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[drunken pyromaniac]

My feeling on the issue is thart all the characters will receive the proper end to their stories that they deserve, unless they were killed at some point, of course. ME3 is the end of the trilogy so I think it's safe to assume Bioware will pull out all the stops and make sure the fans are happy with the ending.

Yes, ME2's story deprived some characters of the spot they deserved, (I'm an Ash fan too), but I think that can be explained with it being the midpoint of the story and some of those characters being kept out of the squad in order to stay alive. In my view, this isn't because the M2 squad is less imporrtant, it's just that having some characters that have to be alive in  ME3 makes their jobs easier.

Also, I don't know if you're on PC or Xbox, but if you're on PC, you can download a single Shep to romance Jack.

Edit: Ugh, sorry for all the spelling errors. I fixed them.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 20 septembre 2010 - 05:01 .

[Mike2640]

I hope you're right, I'm just worried that having excellent character resolutions for all the characters will be very tricky for them, given the amount of variables involved (Whether they survived, if they take the paragon/renegade endings of the loyalty missions into consideration). Twelve characters, any of which may not exist by the end of many playthroughs. To put them all in effectively would require a colossal amount of work. In the end I'm worried they may not see it as worth the effort. It's even slightly worse for ol' Jack because she has one extra death possibility that the other squaddies dont, what with the shielding thing and all.

Modifié par Mike2640, 20 septembre 2010 - 05:12 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

It is the end of Shepard and crew's story though. ME3 is the game that will either make ME the series that people are still talking about in ten years or the game that drags the first two down. I bet they know this and are taking steps to make sure ME3 is made as well as possible.

Plus, as you probably know, they dropped a lot of the paragoning/renegading things from ME1. The Horizon encounter is the same regardless if you changed their viewpoints on anything. There are also few if any side missions that look to carry over to ME3 like there were from ME1 to ME2. This opens it up for a fairly large amount of variables being carried over, I think.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 20 septembre 2010 - 05:21 .

[Epantiras]

After playing LotSB, I'm a bit more optimistic towards ME3. Looks like Bioware is really reading what we type here. If they managed to make two separate animations for male and female Shepard in the "friendly, up into my cabin" scene with Liara because people complained about Femshep's "open legs-Sharon stone" pose, then they can make ME3 a great game. ;-)

[royceclemens]

Mike2640 wrote...

Hey guys, I think this is my first time posting in the Jack thread (although I've probably been lurking it since around pg 400), and I apologize if this is something you all have discussed and concluded earlier in the thread, and if so feel free to ignore me.

I'm a big time Jack fan, she's definately tied for my favorite in the suicide squad, but I'm also trying to keep my Main-Shep loyal to Ash, a task that has become surprisingly difficult with Jack in play. I've only got four Sheps, and a Jack romance would only make sense in that one. Not to mention, that for a Paragon Shep, romancing Jack just seems to "fit", you know (Especially when taking in LotSB lines about Shep wanting her to have faith in more than just anger)?

What I'm worried about is that if I do romance Jack and import it into ME3 when it comes out, by the expendable nature of the ME2 squad, the relationship will be downplayed, or at the very least far less in-depth than the Ashley/Kaiden romance would be since they were designed to play a big part in the finale.

I guess what i'm asking is, what do you guys think of the possibility of the "Dirty Dozen", and Jack most especially, not playing a very significant role in ME3, as well as the possibility of an unsatisfying conclusion to the Jack/Shep romance arc? Sorry if this seems too doom-and-gloom, i'm just worried Jack might not find the peace she deserves.

Will they bring everyone back? ::shakes magic 8-ball:: "All signs point to yes."  This is your lucky day, Mike.  The facts (and conjecture) are these...

1. There's a hefty Xbox achievement for getting everyone out alive.  BioWare wants you to.

2. Thane.  Why showcase a dying man who shows no signs of being sick unless he was going to be in bad shape the next time we see him?

