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#14401
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Pacifien wrote...

Since "Nought" is another term for zero, I'm guessing she made it up.

Come to think of it, just realized another possibility.

"Nought" is surely a reference to "Zero," no doubt. But maybe Jack isn't the one who put it there. :) Could very well have been the devs themselves. They like to play with the names a bit, given them a hidden meaning. Like my fav Japanese chic, Kasumi Goto. 'Kasumi' means 'mist' in Japanese (or 'dimness of sight'), refering to her primary Shadow Strike attack; and her sirname is very close to 'goutou' (pronounced with two long o's), which means 'burglar.'

So, it's entirely plausible, and maybe even likely, that 'Nought' was just the devs playing a trick with the name again.

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I don't really follow that...for all intents and purposes, story-wise, Jack signed the letter. I think she was well aware of what she was doing (coming up with a cheeky nom de plume).

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Gethforceone wrote...

Well we don't when she wrote that, so how old do you think she was?

I got the impression all the monitored extranet data/correspondence was while the squadmates were aboard the Normandy. 

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MHRazer wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

Well we don't when she wrote that, so how old do you think she was?

I got the impression all the monitored extranet data/correspondence was while the squadmates were aboard the Normandy. 


That couldn't be the case because he had a conversation between Samara and her daughters before she became
a Justicar. And he had the conversation between Jack's mother and that Cerberus member. The Shadow Broker could have just bought all of that data after they joined Shepard's team, thus becoming a significant figure that he should keep track of.

Edit: This forum has been acting really weird lately.

Modifié par Jackal904, 10 septembre 2010 - 01:24 .


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That conversation between Samara and her children was at least 400 years old. It was hard for me to believe that anyone still had that data.

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So, if you romanced Jack, apparently Liara says something about her around the time of the battle with Vasir. Does she only say something about Jack if you romanced her in ME1? Because I didn't romance Liara in ME1 and I don't remember her saying anything about Jack other than when she comes to your cabin after you beat the DLC.

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She angrily accuses you of tossing her aside for a "tattooed woman with anger problems". You need to have romanced Liara in ME1, and Jack in ME2, for Liara to say the line.

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yorkj86 wrote...

She angrily accuses you of tossing her aside for a "tattooed woman with anger problems". You need to have romanced Liara in ME1, and Jack in ME2, for Liara to say the line.


Though when you're alone with Liara in your quarters later on, she does wish you both well if you say you're doing it all for Jack. Redeemed :D I just did a playthrough with someone that ditched her for Tali, and there's some unique dialogue too. Tomorrow I'll close it off with my one Mirimance and see what's said there.

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My first Shepard romanced Liara and Jack.  Out of curiosity, I wanted to see if I could talk Liara back into the relationship.  Apparently you can, because I had a romance scene with her. 

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:37 .


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But what about Jack, JD?

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What about her?

Edit:  I thought I already told you about that.  I didn't save it.  This particular Shepard is staying with Jack.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:07 .


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Jackal904 wrote...

MHRazer wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

Well we don't when she wrote that, so how old do you think she was?

I got the impression all the monitored extranet data/correspondence was while the squadmates were aboard the Normandy. 


That couldn't be the case because he had a conversation between Samara and her daughters before she became
a Justicar. And he had the conversation between Jack's mother and that Cerberus member. The Shadow Broker could have just bought all of that data after they joined Shepard's team, thus becoming a significant figure that he should keep track of.

Edit: This forum has been acting really weird lately.

Well, I meant extranet data monitoring and the like seems recent. Messages/info sent from the Normandy (And her omni-tool, I guess). Samara's correspondance is a good point, but I do think most of the data was recent. I can't imagine the Shadow Broker would find Jack submitting poetry vital enough information to save for over a decade (considering there isn't a vault of data on everything she's ever done), so it was probably something that recently got caught in whatever system he has monitoring her.

The data on Jack's mother wasn't monitoring Jack, it was just data he had on her past, so that would by default be older.

No way to tell I guess, but reading through it I got the impression that unless it was a history or back story of the character, it was recent activity. Sort of to give you an idea of what the other characters are doing on board the Normandy when you're not around them.

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You know what I just realized?

If Jack was born on Eden Prime...And she was taken, before Saren's raid, on Eden Prime..It'd be pretty safe to assume that, unless they moved, before it, that her parents were killed by the geth, long before she even knew. Hypothetically speaking.

So if any other DLC BioWare makes involves taking Jack to Eden Prime to meet her parents...

I dunno, there's a pretty big chance that's gonna end badly. In any number of ways.


Edit: ....Some of these videos in the SB base are gruesome as hell.

Modifié par Sundown Native, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:21 .


