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[Mondo47]

Sundown, just read the new part. Liked it. I'll send you a pm with my only constructive critique

[MHRazer]

 I always though TIM was writing those reports. Now that I think about it, it makes little sense to write reports to yourself... but I still think it's him. They're too biased to be anyone else, even Miranda. Though she'd be my second guess.
@Sundown: Well, I've certainly never read anything like that before :innocent:

I actually didn't want to like it, due to feeling a bit strange with the whole "It's a video game! She's 1's and 0's!" thing, but I couldn't help it. Damn you for making it interesting besides just the *ahem* action, and writing it so well. York is right; that little bout of religiousness was so unexpected, yet really seems to fit. Great call with that.


@Urdaniel: Your apparently exceedingly high standards for your writing are probably what has made Things Worth Keeping so fantastic, but don't be too hard on yourself. I'm sure your non Jack/Shepard writing is more than fine. 

[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...

Sundown Native wrote...

Unrelated Question:

Who do you think writes those reports, on the Mission Complete screen?

Probably Miranda, maybe Kelly.  All I know is that whoever it is, they write the Mission Complete summaries with a bias, and always make Cerberus out to be an exemplary organization with a spotless record.

I think it's Miranda. But what if you play after the suicide mission and she's dead? But you all know that you still get messages from Cerberus whenever you do a sidequest mission even if you gave TIM the finger and destroyed the base. It's just a continuity plot hole.

[Jackal904]

Maybe it's EDI?

[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

I think it's Miranda. But what if you play after the suicide mission and she's dead? But you all know that you still get messages from Cerberus whenever you do a sidequest mission even if you gave TIM the finger and destroyed the base. It's just a continuity plot hole.

She keeps writing the missions complete summaries for the same reason TIM keeps giving Shepard missions after he blows up the collector base - plot hole, like you said, mixed with lack of developer foresight.

I wonder what the mission complete summaries would read like if Jack wrote them, assuming that Miranda has bought it...hmm... 

This needs a quick-fic!

[Gethforceone]

yorkj86 wrote...

Here's my stab at it:

Normandy SR-2, Shepard's Quarters.

Shepard and his squad, including Jack, have just returned from a mission, during which they dispatched a small company of Blue Sun mercenaries.  After a brief visit to Dr. Chakwas to have their injuries looked at, the Commander has dismissed the squad for the time being.

Shepard stands near his bed, having just finished removing his armor.  The datapad laying on his desk beeps, catching his attention.  He walks stiffly over to it to attend to it.  It reads:

"Went in.   Shot people.  Blew **** up.  Got **** done.  Found some shiny rocks.  Found something that "looks interesting".  Mission complete.  You busy tonight?"

Shepard sighs and sits down on his chair, rubbing at his eyes.

That's just great man.

[Shadow555r]

Urdaniel wrote...

The mods apparently got to the pic after a while.  I only caught it myself in a post quoting it before the mods got to that one too.  Probably something to do with posting real faces of posters on the board or similar.

And I'm still stuck on the damned party.  I'm really beginning to think that I've written too much Jack/Shep in isolation and thus have lost whatever touch I may have had re: other characters/interactions outside that pairing.  Utterly frustrating, as I already have Days 6 and 7 all planned out, not to mention one or two side-story projects that occur after they get back - all of which I really want to get started on but can't.  Not to mention one or two other ME-related tales that are probably going to get me crucified and flame-broiled to a fine white ash if they ever see the light of day.  Yes, I'm a bloody tease, but not an idle one. 

Bummer, I've been salivating at the thought of more fanfic from you. Day 4 and 5 were just... so touching and had me hooked. Also one of my other favorite moments was the banter between Jack, Shepard and Admiral Ahern just pricless man. Hope you figure it all out sometime soon.

[MHRazer]

yorkj86 wrote...

Here's my stab at it:

Normandy SR-2, Shepard's Quarters.

Shepard and his squad, including Jack, have just returned from a mission, during which they dispatched a small company of Blue Sun mercenaries.  After a brief visit to Dr. Chakwas to have their injuries looked at, the Commander has dismissed the squad for the time being.

Shepard stands near his bed, having just finished removing his armor.  The datapad laying on his desk beeps, catching his attention.  He walks stiffly over to it to attend to it.  It reads:

"Went in.   Shot people.  Blew **** up.  Got **** done.  Found some shiny rocks.  Found something that "looks interesting".  Mission complete.  You busy tonight?"

Shepard sighs and sits down on his chair, rubbing at his eyes.

Made me laugh. Perfect little quickfic 

[...mortaL]

*sigh* ,,, i was gone a few months and so i have to sift through all these pages..



just wanted to chime in and say that it's good to see that i'm not the only one who's romanced the most gorgeous female in the verse.. (even if it seems i'm a little late..)





well.. onto page nr 86.. read y'all in a couple of weeks..

