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[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

What the...? Is shirtless-ness the new requirement to post in the Jack thread?

it's better than pantsless-ness.

[Quaay]

yorkj86 wrote...

What reasons could Jack have for returning for ME3? Are there just too many possible types of Jack (as they are "produced" by Shepard's actions) for her to be included in the third game?

She had someone to finally get to know her and accept her for who she is, someone willing to help her get the info on Cerberus she needed, someone who helped her blow up the base that ruined her childhood.

[NICKjnp]

She is an LI. I think all characters that were or are LI's (and still alive) will be in ME3. Sucks for the fans of the non-LI characters.

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

Return as a squadmate, or as just a cameo, then? Some Liarafans don't seem to think that she'll be back in a major role, saying that there are just too many possible outcomes for her character. Shepard doesn't have to do her loyalty mission, for example.

And if he doesn't then they can say that she did it on her own between games.

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
Doesn't Jack have a very, very low survival score for the suicide mission, unless you do her loyalty mission? That would put her dead in the majority of playthroughs where players didn't do her loyalty mission.

The three things most affected by Jack's loyalty status:

1. Can't hold the biotic barrier, leading to someone's death unless that person is Miranda.

2. Jack, Kasumi, Mordin, and Tali all have the same survival score when it comes time for the squad to Hold the Line. With Jack unloyal, her score is essentially zero. Her survival at that point is pretty grim, but not impossible if you've got Garrus, Grunt, and Zaeed on the defense.

3. Anyone you take to the final boss fight that is unloyal will die.

[Quaay]

lol Miranda is the only one that's ever died in any of my playthroughs. That's what she gets for calling Jack a mistake!

[Razorsedge820]

yorkj86 wrote...

What reasons could Jack have for returning for ME3? Are there just too many possible types of Jack (as they are "produced" by Shepard's actions) for her to be included in the third game?

How many possible Jacks can there be? I thought there was a renegade Jack (chose to take her sex offer, picked her over Miranda during the fight, or dumped her for another LI while pursuing her) and a Paragon Jack ( Refused to take sex offer, romance her, help her on Pragia)

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 28 août 2010 - 10:25 .

[Collider]

It's possible they had Miranda immortal before the hold the line sequence because she's "more important," or that she has certain lines that they wanted the player to hear. Or both.

Anyway, I think Jack will return because she is an LI. There doesn't seem to be much justification for Jack to return if she's unloyal, though.

[Quaay]

They can afford to bring everyone back because they will sell a lot more if they keep the fans happy. Happy fans get their favorite characters, those who don't like a character can kill them off in ME2. Their loss.

[Gethforceone]

Collider wrote...

It's possible they had Miranda immortal before the hold the line sequence because she's "more important," or that she has certain lines that they wanted the player to hear. Or both.
Anyway, I think Jack will return because she is an LI. There doesn't seem to be much justification for Jack to return if she's unloyal, though.

Maybe it will be like Wrex, if you didn't recruit him in ME, they say he died. Same as getting him killed on Virmire.

[Collider]

yorkj86 wrote...

Razorsedge820 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

What reasons could Jack have for returning for ME3? Are there just too many possible types of Jack (as they are "produced" by Shepard's actions) for her to be included in the third game?

How many possible Jacks can there be? I thought there was a renegade Jack (chose to take her sex offer, picked her over Miranda during the fight, or dumped her for another LI while pursuing her) and a Paragon Jack ( Refused to take sex offer, romance her, help her on Pragia)

Renegade Thrust, picked her over Miranda, dumped her, didn't do her loyalty mission.  Then, there are other things, things that could possibly bring her back for ME3 as even more Renegade, like letting her kill Aresh, but then, that just brings us back to the question of whether or not it's logistically possible to bring back a character who can be so diversely affected.

To me there are 3 types of Jack:
1. Unloyal
2. Loyal, unromanced
3. Loyal, romanced

#1 I'd say would not really have a good reason to continue on the squad.
#2 May or may not stay on the squad. I'll lean towards her returning though.
#3 Definitely going to return.

[Chippetg]

Um, hi.



I love Jack. Like, she's my favourite LI and second favourite character.



And ... yeah.



I'll be over here, lurking and hoping for a chance to continue the romance in ME3.



:]

[Gethforceone]

Chippetg wrote...

Um, hi.

I love Jack. Like, she's my favourite LI and second favourite character.

And ... yeah.

I'll be over here, lurking and hoping for a chance to continue the romance in ME3.

:]

Welcome, the more support the better.

[Mondo47]

Warning - this entry was written under the influence of my screaming mouth ulcer - INCOMING!

These threads pop up every few weeks in these parts, usually with really modest titles like "My Exceptionally Logical and Obvious Reasons Why Character/Characters Will NOT be in ME3" (nothing like making out you're the smartest person on the internet, is there... maybe you can claim to be when you make a f*cking game/get somthing published/direct a movie/do something laudable other than sit in your mother's basement and eat f*cking cheetos... you know who you are). Usually they hinge on the argument that not everyone can survive the Suicide Mission (then the slightly smarter but no less patronising morons add "if they do turn up, it'll just be cameos" not that that statement makes their observations less eyeroll-worthy). Fact of the matter is... we just do not know.

