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There are also lines where Meer is spot on and Hale is overly emotional.  I have a feeling that they wanted Manshep to have the dialogue the way that Meer said it.  Meer has done other voice work and conveyed emotion.... but seriously.... you expect a battle hardened soldier to phased by the crap that Shepard faces?

That was what the other member posted in response to my question in the manShep thread.  I do agree that a battle hardened soldier is going to be resistant to displaying and feeling emotions that others wouldn't be resistant to.  However, even the most battle hardened soldiers are still susceptible to some emotion.  Especially in combat.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
There are also lines where Meer is spot on and Hale is overly emotional.  I have a feeling that they wanted Manshep to have the dialogue the way that Meer said it.  Meer has done other voice work and conveyed emotion.... but seriously.... you expect a battle hardened soldier to phased by the crap that Shepard faces?

That was what the other member posted in response to my question in the manShep thread.  I do agree that a battle hardened soldier is going to be resistant to displaying and feeling emotions that others wouldn't be resistant to.  However, even the most battle hardened soldiers are still susceptible to some emotion.  Especially in combat.


And he does show some emotion... but I feel like Hale is a lttle overly emotional (do to voice directing I'm assuming... just like Meer).

Example... if Manshep romanced Ashley and they meet on Horizon... then his call to Joker after the meeting with her is slightly sadder and depressing.  Femshep has the same thing happen with Kaidan... but it is more noticable with Manshep.

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NICKjnp wrote...
And he does show some emotion... but I feel like Hale is a lttle overly emotional (do to voice directing I'm assuming... just like Meer).

Example... if Manshep romanced Ashley and they meet on Horizon... then his call to Joker after the meeting with her is slightly sadder and depressing.  Femshep has the same thing happen with Kaidan... but it is more noticable with Manshep.

I never noticed that with manShep.  I suppose because I skip through so much dialog nowadays.    My first playthrough was a Shep that romanced Liara.  I didn't romance any ME1 LIs with FemShep.

I do agree that Hale overdoes it in quite a few instances.  An example of one of Hale's deliveries that I don't like, is whenever you use that paragon interrupt with Kal Reegor.  Telling him not to take one for the team and stand down.  It just doesn't sound right to me.  There are several instances about Hale's delivery that I feel the same way about.

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yorkj86 wrote...

So, Tali gets her own t-shirt, on the Bioware store. If you had to design a single item of Jack-related merchandise, what would it be?


A long-sleeved shirt with her ink on, down the arms, and back and front. 

That would be feck'n sweet

Be more a girl shirt, really, but it'd look cool, regardless.

Oops.  Beaten to it - don't matter - still cool.   :)

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A long-sleeved shirt with her ink on, down the arms, and back and front. 

That would be feck'n sweet

Does that come with the belt bra?

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yorkj86 wrote...

So, Tali gets her own t-shirt, on the Bioware store. If you had to design a single item of Jack-related merchandise, what would it be?

Gotta keep it simple with T-shirts if you want them to be wearable, unless you can pull off something really artistic. 

I'd take a shirt that just had Jack's Omega tattoo across the back; same size. If that's too empty (it might be) or they need something on the front, it might look good with the Omega symbol and her tree tattoo going across the side in the same place she has it. You wouldn't have anything on the front except part of the tree coming over from the side, which I think would look cool.

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JakeMacDon wrote...
A long-sleeved shirt with her ink on, down the arms, and back and front. 

That would be feck'n sweet

Does that come with the belt bra?


Optional.    ^_^

I mean, c'mon - Jack's uber-tough - that ink goes over those nips.  They ain't there to see, I'd wager.  That stoopid "bra" is only there to guard against the delicate sensibilities of those gamers who lean more to being complete ******. 

What a feck'n load that is.  I'll take naked ****** over spattered brains any day.

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MHRazer wrote...

*SNIP*

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C'mon - wouldn't that whole thing look wicked on a T?  Throw in the surgical overlays, and the lot.  Skip the bra and hidden nips (sheesh). 

It'd be epic as a shirt. 

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 28 août 2010 - 05:51 .


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yorkj86 wrote...

So, Tali gets her own t-shirt, on the Bioware store. If you had to design a single item of Jack-related merchandise, what would it be?


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I WANT THOSE BOOTS. NOW.


:D

But yes, a T-shirt with her tattoos or her black silouette (as seen in the screenshot you guys posted) would be great.
The only problem is that I'd probably never buy it anyway, as the parcel will probably get lost during its long journey from America to Europe. In Italy things get lost from Rome to Venice, just to make an example.

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So, this means to help out Epantiras, a fellow Jackolyte, we need to pool money to build a giant cannon, and fire the parcel across continents.

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^It's a legitimate strategy.

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JakeMacDon wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...
A long-sleeved shirt with her ink on, down the arms, and back and front. 

That would be feck'n sweet

Does that come with the belt bra?