[Epantiras]

rant mode on



If anyone of you is disgusted by the amount of immature talk in a certain thread about "slapping Miranda" (which turned into a anti-Miranda / anti-Jack topic), raise their hands. Reminds me of Mondo's post about how immature some d*ckheads are. Sigh.



I should have posted my Disgusted WTF Jack pic, but that thread was so awful that it didn't deserve the awesomess.







rant mode off

[Mondo47]

York, Big E, I thought about replying to both those threads in a hellfire and brimstone capacity, then thought why the hell bother? It'd be like trying to canoe the Atlantic ocean... <_<

[Collider]

Yea, there's plenty of nastiness on this forum. It's mind boggling. A lot of the time I don't feel like it's worth posting outside of the character threads or groups, because there is always going to be some belligerent idiot bothering me otherwise.

[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...
Who's going to be taking screenshots of Jack on the Shadow Broker missions?

I'll bring my dream team, as I did with the Overlord DLC, aka Thane & Jack and press the screencap button as fast and as much as I can :happy:

[Mondo47]

I mean, it is all horses for courses; the other day I half-joked that since there's a Slap Morrigan mod, if they made a Punch Alistair mod, I'd play DA:O again. Morrgian's arrogance and lack of empathy irritated me, Alistair's emotional immaturity made me want to backhand him constantly, but that was, in my eyes, why the characters worked. They got a negative response out of me, and while I never warmed to Morrigan, by the end of the game I felt rather parental towards Alistair, because he obviously needed someone to guide him into becoming an adult. So, despite me not liking him much, I sacrificed myself over him.

People don't seem to understand that a negative response is something to examine; you should try and figure out why character x pisses you off so much, see if that makes you examine the character more. I don't like Miranda so much, but I at least understand why a little further than "she's a Cerberus cheerleader" (yes, I'm using that example deliberately). If you just go with the surface of any option, do you learn anything? If you can learn enough from the surface, you're a better person than I... I mean, all those books you'll read from the covers alone, all those movies seen from a poster, all those faraway places from a single photograph... man, with that attitude, you should be ruling the world, not your mother's basement. Alas though, that's the only place you do rule, let's be frank here.

Hating a character is fine, as is liking one, but truly understanding why and being able to elucidate why... now that's an actual opinion, as opposed to a mynah bird squawking "I hate Jack" because it knows that sound gets it a cricket, not because it understands a word of English...

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...
you should try and figure out why character x pisses you off so much, see if that makes you examine the character more.

You're right! I've noticed I usually tend to hate characters that, in my eyes, seem to lack depth and developement. So, I'm not really hating a character, but their "lack of character" (aaahhh bad pun).

One of the reasons I hate that Mass Effect 1 character-that-shall-not-be-named-but-everyone-knows-who-he/she is, it's because I think the writer did a bad job.

[royceclemens]

yorkj86 wrote...

Who's going to be taking screenshots of Jack on the Shadow Broker missions?

I actually have a theory about this new DLC that I've been unwilling to talk about because, quite frankly, I didn't want to get anyone's hopes up...

But when you look at DA:O, its DLC was, what, five bucks?  All of them except Leliana's Story and Witch Hunt, which are apparently fully voiced, thus bringing the price tag up to seven dollars.

So... if we apply that to the ME2 DLC and the jump to ten bucks for LotSB from seven... Does that mean we finally get squaddie banter?

Just a thought.

But going back to Mondo's statements, I can't help but see how Jack's complete bipolar reaction amongst fans can be used as justification that BW did their jobs well.  She was pretty much designed to be as off-putting as humanly possible.  Yeah, you could say the same thing about Morrigan... Except no you can't because how off-putting is a raven-haired, silky-voiced, amber-eyed goth-girl wearing next to nothing who shows up in all the advertising supposed to be?

Jack, on the other hand, seems specifically designed to stick in the craw of every single pleasure-receptor for the average male gamer.  Those hoping and praying for another Rinoa aren't going to be happy with what they find here.  Where RPG love interests are supposed to have locks of an appealing nature, Jack is bald.  Where RPG love interests are supposed to be forthcoming and compliant, Jack will never give you a straight answer.  Where RPG love interests are supposed to be modest yet alluring, Jack shows more skin than an American Apparel model, but said skin is tattooed.

And in what I can only imagine is the most grievous sin a character can commit in this day and age, while RPG love interests are supposed to be unsullied and chaste until the player gets there, Jack is the only male LI in either game that has a sexual history she's willing to talk about. 

So with all this evidence, how can even Jack's most ardent detractors say that she was a miscalculation on behalf of BioWare?  Could it be that this reaction was something BioWare was aware of when they created Jack?  Furthermore, is this something they may have counted on?  

[Collider]

Bioware said that they didn't expect nor make these characters for everyone to like them all.