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[...mortaL]

mhm..

i do realize that she is a criminal, what kind of meaning you put behind that word is something else entirely. sooo.. no i don't think everything she does is somehow justified. nor do i think that a paragon shep has to come to the conclusion that she belongs in prison.. her past defines her personality, i wouldn't go so far as to condone some of the things she's done but i don't condemn her either.



like some people already said.. maybe paragon is more about giving her a second chance than automatically condemning her to a life in prison?



sure some folk might think she's just an abused little girl and that in itself therefore excuses anything she might do or has already done or whatever, but really? put the bong down, hippie

that would be just as stupid as hating her for her looks.



anyway..



ah.. the sidelined thingy.. see.. i was trying to quote someone (or something i really don't remember) and as i was going back to recheck i started reading something on ff.net (or a blog or somewhere)and i totally forgot what i wanted to say.. so in a way.. i was sidelined



could just be that i drank too much and the cat was getting on the keyboard again.. your choice

[MHRazer]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
Seems like you have a vendetta against people who play anything other than Paragade, JD.

No, it's not that.  What I see as hypocrisy?  Yes.   

I'm not sure I've caught exactly where you think the hypocrisy is. Is it that a Paragon Shepard couldn't be compatible with a "Renegade" Jack, but we force it to work anyway? 

[Mondo47]

Shadow555r wrote...

How do we know she's not a serial killer?

Simple. We don't. Though given what behaviour we have seen of her tends to suggest sociopathy, not psychopathy - to me at least. Feel free to disagree. There was a period in my life where I'd get a glorious rush of anticipation and pleasure just before I cracked someone one - this was when I used to do jujutsu. I'd still get it years later - though I'd hardly say it hallmarks me as a potential serial murderer. It's just conditioning. Jack's was reinforced with aversion techniques and drugs, so maybe it spikes higher, but I'd hardly say that her warm feelings are part of a compulsion.

[axl99]

Of course it doesn't. Jack [depending on how you talk to her] makes it a point to tell Shepard she doesn't need anyone making decisions for her. As if the warning signs aren't enough, going down a romance with Jack suggests ignoring moral stances in favour of simply being able to connect on an emotional level. Especially if Shepard has sole survivor/Earthborn background.



I would think that the things Shepard is trying to do for Jack are things he wanted himself.

[Epantiras]

Looks like while I was drawing, you guys brought up an interesting discussion, as usual.



I don't think Jack is a serial killer, one of those who are addicted to murder and must kill or else; pre-loyalty Grunt sounds more like a serial killer than Jack (but that's just krogan puberty).

Still, she *does* have a warm feeling when killing and the only time we see her hesitate is in front of Aresh.



Oh, and that's what I was drawing btw

[adriano_c]

Shepard looks like Fabio Quagliarella in that.

[Epantiras]

adriano_c wrote...

Shepard looks like Fabio Quagliarella in that.

I had to google that name because I had no idea who he was XD I'm a soccer-ignorant Italian.

[smilie]http://www.scrivonapoli.it/images/quagliagol.jpg[/smilie]      

Modifié par Epantiras, 02 septembre 2010 - 10:40 .

[adriano_c]

Epantiras wrote...

I'm a soccer-ignorant Italian.

Embarrassing.

[axl99]

So we've gone from "50 First Dates" to "So I Married an Axe Murderer". Great.

[Gethforceone]

Epantiras wrote...

Looks like while I was drawing, you guys brought up an interesting discussion, as usual.

I don't think Jack is a serial killer, one of those who are addicted to murder and must kill or else; pre-loyalty Grunt sounds more like a serial killer than Jack (but that's just krogan puberty).
Still, she *does* have a warm feeling when killing and the only time we see her hesitate is in front of Aresh.

Oh, and that's what I was drawing btw

Nice pic.
I agree with on Jack, I don't think she's a serial killer, clearly she's a killer, but I think, given what she's been through, that it makes me see it in a slightly different light. It doesn't hand-wave it all away however. 

[drunken pyromaniac]

I think she has killled a series of people, certainly. But I wouldn't call her a serial killer, that designation requires some serious mental illness to be present, I believe.



I do think she has killed people who didn't deserve it however. Though I'm also pretty sure she believes she only kills when she has to or when they deserve it.

I can't see her gunning down a clearly innocent child or anything like that.

[hawat333]

Absolutely. Serial killers are ill. Come on, no mentally normal people is capable of killing people to fulfill their deviant fantasies.

Jack is ill too.



But it's a whole another case. Jack was torn and tortured from the very beginning of her life. And yes, she killed, a lot. But she did it when she felt herself being threatened. And I'm not sure I've ever heard about her killing innocent victims. Well, if she did, those were... collateral damage while fighting someone else. It doesn't justify the body count. Not one bit. But adding it to her past and her constant struggle for survival while being socially ill-developed, it's completely understandable. Even if wrong.



So no, Jack is far, far, far away from being a serial killer.



And pursuing the Paragon path with her there are signs that she is willing (in fact that she is desperately wishing in the very depths of her soul) to change.

(And it's also not a characteristic of serial killers)



In terms of ideals, Miranda represents The Challange, Ashley represents The Women, Liara represents The Innocent, Tali -hell, I always skipped Tali, but as I see- The Admirer and finally, for Jack, Shepard represents The Saviour. See the turn of the emphasis on the character?

That's why I find Jack the most intriguing, and only for more or less Paragon Shepards. For them, Jack needs to be saved from herself or her end will be quick and cruel, utter destruction.

(And being saved... that's not exactly common when it comes to serial killers)