Optional.    ^_^

I mean, c'mon - Jack's uber-tough - that ink goes over those nips.  They ain't there to see, I'd wager.  That stoopid "bra" is only there to guard against the delicate sensibilities of those gamers who lean more to being complete ******. 

What a feck'n load that is.  I'll take naked ****** over spattered brains any day.



This. Bear in mind the topless concept art. Some puritanical moron at head office (probably one of those f*cking idiots that get all bent out of shape if a woman chooses to breastfeed in a public place) probably thought it'd mean another tirade from sh*t-for-brains conservative journalists about the evils of a game with a topless character <_<

Newsflash - everyone has nipples. What's the big deal?

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It can't be publicity. There's no such thing as bad publicity. It must be some higher-up putting his foot down firmly and saying "No ta-tas. Also, put your foot in your mouth explaining why asari aren't female."

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As far as concept art goes, it evoloves and changes.  The concept art of the final boss, is totally different then what we have in the game for example.  I don't think it has anything to do publicity, either.  Having a squadmate with no type of armor is odd enough.  A topless squadmate aboard ship and in combat is conspicuous to say the least.  Why does Jack need to be topless any more than anyone else? 

Why isn't everyone aboard the Normandy walking around butt naked? Shepard doesn't need armor.  He/she shouldn't have any clothing at all.  Bioware must be a company full of religous zealots.  How dare they clothe any of the characters in a game. 

News flash, men have a penis and women have a vagina.  What's the big deal?

The whole overwhelming majority of the world must be puritanical morons.  Because the only people that I know of that don't wear clothes, are aboriginal/native people.

I don't understand where the hang up is here Mondo.  Unless you got a beef with the concept of wearing clothing, or more specifically, women wearing clothing above the waste. In which case that would rest on the shoulders of society, not some higher up at Bioware.  Unless I'm missing something here.

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My issue is this - the halter serves no purpose other than to cover Jack's nipples. It is a minimal costume; evidently in place to on one hand show off as much of the tattooing as possible (because this is Jack's costume, really), but why opt for something as impractical as the halter? If you want to show off as much of the ink as possible, go the route the art used in the litho being sold went? Or, if boobs are such a touchy subject, why not use the costume as shown in the Blur studios vid? The halter, as much as it's now a part of Jack, needs some logic to hang it on, because as it stands (joking aside) the only thing it hangs on is her nipples.

And why do you keep going on about aboriginal peoples? It's a couple of hundred years in the future - I doubt very much that there won't have been a fashion trend here or there that involved public exposure of taboo areas of the human body (I always used to surmise that the way the material sections of a quarian envirosuit were deliberately pulled to one side of the chest in ME1 that the traditional pre-suitbound-society dress involved an exposed breast). It's occured numerous times through the ages in so-called 'civilised' society. And if the argument is it is there for some form of skin insulation or protection... how the hell does it do more than keep a tiny part of her warm and safe? I just do not buy the argument here.

I'm sorry, but we're going to contine to agree to disagree on this one, Johnny. If it's not there just to shield our fwagile little minds from bits of Jack we're not supposed to see for risk of us being depraved or corrupted, then at least give us a clue why. Most of the appearance designs that have appeared involved more clothing than now, so it just seems to me facile to argue the logic behind the damn thing. I don't dislike it, I just find the most logical conclusion for its existence a little patronising in the 21st century (or the 22nd for that matter).

Oh, and currently, I don't have a shirt on ^_^

Modifié par Mondo47, 28 août 2010 - 05:11 .


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Ultai wrote...

Another photo released from that cosplay pic someone linked a few pages ago.

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Yup... I'm not sure if someone has posted the link already, but the full shoot and details can be found here. Really impressive, I think.

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My issue is this - the halter serves no purpose other than to cover Jack's nipples. It is a minimal costume; evidently in place to on one hand show off as much of the tattooing as possible (because this is Jack's costume, really), but why opt for something as impractical as the halter? If you want to show off as much of the ink as possible, go the route the art used in the litho being sold went? Or, if boobs are such a touchy subject, why not use the costume as shown in the Blur studios vid? The halter, as much as it's now a part of Jack, needs some logic to hang it on, because as it stands (joking aside) the only thing it hangs on is her nipples.

And why do you keep going on about aboriginal peoples? It's a couple of hundred years in the future - I doubt very much that there won't have been a fashion trend here or there that involved public exposure of taboo areas of the human body (I always used to surmise that the way the material sections of a quarian envirosuit were deliberately pulled to one side of the chest in ME1 that the traditional pre-suitbound-society dress involved an exposed breast). It's occured numerous times through the ages in so-called 'civilised' society. And if the argument is it is there for some form of skin insulation or protection... how the hell does it do more than keep a tiny part of her warm and safe? I just do not buy the argument here.

I'm sorry, but we're going to contine to agree to disagree on this one, Johnny. If it's not there just to shield our fwagile little minds from bits of Jack we're not supposed to see for risk of us being depraved or corrupted, then at least give us a clue why. Most of the appearance designs that have appeared involved more clothing than now, so it just seems to me facile to argue the logic behind the damn thing. I don't dislike it, I just find the most logical conclusion for its existence a little patronising in the 21st century (or the 22nd for that matter).