I got in an argument the other day with someone (he signed his posts individually - not a good sign to begin with) about physics in the game; this guy claimed to have some teaching knowledge of physics (I can't argue that fact, though he did choose to cite a book I actually own - attempt to lecture me failed) and stated emphatically that FTL is completely impossible, nor will it ever be possible. I demanded proof and a go in the time machine he obviously owns because he knows the future (I'd not go far... a pet deinosuchus and next week's lotto numbers would be far enough). This is the problem I have with all these suppositions - that's all they f*cking are. Because in truth, no-one short of the folk at BioWare know who is coming back and who isn't. And that's as irrefutable as Relativity (no, wait, that could be wrong too ). All we can do is theorise on the route the game may or may not take, and as much like rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic it is, it's kinda fun, and it gives us some hope and expectation as to what we'll see in this series of games we so love. There's nothing wrong with doing it (no matter how cranky I sound about it) but claiming one theory has more validity than another at this point is like the FTL argument - if you're that sure, prove it... if you can't, alas, a theory it only remains. So, without further b*tching, here's my theory (that has been shot down in imaginary flames by more than one idiot before now, but I know you guys are decent enough to hear me out regardless of how much pain I'm obviously in ) -

The upcoming Liara DLC adds another potential branchpoint to the theorising going on en-masse; ok, so we got cameos from all the love interests, and if we didn't let that b*tch Ash shoot the single most loveable candidate for anger-management in the galaxy who doesn't shave her head and cuss constantly, we got Wrex too. Not on the team, but they were there - part of the story. Now the Liara love interest has the potential to be either setup to continue into the third episode or will be concluded. I've compared Shepard before now to James Bond in space... so, how many Bond love interests appear in the next movie? Oh, Moneypenny don't count, 'kay?

If love interests were going to be totally disposable, we'd have just moved on in ME2, so it's not illogical to assume that there is some long-term plan for the love interests from ME1 (the Liara DLC pretty much confirms this to an extent); cameo-rollers are there for a reason. We might equally assume Wrex (or Wreav, largely because Wrex can fill the same role potentially) has the same chance of playing a role later too (otherwise we could put any shmuck on Tuchanka and it would make zero difference). Now, my thoughts at the moment are that should the romance with Liara be drawn to a close in the DLC even for those that chose not to romance a new character that there may well be other DLC to close the other relationships. This would mean no-one is safe from the axe; a move like this does seem to lean towards BioWare clearing the field for whatever is to come next. If we find our love interests from ME1 giving us the "it's not you, it's me" routine, we can assume as such that the other love interests are just the plot window-dressing they are in all reality. The big story is, after all, Shep vs. The Reapers. A hero might have his/her best gal/guy at their side while they save the day, but the love interest is not the engine that drives the story along (unless of course you need him/her to defeat the ultimate Evil with a "love ray" or something ). Either way, we'll have a better idea on the 7th - if Liara says she'll be with us to the very end, chances are all the love interests will make it there in one form or another. If not... we might get an email?

As doom and gloom as this sounds, there's a couple of other things to bear in mind. For a start, BioWare ain't stupid. If they handwave it all without using DLC to conclude surviving episode one romances, they're get ribbed for it; the gaming press will point it out as a plothole you couldn't plug with an almighty krogan penis, and worst of all, the fans will froth and foam like Rage-infectees and vomit blood over BioWare's doorstep until someone slips in the stuff and breaks a leg. BioWare know that these characters are important to folk, and hey, they write better than average stories for their games - chances are, they'll want to tie up all the loose ends in a bow as opposed to just not giving a toss.

But, say the naysayers, everyone can die, even Shepard! So there's the potentiality for ME3 to have a new hero. If Shep didn't make it, no-one else made it either, other than Joker. Joker isn't really likely to make it through the third episode as a hero short of someone curing his brittle bones or giving him Earthworm Jim's super-suit. Soooo, this means entirely new hero? Possibly. The Virmire survivor might make a more poigniant person to fill Shep's boots ("Shepard didn't survive, but you were there at the Battle of the Citadel - no-one else alive is more prepared for the fight to come") than some complete stranger. This also explains why they don't join Shepard beyond a snotty "You're with Cerberus - I don't trust your judgement no more!" - they need to survive to fill Shep's shoes should Shep fail. This doesn't explain who will join Shep-Replacement on the journey of the third episode... could be anyone; maybe Wrex will step back in or donate his best warrior, maybe Garrus has a brother or a surviving Sidonis takes his place in order to atone, maybe Kal Reegar could step in or... we can play this game all night, and not get anywhere near the truth. But I do think personally that if we go to all this effort in ME2 to make the best team of galactic asskickers in history, chances are we'll get to keep the ones that survived. This would mean that even a non-romanced surviving Jack would still be there... chances are we're gonna need a biotic, the strongest one in the galaxy is probably a good place to start

But hey, all this is up in the air. I think on the 7th we'll have a better idea of where we actually stand. Or may stand. Until the game itself is ramping up to release, and we see faces crop up in the advertising, we'll not really be able to be sure. Jack might be there... and at this point, she has as good a chance as anyone else turning up - even Miri of the seeming character-shield... if they bring Yvonne back to voice a character, or Courtenay... now that would be a nice indicator. Not a time machine, but a fair indicator all the same.

Right, I'm now going to rinse my mouth out with cheap whiskey and hopefully not fracture my teeth as I grit them in pain... I may be some time...

Modifié par Mondo47, 29 août 2010 - 12:13 .

[adriano_c]

Mondo47 wrote...

...stated emphatically that FTL is completely impossible, nor will it ever be possible.

What is this, even?

BioWare ain't stupid.

Remains to be seen... They're already trying their hardest to alienate their core fanbase with Dragon Age 2's new direction.

BioWare know that these characters are important to folk...

See Dragon Age cast.