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[Mondo47]

There is another way to read the whole "girl's club" statement. A Femme-Shep talking to Jack has by this point proven her genuine empathy for Jack and gone out of her way to help this very antisocial woman out, including risking her hide. Jack respects that, and even admits to liking Shep. But, as Jack has already said at this stage she's not good at that "soft stuff" so expressing a sense of friendship, trust or camaraderie is pretty alien to her... people she's got close to before have screwed her over, so maybe somewhere inside Jack thinks making friends is a self-fulfilling prophecy were she'll end up getting shafted by Shep somewhere down the line, so she evades closeness out of fearing its loss. With a Male-Shep, she equates those same feelings with male desire for her, so she goes straight for the jugular and asks if it's sex he wants. If it turns out to be something he's not going to push, she gets confused and fearful of potential betrayal or loss, though this has a different way of playing out. It all boils down to Jack pushing people away out of concern for herself, and if she falls for them too, out of concern for them... bless her great big sh*tkicking boots - Jack cares about people! Now, go try and sell her as a "psychopath" BioWare...

And there's another reading for the "girl's club." Think about it; Femme-Shep is friends with the Cheerleader (ugh), the Shrink (ugh), Fishbowl (meh) and Sneaky (whatever)... maybe Jack's scared she'll get invited to join the f*cking Normandy bridge club if she gets too far in with that crowd? Where will it end - I'll tell you where: Jack making cupcakes. It'll end up turning into Desperate Housewives in Space! I mean, she has a badass rep to keep, you know?

[Pacifien]

I don't take Jack's comment as anything more than I would Miranda telling me there is a lot of work to be done, Thane or Samara saying they wish to meditate, Garrus talking about calibrations, and so forth. It's the conclusion of all discussion with her. And she basically misconstrues Shepard's interest the same way Mordin does, but blows you off in a very Jack-like manner. Frustrating? Yes. All those conclusions are. Except for maybe Jacob. We're gonna get loud on the Citadel, baby!

[Pacifien]

Oh, Johnny, tell us how you really feel. I think you've held something back.

But anyway, I do prefer to interpret all the conversations from a non-romance perspective precisely because I feel the crux of who they are should be found within those conversations. The added texture of the romance is seeing something so enclosed within the person, something that Shepard doesn't necessarily have to see.

[Iwakura-Lain]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I actually thought her last conversation before the "girl's club" thing was a really great resolution for femshep. I liked that. I mean Jack just thanked me! That's huge! I said "I'll take what I can get with you, Jack" and she said "You did a lot Shepard." That's great. That' a perfect ending for her arc with femshep. I just didn't like the next conversation because it seemed to undermine the one before it. It seemed like she had been thinking "What's up with Shepard? She looks legit, but I know everybody is out for themselves. I know! She must be trying to get into my pants and that's why she's been helping me." And then she confronts Shep about it, and Shep neither gets the chance to deny it or to say anything else to Jack again, which seems to confirm what Jack was saying and make it look like femshep now can't be bothered because all she really wanted was sex. This is my problem. I don't want to have the same level of intimicay with Jack that dudeshep has. I just don't want Jack to go on thinking I am going to screw her over either.

^^ Best post in the thread!

I too felt a bit hurt when Jack told my Femshep she was just p*ssing around; and not because I couldn't get into her pants (I mean, I knew upfront Jack wasn't a valid LI for Femshep), but precisely because you say: it leaves Jack with the impression the universe indeed is out to screw her. And I found that very unsatisfactory. I had blown off Miranda before; she got mad; but at least, with her, you can go back and become on speaking terms again.

Maybe it was just too unrealistic to expect Jack to come around so soon. And like you said, you actually get quite far with her, in terms of her trusting people again. You just don't get everything. I now can live with that.

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:19 .

[Pacifien]

I know when I discuss the romance with Jack, I usually go on about how it would be a constant struggle for Shepard. People like Jack run hot and cold. Even a male Shepard romancing Jack should be getting her hostile tone once in awhile because trust doesn't happen overnight. You see it with a female Shepard, because Jack can't possibly think of why she would continue to show Jack interest unless she had some ulterior motive. Friendship is a foreign concept to Jack still. She holds back with a male Shepard because I suppose attraction gets the better of her and she lets him in. He doesn't screw her over, so then she goes even deeper with her trust for him. But what we didn't see was a week or so after the suicide mission, where she trashed a couple of his model starships after an argument.

Well, that's how I view Jack at any rate.

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
I'm counting the seconds 'til Nick comes in here to harass me about my Shepard's eyewear

Jack is thinking "Should I tell him Mordin's claims that volus fashion is all the rage was a joke or shall we have a good laugh at him again over a game of poker?"

[drunken pyromaniac]

[drunken pyromaniac]

I thought it appropriate for Talk Like a Pirate Day. Plus, I really like her expression there.

[Mike2640]

Hey guys, I think this is my first time posting in the Jack thread (although I've probably been lurking it since around pg 400), and I apologize if this is something you all have discussed and concluded earlier in the thread, and if so feel free to ignore me.

I'm a big time Jack fan, she's definately tied for my favorite in the suicide squad, but I'm also trying to keep my Main-Shep loyal to Ash, a task that has become surprisingly difficult with Jack in play. I've only got four Sheps, and a Jack romance would only make sense in that one. Not to mention, that for a Paragon Shep, romancing Jack just seems to "fit", you know (Especially when taking in LotSB lines about Shep wanting her to have faith in more than just anger)?

What I'm worried about is that if I do romance Jack and import it into ME3 when it comes out, by the expendable nature of the ME2 squad, the relationship will be downplayed, or at the very least far less in-depth than the Ashley/Kaiden romance would be since they were designed to play a big part in the finale.

I guess what i'm asking is, what do you guys think of the possibility of the "Dirty Dozen", and Jack most especially, not playing a very significant role in ME3, as well as the possibility of an unsatisfying conclusion to the Jack/Shep romance arc? Sorry if this seems too doom-and-gloom, i'm just worried Jack might not find the peace she deserves.

Modifié par Mike2640, 20 septembre 2010 - 04:41 .