was evading your statements and questions.   I wasn't aware that you were being arguing seriously, either, because I was picking up inconsistencies in your line of reasoning.

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8 posts up ^.  Why are you evading my statements and questions?

I wasn't aware that I was evading your statements and questions.   I wasn't aware that you were being arguing seriously, either, because I was picking up inconsistencies in your line of reasoning.

I'm not that serious.  Maybe being a little argumentative, which is nothing new for me. :P  I'm being provocative here though, admittedly.   No more provocative than what we was talking about yesterday though, I don't think. 

Jack is multifaceted.  Wouldn't you say?  So far, about all I've seen, is mostly one side of the equation.  Regarding conversations in this thread, and fanfic.

I don't always buy into this notion that Shepard has to be the dashing paragon knight, and Jack is the fairy princess(bit of obvious hyperbole here).  That's nice, and there is nothing wrong with it, but let's not fool ourselves here.  Jack is a killer and a thief. 

It sounds to be a bit hypocritical to me, to say that Jack has to be with a paragon Shepard, or a Shepard that has made just a few renegade decisions, in order to trust him.  Because she needs to be with someone who she can trust.  While at the same time, apparently, assume that Jack is trustworthy.  Or maybe excuse Jack in this equation, but not Shepard, and also apparently assume that a renegade Shepard has to be untrustworthy.

 

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It seemed to me that you were saying that Jack can get along with a Renegade Shepard, but then you went on to downplay the differences between Paragon and Renegade Shepard.  If there is no difference, and the difference is instead with the player, and not the Shepard and his alignment, it made me think that you were being silly with an argument that plays on a reverse-twist of the Continuum fallacy.

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yorkj86 wrote...

It seemed to me that you were saying that Jack can get along with a Renegade Shepard, but then you went on to downplay the differences between Paragon and Renegade Shepard.  If there is no difference, and the difference is instead with the player, and not the Shepard and his alignment, it made me think that you were being silly with an argument that plays on a reverse-twist of the Continuum fallacy.

I'm talking about a difference with Shepard and his alignment.  He's a renegade, not 100% renegade, but still  renegade nonetheless.  I'm not talking about the player.  If you believe that my reasoning is fallatious, then please elaborate.

Does a renegade Shepard have to be untrustworthy?  Is Jack trustworthy?

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I'm talking about a difference with Shepard and his alignment.  He's a renegade, not 100% renegade, but still  renegade nonetheless.  I'm not talking about the player.  If you believe that my reasoning is fallatious, then please elaborate.

Does a renegade Shepard have to be untrustworthy?  Is Jack trustworthy?


Am I supposed to view this from the perspective of a Shepard who is pursuing her, or a Shepard who is already in a relationship with her?

If this Shepard is Renegade enough to sacrifice a teammate's life to get the job done, as Jack might do herself, in committing a crime, then it would be hypocritical of this Shepard to dismiss her for her questionable trustworthiness.  This is one way things could result in a mess, between Renegade Shepard and Jack.  Neither of them would think they could fully trust each other.  It might be a relationship built upon the understanding of instability.

This might be where some people are coming from, in saying that a more Paragon Shepard is more fitting for a pairing with Jack.  If she sees that he is willing to stand by his Paragon convictions, then she has more reason to trust him.

Jack's trustworthiness is proportionate to the trustworthiness she sees in Shepard.

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Am I supposed to view this from the perspective of a Shepard who is pursuing her, or a Shepard who is already in a relationship with her?

Haven't given it that much thought.  Either or, I suppose.

If this Shepard is Renegade enough to sacrifice a teammate's life to get the job done, as Jack might do herself, in committing a crime, then it would be hypocritical of this Shepard to dismiss her for her questionable trustworthiness.  This is one way things could result in a mess, between Renegade Shepard and Jack.  Neither of them would think they could fully trust each other.  It might be a relationship built upon the understanding of instability.

First, your example is a bit vague to me.  Troops have sacrificed their lives in battle, since practically the beginning of the first confrontations between Humans on earth.  I don't see how this woud necessarily mean that the Commander/leader of those troops is untrustworthy, though. 

However your statement seems to bring up the question of Jack's questionable trustworthiness, and her being in a relationship with paragon Shepard.  Concerning possible instability, and how paragon Shepard may not be able to trust Jack.

Jack's trustworthiness is proportionate to the trustworthiness she sees in Shepard.

I would say that this is incorrect.  Jack's trustworthiness is based on her actions, and her actions alone, not proportional to Shepard's.  Shepard's trustworthiness is based on his actions, and his actions alone, not proportional to Jack's. 

This might be where some people are coming from, in saying
that a more Paragon Shepard is more fitting for a pairing with Jack.  If
she sees that he is willing to stand by his Paragon convictions, then
she has more reason to trust him.

First of all, I would like to know how a character's trustworthiness has to be proportional to another character's trustworthiness.  And what of paragon Shepard and Jack's trustworthiness?

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 20 août 2010 - 05:39 .


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I have to go to bed. I'll get back to you tomorrow, JD.

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I'm going to bed too. Talk to you later.  I think a renegade Shepard and Jack would make for some pretty interesting fanfic.  I may write one.  Although I am not an aspiring writer, and never have been.:P

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 20 août 2010 - 05:57 .