This.  In Canada, it is perfectly legal for a woman to go topless, in public, wherever she chooses. That did not, however, open the floodgates to exposed bewbs everywhere.  It was more having the right to the choice.  Of course, in Canada, we also treat gay people like they were people!  I know, I know, we're a liberal, socialist sinkhole destined for eternal hellfire or some sh!t.

*Shrug* What can you do?

Oh, and currently, I don't have a shirt on ^_^


Me, either!   :lol:

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You know what impresses me about the Jack cosplay is that the girl actually shaved her head to match Jack.

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I got the impression that she's got her head shaved before the shoot not for it.
She looks very young, about 20 or so.

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My issue is this - the halter serves no purpose other than to cover Jack's nipples. It is a minimal costume; evidently in place to on one hand show off as much of the tattooing as possible (because this is Jack's costume, really), but why opt for something as impractical as the halter? If you want to show off as much of the ink as possible, go the route the art used in the litho being sold went? Or, if boobs are such a touchy subject, why not use the costume as shown in the Blur studios vid? The halter, as much as it's now a part of Jack, needs some logic to hang it on, because as it stands (joking aside) the only thing it hangs on is her nipples.

I agree that the purpose is to cover her nipples up, and that's it.  There really is no other purpose  than that.  If there is, I don't know what it is.  Jack's nipples being covered up, just doesn't seem all that strange to me though.  I don't personally have a problem with a character having fully exposed breasts in a video game.  Other than the fact that it would be quite unorthadox, and wouldn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me, unless some of the other characters are topless as well.  I've seen a million breasts, who hasn't?

I would have chosen something other than that belt bra.  No doubt about that.  I may have gone with a bikini top instead.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] So, I agree that the belt bra itself kinda stinks.  Of course the whole outfit makes zero sense anyway.  Who the heck is going to wear that in combat?  I think the squadmates that don't wear armor aboard ship, should change into an armor costume when going on missions.  That makes sense to me.

And why do you keep going on about aboriginal peoples? It's a couple of hundred years in the future - I doubt very much that there won't have been a fashion trend here or there that involved public exposure of taboo areas of the human body (I always used to surmise that the way the material sections of a quarian envirosuit were deliberately pulled to one side of the chest in ME1 that the traditional pre-suitbound-society dress involved an exposed breast). It's occured numerous times through the ages in so-called 'civilised' society. And if the argument is it is there for some form of skin insulation or protection... how the hell does it do more than keep a tiny part of her warm and safe? I just do not buy the argument here.

I'm using aboriginal people, because they are the only ones in the world, that I'm aware of, that usually don't wear clothing.  They haven't evolved hardly at all since the dawn of man.  Other than them, for the most part, women cover their breasts in public.  In other words, I'm saying that this is pretty normal here to me, for Jack to cover her nipples, is all.

I don't know how much of an ifluence religion will have that far in the future.  Or any other influence, for that matter.  None of us know how society is going to be that far in the future.  It just may be the case, that it will be quite normal for people to go in public wearing hardly any clothing on at all.  That's not the case with ME though.  You don't see it anywhere.   The concept that a future "fashion trend here or there that involved public exposure of taboo areas of the human body", apparently does not exist in the ME universe.  Jack not having exposed nipples, does not contradict, or run contrary to the societies that we see in the game.

I'm sorry, but we're going to contine to agree to disagree on this one, Johnny. If it's not there just to shield our fwagile little minds from bits of Jack we're not supposed to see for risk of us being depraved or corrupted, then at least give us a clue why. Most of the appearance designs that have appeared involved more clothing than now, so it just seems to me facile to argue the logic behind the damn thing. I don't dislike it, I just find the most logical conclusion for its existence a little patronising in the 21st century (or the 22nd for that matter).

Oh, and currently, I don't have a shirt on ^_^

Maybe it is patronizing.  Like I said above though, it's not unique to just Jack.  The various people in ME basically look like the people of today.  Of course the other species don't resemble humans, but the clothing that they wear, and the areas that they cover,  isn't much different than what we see today.

I'm not wearing a shirt either btw.:D

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 28 août 2010 - 06:55 .


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I got the impression that she's got her head shaved before the shoot not for it.
She looks very young, about 20 or so.


Actually, she's 28. And it seems she did shave her head especially for the shoot. :happy:

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What the...? Is shirtless-ness the new requirement to post in the Jack thread?

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I just put one on, so I'm breaking the rule.  I got the a/c cranking, and it's cool in here.^_^

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Realistically speaking, having Jack completely topless does cause more problems for Bioware. And we can't really assume (unless there is some dev/writer comment that I am not aware of, which upon writing this I have a suspicion that there may be) that the devs would have gone with her being topless instead of the belt bra had controversy not been a concern.