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royceclemens wrote...

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EDIT: Speaking of 4chan, some guy with unverifiable sources claims that PC owners did Miranda's loyalty mission far more often than Xbox360 owners did.  Xbox360 owners did Grunt's loyalty mission far more than PC owners did.  Discuss.


Actually, they're verifiable.  And those stats are straight from the Hudson's mouth, via the interview he did at IGN along with some stats that BW's sharing.  They're currently setting the forum aflame.

So statistically, Jack might be alive in more 360 games than Miranda... Hmm... 


Why does doing Grunt's mission mean Jack lives more?

ps. I always have my entire team fully loyal before I do the Omega mission.

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Here we go.  Crazy ME2 stats.
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html

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yorkj86 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

EDIT: Speaking of 4chan, some guy with unverifiable sources claims that PC owners did Miranda's loyalty mission far more often than Xbox360 owners did.  Xbox360 owners did Grunt's loyalty mission far more than PC owners did.  Discuss.


Actually, they're verifiable.  And those stats are straight from the Hudson's mouth, via the interview he did at IGN along with some stats that BW's sharing.  They're currently setting the forum aflame.

So statistically, Jack might be alive in more 360 games than Miranda... Hmm... 


Ah, I misused the word.  I meant that he wasn't providing sources, which made me doubt the veracity of what he was saying.

My amateur analysis of that information is that Xbox360 owners like the shooting elements of the game more, and prefer characters who don't need complicated motivation for why they shoot things.

How did you reason that Jack might be alive in more 360 games than Miranda?  Does it have to do with Grunt and the suicide mission?


Because a non-loyal Miranda is squishy with a high mortality rate.  If she's holdling the line and Grunt and Zaeed aren't there, she's done.  If you take her with you to fight Pants, she's also done.  Meanwhile, a loyal Miranda, however, is unkillable and will, in fact, outlive you, even if you did everything else wrong. 

Of course, Less people may have done Jack's loyalty mission than Miranda's.  You never know.  I just don't like a non-loyal Miranda's chances.

I don't get how Miranda is the touchy-feely one.  Hell, her loyalty mission's one of my favorites in the game.  If I were gonna place bets on which loyalty mission would be skipped, it'd be either Thane or Samara's, for obvious, non-shooty reasons.

EDIT: For you, JD: http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html

Modifié par royceclemens, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:48 .


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Am I the only one who thinks Jack and Miranda are heading towards some angry hateful sex in the future?

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Thanks for the link royce. http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html
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I'm concerned that the developers will take that "Players skipped 15% of conversations in Mass Effect 2" statistic to heart and make ME3 even less of an RPG.  There are many, many reasons to skip conversations, the least of which is disliking the game's RPG elements.

That the Soldier is the most played class tells me that people might have wanted to play ME2 as a GoW clone with incidental RPG elements.

Modifié par yorkj86, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:52 .


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yorkj86 wrote...

I'm concerned that the developers will take that "Players skipped 15% of conversations in Mass Effect 2" statistic to heart and make ME3 even less of an RPG.  There are many, many reasons to skip conversations, the least of which is disliking the game's RPG elements.

That the Soldier is the most played class tells me that people might have wanted to play ME2 as a GoW clone with incidental RPG elements.

I think he said something in the IGN interview. But it was all "what-if" stuff.

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Does Jack ever mention what type/generation of biotic implants she has?

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Thanks for the link royce. http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html
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Ya..Im one of the 2 people who finished it 28 times...I have a soldier guide and I did various playthroughs...On top of my playthroughs as the different classes...On top of my playthroughs as the different classes as FemShep....On top of my playthroughs as the different classes as Renegade FemShep....Ya.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Does Jack ever mention what type/generation of biotic implants she has?


L5 implants. Or at the very least L4s.

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yorkj86 wrote...

I'm concerned that the developers will take that "Players skipped 15% of conversations in Mass Effect 2" statistic to heart and make ME3 even less of an RPG.  There are many, many reasons to skip conversations, the least of which is disliking the game's RPG elements.

That the Soldier is the most played class tells me that people might have wanted to play ME2 as a GoW clone with incidental RPG elements.


Well, it's a double-edged stat.  Yeah, they skipped fifteen percent, but that means they sat still for EIGHTY-FIVE percent.  That's huge.  I don't think we're in any trouble.

As for the soldier stats?  I think that's also a double-edged stat.  You have to factor in the people who rented the game or borrowed it and left the defaults on.  The sphere of data goes much higher in those cases.