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JohnnyDollar wrote...

What about her?

Edit:  I thought I already told you about that.  I didn't save it.  This particular Shepard is staying with Jack.


Good, good.   The Jack-mafia wouldn't want to have to send you to the bottom of the Hudson wearing a pair of concrete boots, for your transgression.B)

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@MHRazer, the SB has spies inside of Cerberus, and that convo with Jack's mother was among some of the intel that was passed along - Liara managed to dig up for Shepard.



Which brings me to an idea I brought up several months ago that Jack's past makes rather volatile propaganda material against Cerberus amongst other things [the general consensus and treatment of human biotics, use of implants]. A political media sh!tstorm if you will. So if Shepard finally gets dragged to the forefront of the galaxy's attention, again, he and his crew would be immediately subject to scrutiny.

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Sundown Native wrote

Edit: ....Some of these videos in the SB base are gruesome as hell.

Which ones?

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axl99 wrote...

@MHRazer, the SB has spies inside of Cerberus, and that convo with Jack's mother was among some of the intel that was passed along - Liara managed to dig up for Shepard.

Which brings me to an idea I brought up several months ago that Jack's past makes rather volatile propaganda material against Cerberus amongst other things [the general consensus and treatment of human biotics, use of implants]. A political media sh!tstorm if you will. So if Shepard finally gets dragged to the forefront of the galaxy's attention, again, he and his crew would be immediately subject to scrutiny.


There are a bunch of people here on the forums who think that Shepard will be mostly on-his-own in ME3.  After the events of the most recent novel, Cerberus is in bad shape.  Who knows what Anderson is doing with Cerberus, as seen on those videos of him.  People already distrust Shepard because they think he's working for Cerberus now.  Shepard will probably be heavily dependent upon his friends in ME3.

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axl99 wrote...

@MHRazer, the SB has spies inside of Cerberus, and that convo with Jack's mother was among some of the intel that was passed along - Liara managed to dig up for Shepard.

Which brings me to an idea I brought up several months ago that Jack's past makes rather volatile propaganda material against Cerberus amongst other things [the general consensus and treatment of human biotics, use of implants]. A political media sh!tstorm if you will. So if Shepard finally gets dragged to the forefront of the galaxy's attention, again, he and his crew would be immediately subject to scrutiny.


Have you read Hackett's dossier?  I don't think anything of a political s--tstorm variety is going to happen, but s/he's been seen in Terminus space in a ship that belongs to a flagged human nationalist group with ties to the murder of Alliance officials.  Add to this Shepard being seen in the company of vigilantes, terrorists, mercenaries and unregistered biotic convicts.  That's not going to look good for the Alliance.  So my theory is either Antella finds someone who can circumvent Anderson and Hackett, or he authorizes his own black op to bring Shepard in.  In any event, with Hackett's dossier, the theory about the opening of ME3 being a jailbreak or a parole just got a lot more credence from where I stand.

Bringing this back to Jack, I think she's the most likely candidate for a character-centric DLC after this one.  She's the only one with a clear objective: Find Mom.

Modifié par royceclemens, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:30 .


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Hey, guys, don't mind me, I'm just just changing your entire perception of Jack:o

Modifié par yorkj86, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:00 .


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royceclemens wrote...

Bringing this back to Jack, I think she's the most likely candidate for a character-centric DLC after this one.  She's the only one with a clear objective: Find Mom.


Skeptical of that. With paid DLC, I'm sure they'd go with the most profitable fanbase (if the forum's anything to gauge popularity by, anyway; so look for Tali's starring role in 'Geth Vs Quarians Pack' for 800 points). Barring that, tying off ME1 stuff - Ashley and that other guy. Sadly, Jack doesn't rank very high on priority, I'd guess.

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I loved actually feeling like a Spectre again in this DLC. God was it refreshing.

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adriano_c wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Bringing this back to Jack, I think she's the most likely candidate for a character-centric DLC after this one.  She's the only one with a clear objective: Find Mom.


Skeptical of that. With paid DLC, I'm sure they'd go with the most profitable fanbase (if the forum's anything to gauge popularity by, anyway; so look for Tali's starring role in 'Geth Vs Quarians Pack' for 800 points). Barring that, tying off ME1 stuff - Ashley and that other guy. Sadly, Jack doesn't rank very high on priority, I'd guess.


Firstly, I am almost willing to bet money that the VirSur isn't getting a DLC, and if they do, it won't be the next one.  If they tie up the romantic loose ends in a DLC, then come ME3, they'll have absolutely nothing to talk about.  I hate having to say this, as it sounds a hell of a lot harsher than I mean it to, but the most interesting thing about the VirSur relationship is the funk they're in.  At least with Liara there was a way to tie her into bigger things (and they succeeded beautifully).  If there's a way to do it with the VS, it'll be a couple of DLCs down the road so their role can be integrated into the plot more.

