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Into the Bad Girl: Jack Fans
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#14927
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 11:34
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Mondo47 wrote...
Yay! Cuddles for Jack, Paci!
I do agree that while the whole "my waifu can beat up your waifu" thing is pretty lame, based on Jack's life experiences, I think in a non-biotic-enhanced bout of unarmed combat that didn't hinge on some other opponent using tech to stack the field, Jack could beat the snot out of most of the Normandy's crew that don't have a racial advantage thanks to exoskeletal plates or backup organs or a few hundred years worth of combat experience... just think of the hellholes she's survived and the people she's travelled with... she's probably learned parts of a dozen different martial arts (parts, as opposed to any single focussed training in one school) and all manner of personal brawling techniques and general fighting-dirty...
If this was a turian-style grudgematch to let off steam, I'd be putting money on Jack; simply beacuse the more she got hit, the harder she'd hit back.
What most people fail to take into account with their wafiu.... is Jack was bred in the pits.... She's been fighting her entire life and hasn't stopped since.. They got her from a little girl.
Being taught is one thing, I can imagine miranda had "instructors" provided by daddy.... but I bet they never taught her to take a hit... In fact I bet she didn't know what a hit was untill she was in a real fight ...which was probablly waaaaaay after her training was complete......
Miranda and Jack are similar in they were both meant to be the "perfect" woman/warrior.... cept ones was a lot more violent and bloody than the other...not that the other was all roses and sunshine, but one was more physically brutal...
So while miranda may have "training"...Jack has pure expereience, and has been hurt enough times to probablly shake off most of the **** miranda can throw at her.
Plus Miranda has an awful lot of hair to grab.... what can you grip on jack.. not much.. Also cut scenes are meant to truely represent the characters....Miranda threw a solitary merc, who stood up ready to fight again... Jack ripped out of her bindings, tore two yimir mech's apart...tore holes through prison walls and beat up every gaurd on the way..
I think we'd see a very bloody miranda........ which makes me hot.
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#14928
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 03:41
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Uh, well, Miranda probably experienced her first real fight rather quickly upon joining Cerberus assuming her overly demanding father didn't make sure her fighting skills were legit earlier than that. As I was describing in the Miranda thread, Miranda is the sort who can infiltrate a building by walking through the front door, playing a role that gets her in close to the target.
Not to mention Miranda seems particularly well trained in pushing someone's buttons. I don't know what they were saying before Shepard walked through that door, but Jack biotically throws a chair at Miranda who casually steps to the side. Miranda has confidence in her abilities, probably too much confidence in them to the point she will underestimate someone she deems the lesser person such as she does Jack.
Turian-style grudgematch as Mondo suggested? Jack was raised for this type of fighting. She is not simply a warrior, she is a biotic weapon. But like Thane says about him only being the weapon someone else wields, so is Jack. She was designed to be controlled by others. She's rebelled against this ever since her escape from Teltin, but she has a long list of people who have tried to control her in one form or another. Big reason why she didn't trust Shepard at first, he only saved her from Purgatory to use her for his mission.
Think that's actually Jack's major weakness--not to get her angry, 'cause I imagine she just goes all Hulk the angrier you make her--but that feeling she is being controlled again. She'll kill you without a second thought if she felt you were simply controlling her, but you can manipulate that insecurity to your advantage. If you were evil.
Not to mention Miranda seems particularly well trained in pushing someone's buttons. I don't know what they were saying before Shepard walked through that door, but Jack biotically throws a chair at Miranda who casually steps to the side. Miranda has confidence in her abilities, probably too much confidence in them to the point she will underestimate someone she deems the lesser person such as she does Jack.
Turian-style grudgematch as Mondo suggested? Jack was raised for this type of fighting. She is not simply a warrior, she is a biotic weapon. But like Thane says about him only being the weapon someone else wields, so is Jack. She was designed to be controlled by others. She's rebelled against this ever since her escape from Teltin, but she has a long list of people who have tried to control her in one form or another. Big reason why she didn't trust Shepard at first, he only saved her from Purgatory to use her for his mission.