Four people played all the way thorugh twenty-three times on 360?  I think I might be one of them.  I'll get Jack's romance stats up single-handed if need be! 

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Sadly... I think I am as well.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

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I have no trouble beileving that engineer is underused.

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Just_mike wrote...

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Does Jack ever mention what type/generation of biotic implants she has?


L5 implants. Or at the very least L4s.


When does she mention that?  Or who/what mentions that, and when/where?

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Jack mentions it herself. It just happened to me yesterday. I couldn't remember if I gave her the upgrade or not, and asked her when I was talking to her. Turns out that I had given her the upgrade, and she refers to it.  I think that it's referred to somewhere else in the game also.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Does Jack ever mention what type/generation of biotic implants she has?


L5 implants. Or at the very least L4s.


When does she mention that?  Or who/what mentions that, and when/where?


No she doesn't.  She has the schematics for the L5x's is all that we know.  I would assume she was implanted with and L3 since it is mentioned that Teltin was going to try to get involved with the Ascension project (which seems to imply that it was the beginning of the ascension project).  The L4 implants were only invented like 3 or 4 years ealier... Jack seems to have been out on the run for at least 7 or 8 years (if not 10-15).

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In this screenie, I asked her about the upgrade, after I had already given it to her.
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Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:27 .


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Looks like there's some disagreement here.

I'm just trying to figure out if Jack could produce a Singularity.  The flavor ("flavor" being important, possibly meaning that it means nothing) text for the Adept class says that the L5X implant for human biotics lets them produce singularities.  I thought that it was dependent upon training, eezo presence, and amps, more than it was implants.  If Jack does have an L5X, and if that implant lets human biotics do that, she should ideally be able to produce singularities.

EDIT: I guess it also means that Jack is pretty technologically competent, as Mondo seems to believe, if she can figure out implants from just their schematics.

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Theoretically it should be possible for Jack to produce a singularity as much as it should be possible that Samara can do the same. Just not feasible game-wise, as usual.

The idea that Jack having a good memory just by glancing over schematics was something that perked my curiosity for a long time but wasn't really expanded upon in dialogue. Alas.

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I don't think Jack would let just anyone put her under, in order to change her implants. Anyway, I don't think the implant necessarily has anything to do with biotic power, only safety, and minimizing risks to the user.

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L5n's are for Vanguards and apparently let them charge. I'm assuming they put the differences about the implants in the game to give the classes unique flavors. Personally I liked it when it had to do with training and amount of eezo in the user. It would make an adept seem more badass biotically than a vanguard rather than having the difference be due to a variation of an implant.

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The flavor text for the Vanguard's Charge bothers me. Seriously? Phasing through solid matter? Biotics have nothing to do with that. Nerd rage. They just needed a way to explain why they didn't animate Shepard quickly leaping over obstacles along the path of the charge.

All biotics should be able to do these things, given appropriate amounts of element zero in the body, and corresponding training and amps.

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Gethforceone wrote...

I have no trouble beileving that engineer is underused.


No doubt. It's the only class I've not used.

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adriano_c wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

I have no trouble beileving that engineer is underused.


No doubt. It's the only class I've not used.


It's the only class that seems like it shouldn't be used in combat.  Go gettem' giant basketball!

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I don't think they mention the implants that Sentinels get, though, do they? I had assumed that Sentinels get the same implants as Adepts while the Vanguards got a more specific variety to use for Charge. Then, consider that Kaidan is a Sentinel but was deemed to be a particularly powerful biotic by his peers, specifically due to his L2 implant.

Probably a whole host of factors that make for a more powerful biotic though. 1. Amount of neurological change and eezo nodules 2. Type of implant 3. Type of amp 4. Amount of training

Seeing as Kaidan was considered a powerful biotic, I'd say he had a good level of all four. But I think that it's likely that Jack is an even more powerful biotic ('cause everyone says so, dammit) who also has a good level of all four turned up to 11.

I speculate that she's had surgery specifically to enhance the eezo throughout her body and she mentions the fighting she had to do while at Teltin. I also speculate that an organization like Cerberus would keep with the L2 implants, thinking the potential is well above the risk (and what's risk to Cerberus anyway?). Jack likely had a Cerberus-modified L2 until you give her the L5. Makes sense she'd find those schematics in Cerberus files, as that's exactly what Cerberus seems to give a rebuilt Shepard. Probably a further design off the one they used with Jack as well.

Modifié par Pacifien, 07 septembre 2010 - 03:29 .