As for Tali?  Yeah, there's stuff they could to with her, but none of it sounds very fun.  I don't think you could get a whole lot of shooter gameplay out of delegating mock UN with the Quarians and the Geth. 

But Jack?  There's a clear and tangible goal with her mom (or at least a clear goal that isn't curing infertility or lung disease), any number of arbitrary ways to make it shooty (just add Cerberus or a gang Jack almost wiped out kidnapping her) and a way to reintroduce a character the developers liked but the fans didn't by developing her further and building some awesome levels around her.

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Gethforceone wrote...

Sundown Native wrote

Edit: ....Some of these videos in the SB base are gruesome as hell.

Which ones?


The Urdnot's roasting a human strapped into a chair, in Tuchanka, for one.

HE. EXPLODED.Image IPB



And to speak on the clear objective that Jack has? I remain with the belief that she's going to find her dead.

ESPECIALLY if she never left Eden Prime.

Modifié par Sundown Native, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:12 .


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Yeah, I Bio got away without a gore rating with that.

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royceclemens wrote...

Firstly, I am almost willing to bet money that the VirSur isn't getting a DLC, and if they do, it won't be the next one.  If they tie up the romantic loose ends in a DLC, then come ME3, they'll have absolutely nothing to talk about.  I hate having to say this, as it sounds a hell of a lot harsher than I mean it to, but the most interesting thing about the VirSur relationship is the funk they're in.  At least with Liara there was a way to tie her into bigger things (and they succeeded beautifully).  If there's a way to do it with the VS, it'll be a couple of DLCs down the road so their role can be integrated into the plot more.

As for Tali?  Yeah, there's stuff they could to with her, but none of it sounds very fun.  I don't think you could get a whole lot of shooter gameplay out of delegating mock UN with the Quarians and the Geth. 

But Jack?  There's a clear and tangible goal with her mom (or at least a clear goal that isn't curing infertility or lung disease), any number of arbitrary ways to make it shooty (just add Cerberus or a gang Jack almost wiped out kidnapping her) and a way to reintroduce a character the developers liked but the fans didn't by developing her further and building some awesome levels around her.


I like this idea, but there is a fly in the lotion; think of all the numpties that have killed off Jack. Or Jacob. Or Tali. Or Grunt. Or whoever. BioWare are only gonna put the time and effort into DLC that will fly off the shelves. Everyone has favorites and pet hates, so DLC that revolves around specific characters is not going to have a broad enough appeal to be a good moneymaker. Also, I don't think any DLC will be made that hinges on being played before the Suicide Mission now; post Omega 4, people might not be there, so why make DLC for someone AWOL? It's not the biggest of flies, but it's a fly nonetheless.

I think playing UN with the geth and quarians will be something pivotal for the next game, as with the VirSur, but Ash/Kaidan might return in a DLC yet. I'd not count it out as completely impossible at least. Liara was an easy pitch as she has potential appeal to both male and female Shepards both as a friend and as a significant other... a male Shep with Kaidan surviving is gonna be getting no more than the U-rated Bro-Fist ;) , no potential romance to rekindle/conclude in this example, and the same runs on the distaff side with Ash. Liara has the broader appeal of gelling with any Shepard, which is why I think the VirSur is less likely to show up in DLC - just to explain my reasoning there.

I think there are possibilities for all the squadmates stories to be expanded, however. I'm not sure how they'd do it, maybe doing it along the way in ME3 would be the best bet, because not every backstory has the depth for it. Ignoring Miranda's infertility, there is another prospect for her that would tie up some loose ends and have the potential for some genuine conflict and questions about Shepard crossing lines: what if Miranda finds a story on the extranet about her father - one that has a photograph of his "daughter" in it... what if Miri wanted Shepard to help her contact her genetic sibling and show her what their father was really like? No crimes have been comitted here, and what happens if Miri tries to coerce or even force her new sister to run? Shepard becoming an accessory to kidnapping? Hmmm... might make for a very good story to highlight the moral grey of Spectres and Shepard in general. That's off the top of my head, mind you, so who knows how workable it is.

All I'm trying to say is that DLC or not, there is scope for the squadmembers various backstories to be explored and expanded... a Jack-hunts-for-mommy one might have more of a sedate feel, akin to Samara's loyalty mission I'd think, but would have the bonus of emotional weight. The potential is there for everyone to get a little more, though I'm not sure if DLCs are likely due to the potentially uneaven returns for BioWare's investments.