3. Liara and the VirSur were left out not to push people towards the new love interests or maintain a dark and edgy tone, but to avert a temporal paradox.  Jack dies in ME2?  ME3 is different.  Liara or the VirSur die in ME2? ME3 doesn't happen at all.  KInda like how if you kill Revolver Oscelot in MGS3, you get a game over screen because we know he's alive forty years in the future.  It's not the beginning of a pattern that states unequivocally that the ME2 LIs won't be included in the next game.  You need more than two numbers to make a pattern anyway.

4. ME2 and ME3 were developed consecutively. They wouldn't have developed a suicide mission at all unless there was a way out.

5. The discussion about the makeup of the ME3 squad has been stickied in the storyline forum.  Whatever they're up to, The Powers That Be want us to talk about it.  And why would they want that unless they were going to shock us all?

Buck up, Mike.  Jack's gonna get what she deserves, as will everyone else.  And welcome to the thread, by the way.

[AntiChri5]

The vast majority of squaddies bloody well better return.



Why spend an entire game gathering a team if they are just going to vanish?



The only thing that makes me worry about Jack is how many people hate her. That may minimalise her role.

[Phategod1]

AntiChri5 wrote...

The vast majority of squaddies bloody well better return.

Why spend an entire game gathering a team if they are just going to vanish?

The only thing that makes me worry about Jack is how many people hate her. That may minimalise her role.

I wonder I the rubes would hate her less if  she had hair, Its a real shame because I honestly find her the most intriguing female. I cant fully trust Miranda, Tali seems more like a little sister Samara's not interested, and Kelly is nothing more then  a glorified Receptionist. 

[Mondo47]

AntiChri5 wrote...

The vast majority of squaddies bloody well better return.

Why spend an entire game gathering a team if they are just going to vanish?

The only thing that makes me worry about Jack is how many people hate her. That may minimalise her role.

Ah, but Jack has Casey on her team - he loves her. That has to fly in her favour too.

As for the squares hating her, I mean, look at why they hate her; she shaves her head, she has too many tattoos, she's rude and abraisive, and she's (apparently) a b*tchy, whiny "teenager." Weeeell, in response to that, I have to wheel out The Bear:



Seriously, a partially-sighted cyclops could see that the vast majority of these arguments are based around Jack not filling a placid, male-defined feminine ideal. BioWare are making a game based around conflict, drama, wind, fire, all that kind of thing! They're making a Six-Demon Bag here, not some fuzzy-wuzzy dating sim for maladroit teenage boys. They're here for the story; sure, they listen to our feedback, see what we like and dislike about the game, but I doubt very much that will compromise the way the finished product will turn out on the whole. Jack's not here to be patted on the head and called 'baby' (a cookie for the reference). She's here to break sh*t for Shepard in a spectacular fashion, and for those that want to give it a go, be revealed as something more than an angry little killing machine. She fills a need for a squadmate with potential crowd-control abilities with short to mid range destructive power, making her compliment those that tend to strike from longer ranges like Soldiers, Infiltrators, Adepts to a degree, etc. If you look at it purely from the point of game mechanics, Jack fills a role. From the angle of story mechanics, Jack is a box to be opened if you have the desire (one that amusingly punishes those that just jump for sex when it's offered - HA!) and thus develops another dimension insofar as storytelling goes.

Jack is functioning as designed here; to be potentially polarising to the audience, but for those that brave the storm becoming a puzzle to solve. Sure, it's a shame it can only be done via romance, but it is there all the same. Some days, sure, I worry a little about her safety vis-a-vis ME3, but most of the time I'm content in the knowledge that BioWare are telling this story and will continue to do it as they plan, and for better or worse (better for us at least), all of the Suicide Squad are part of that plan - including Jack.

Modifié par Mondo47, 20 septembre 2010 - 11:56 .

[AntiChri5]

Mondo, you are awesome.