Think that's actually Jack's major weakness--not to get her angry, 'cause I imagine she just goes all Hulk the angrier you make her--but that feeling she is being controlled again. She'll kill you without a second thought if she felt you were simply controlling her, but you can manipulate that insecurity to your advantage. If you were evil.
#14929
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 01:48
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I was going through ME2's texture and model files when I found this:
I know its pretty low res, but I think it may be either the texture file or the full shader that's used in LotSB.
I know its pretty low res, but I think it may be either the texture file or the full shader that's used in LotSB.
#14930
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 01:53
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No, that isn't the shader. If it was, then she'd be all florescent glowing like the billboard ads on Illium.
Think this is the diffuse texture file.
Think this is the diffuse texture file.
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Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 02:20
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I wonder if that was taken on Purgatory. I like how I can't tell if she's amused, displeased, or just bored.
#14933
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 02:40
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Definately a case of "Oh... busted again. What? You want me to look all scared? F*ck you! You know I'm gonna be out of this sh*thole in a few hours... yeah, and on my way out, I'm comin' lookin' for you, b*tch." 
#14934
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 02:44
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It looks to me like they just copied it from one of her cutscene poses down in her hidey-hole.
#14935
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 02:51
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The pose here is rather fitting. Technically speaking any character can do that pose. Shepard does it too y'know. Most characters share a mocap library of animations to use for cutscenes. First time we see Jack do it is when she wants in on those Cerberus databases on Purgatory.
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Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 03:04
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There's also the rush-in-and-lean-forward-and-to-the-side animation, which gets used a lot. It's like the "Wilhelm Scream". When it happens, it stands out more than everything else happening in the scene.
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#14937
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 05:34
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Samara is more powerful and certainly more talented than Jack. Jack is suppose to be one of, if not the most powerful human biotics, but humans as a whole are way behind Asari. If Jack is a sledgehammer Samara is a scalpel duct taped to a sledgehammer swung by an old pro. Jack's probably better in bed though, at least after you heal her.
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Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 05:53
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Jack's reaction to seeing her mugshot on the billboard, during the SB car-chase scene:
Thanks, Epantiras.
Thanks, Epantiras.
#14939
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 06:03
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Now I'm thinking of "Jawbone" by The Band: "Your name up on the post office wall puts you on edge, 'cause they wrote it too small."
#14940
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 06:08
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Scooter79rs wrote...
I was going through ME2's texture and model files when I found this:
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I know its pretty low res, but I think it may be either the texture file or the full shader that's used in LotSB.
You're awesome! I was just thinking about asking around if some tech-expert people could extract it
yorkj86 wrote...
There's also the rush-in-and-lean-forward-and-to-the-side animation, which gets used a lot. It's like the "Wilhelm Scream". When it happens, it stands out more than everything else happening in the scene.
Uhm, actually, I can't remember seeing that animation in-game, maybe I never noticed. During my playthroughs, she just stands in her badass arms-crossed pose most of the times.
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Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 06:32
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yorkj86 wrote...
Jack's reaction to seeing her mugshot on the billboard, during the SB car-chase scene:
Thanks, Epantiras.
That is exactly what I imagined her doing! I could just hear her in my ear going "Checkit! That's me! I'm soooo f*ckin' badass!"
Fantastic work, Big E
#14942
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 06:43
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Another win for Epantiras. Love Jack's reaction in that comic. 
#14943
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 06:49
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This has made me realise there is something I definately have to write sooner or later about my Shep and Jack: an encounter with the press. If her face is plastered all over news networks everywhere, I think it's inevitable that someone will say something eventually. I wonder how she'll react... and how Shep'll try and diffuse a potential scene that will make right-hooking everyone's least favorite reporter on the Citadel seem like a playground spat.
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Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 07:13
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Mondo47 wrote...
This has made me realise there is something I definately have to write sooner or later about my Shep and Jack: an encounter with the press. If her face is plastered all over news networks everywhere, I think it's inevitable that someone will say something eventually. I wonder how she'll react... and how Shep'll try and diffuse a potential scene that will make right-hooking everyone's least favorite reporter on the Citadel seem like a playground spat.