[Gethforceone]

The fact that many hate her won't have anything to do with it, I don't think so at least.
If they bring in the other LIs, then shes coming too.
They aren't gonna leave her out because people hate her.



EDIT: Forgot the aren't.

Modifié par Gethforceone, 20 septembre 2010 - 04:54 .

[Gethforceone]

I always do this:

Shockwave 2/4

Buff 4/4 Whichever one gives you 25% cooldown (I forget)

Warp ammo 4/4 Heavy

And I put all other points in pull and map that to the D-pad.

[Gethforceone]

Indeed.

[MHRazer]

yorkj86 wrote...

I just noticed that I am a derp, because respeccing teammates takes the automatic point out of their loyalty power. So, I can max out Pull, Shockwave, and her class power, and ignore Warp Ammo.

Oh jeez, I never even bothered to use that respec thing, but now I'm going to have to. I've been using squad cryo ammo, so that point in Warp ammo is a total waste for me. 

[Mondo47]

Warp ammo can be one hell of a lifesaver for Jack... max it out and she starts taking down Collectors with two shots. Once it's maxed, she can run off all she bloody likes - there's not much she can't handle then (well, I've found at least).

[MHRazer]

yorkj86 wrote...

Huh. Did Jack always say "If I die, I'm haunting you, Shepard" when she's incapacitated in combat?

Yep. She has great combat lines.

[GodWood]

Saw this quote in the Miranda thread...

Honestly I think if push came to shove Miranda would beat Jack in a fight. I don't think I'm necessarily biased in thinking this but simply because Miranda would be able to out think her.

Jack is predictable, she goes for maximum force all the time. Jack is like a claymore to Miranda's rapier.

Made me laugh.

[Mondo47]

GodWood wrote...

Saw this quote in the Miranda thread...

Honestly I think if push came to shove Miranda would beat Jack in a fight. I don't think I'm necessarily biased in thinking this but simply because Miranda would be able to out think her.
Jack is predictable, she goes for maximum force all the time. Jack is like a claymore to Miranda's rapier.

Made me laugh.

Claymore to rapier... that's like saying a motorcycle can stop a freight train. It's the hands they're in that count, not the weapon. I mean, hasn't this person seen the end of Rob Roy? Good luck cutting someone in half with your rapier...

Seriously though, is this still going on? Jack vs. Miranda debates? Let's be realistic here; Jack fans are gonna say Jack'll win, Miranda fans are gonna say Miranda'll win. People that do the numbers will say Miranda has an edge due to martial training. People who think outside the box will say Jack's survived prison, torture, being seventeen different flavours of criminal - she can fight too. People with experience of military training will say it makes you much more predictable in a fight than some crazy person with blood in their eye. People with a little empathy might say Jack's bound to disrespect Miranda because of everything she's had to survive because of Cerberus - equally they might say Miranda isn't to blame for it and lashing out at her is pointless...

And sarcastic people like me will just say "technically any biotic could." Uh, yeah, technically I could fly a 747 because I have two arms, two legs and two working eyes, but will you trust me to do it?

Can we just say that they're two different people with very different points of view and life experiences that don't particularly get on? Is it so important that your favorite love interest has a pissing contest with her only actual rival (Tali doesn't count because, well, she's too nice to start getting all up in Miri's grill because Shep's her man)? Yeesh, kids... chill, ok?

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...


No, because my waifu is better than your waifu!

<_<

You know, I went over there to see how the land was lying after GodWood's "claymore vs. rapier"... and I see a entry that starts something like "Jack annoys me so much I'm not gonna talk to her until I do the Suicide Mission and let her die"... and I just have to thank the f*cking Gods above you lot are not quite so creepy, sweaty-palmed obsessed with Jack. I'm glad I was driven out of making any comment in the place all those months back.

Hello... fictional characters...

[axl99]

Personally I chalk it up to denial. The more you say you really hate a fictional character, the more you show you really care.