I'd really look forward to that. Jack's criminal notoriety, and her association with Cerberus, if that could be drudged up by the press, would make her an interesting person to interview, for a news-reporter. It'd just be interesting to see how, as you mentioned, Shepard would deal with Jack's reaction to having a snooping reporter bring up her past and her activities with Shepard.
I wonder how she'd deal with someone accusing her of working with Cerberus. Not well, I'd think
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#14945
Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 08:40
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Jilani will be paint where she stands.
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Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 11:09
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The whole idea of Jack working for Cerberus, is crazy. It's bad enough that Shepard is working for them in the story, but Jack...ummm, I don't know. If you think about it, it's really a lot to swallow.
Apparently, her only ticket off of that prison ship, is the Normandy. Are we to believe that this is why she left with Shepard? No, she left because Shepard made a deal with her, that would enable her to look at Cerberus files. I just find it quite awkward, for Jack to be willing to work with Cerberus at all, regardless of whatever files she may have access to. You could say that it was her only way off of that prison ship, but why would she even try to negotiate? Why wouldn't she try to kill what looked like Cerberus operatives trying to take her away aboard their ship? All the sh*t they did to her, and they show up, bust her out of jail, and try to take her with them. I think she would try to kill them at first sight, and if she died in the process, then that's probably fine by her.
That doesn't happen though. Ok then, but why hang around on a Cerberus vessel? FIrst of all, she would have tried to kill them back on the prison ship, I think, but she didn't, so the next step would be to get the hell out of there, the first chance she has. Instead, she reads the files, destroys the Teltin facility, and helps destroy the Collectors. All of the horrible things that Cerberus did to her, and she's not trying to fillet Miranda alive the first chance she gets? I understand the meaning behind destroying the Teltin facility, and I understand that what Cerberus did to her, is to a large extent, who Jack is in this story. The character is interesting, and I like the backstory, but the circumstances and events with her recruitment, and how events unfold from there, don't make much sense to me. I get the "it's about the characters" part of it, but the Jack character, and the circumstances and events, mix together like oil and water.
I understand this is a sci-fi story, and it's a game, but if it were a movie, then I would have changed the channel a long time ago. If it were a book, I would have never finished reading it.
Apparently, her only ticket off of that prison ship, is the Normandy. Are we to believe that this is why she left with Shepard? No, she left because Shepard made a deal with her, that would enable her to look at Cerberus files. I just find it quite awkward, for Jack to be willing to work with Cerberus at all, regardless of whatever files she may have access to. You could say that it was her only way off of that prison ship, but why would she even try to negotiate? Why wouldn't she try to kill what looked like Cerberus operatives trying to take her away aboard their ship? All the sh*t they did to her, and they show up, bust her out of jail, and try to take her with them. I think she would try to kill them at first sight, and if she died in the process, then that's probably fine by her.
That doesn't happen though. Ok then, but why hang around on a Cerberus vessel? FIrst of all, she would have tried to kill them back on the prison ship, I think, but she didn't, so the next step would be to get the hell out of there, the first chance she has. Instead, she reads the files, destroys the Teltin facility, and helps destroy the Collectors. All of the horrible things that Cerberus did to her, and she's not trying to fillet Miranda alive the first chance she gets? I understand the meaning behind destroying the Teltin facility, and I understand that what Cerberus did to her, is to a large extent, who Jack is in this story. The character is interesting, and I like the backstory, but the circumstances and events with her recruitment, and how events unfold from there, don't make much sense to me. I get the "it's about the characters" part of it, but the Jack character, and the circumstances and events, mix together like oil and water.
I understand this is a sci-fi story, and it's a game, but if it were a movie, then I would have changed the channel a long time ago. If it were a book, I would have never finished reading it.
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Posté 24 septembre 2010 - 11:22
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Bioware at least tries to explain why Samara, a Justicar, a super-cop who works alone, would work with Shepard, by hand-waving the situation with the Third Oath of Subsumation. Jack's cooperation does seem a little off, I'll admit.
