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[Nastrod]

I think to many people just have A.D.D. and it is easy for them to hate on Jack. Jack is not the type that is all sunshine and rainbows the first couple conversations. I think that is why many do not like her because at first she is the super tough chick. After talking to her a couple times though you really notice her walls start coming down and you start to really see her for what she is.

[bobito64]

Jack is without doubt and by far the most illconcieved character ever to appear in a Bioware game. The notion that a competant commanding officer would allow her freedom to roam the ship and take her on an important mission is utterly preposterous. She is unstable, irrationaly violent, utterly unreliable and a complete liability on any mission. If she must be included in the game then we should at least have been given the option to get rid of her (paragon - disable her amp and hand her over to the authorities, renegade - toss her out of an airlock).



I am currently on my second playthrouggh and was very dissappointed that you could not continue the mission without recruiting her. When her character was first revealed last year, developers said that we would be able to choose whether or not to recruit her. They should have stuck with that plan. I am currently trying to work out if I can get her killed off before boarding the collector station.

[Driveninhifi]

The most interesting part about Jack to me is how fanatically loyal she would be to Shepard if she's the love interest. I think that could play into ME3 is very, very interesting ways. I can see her being concerned with absolutely nothing other than Shepard's safety. If anything threatens that, she's probably going to do some nasty things to whatever the threat is - and we know she does not shy away from doing nasty things. At all. "Don't threaten Shepard if his woman is there, because she'll rip your arms out and kill all your people with them."

And if you leave her for someone else, she'd probably attempt to kill you and all your squad. Plus their family members, etc.

[MerchantGOL]

bobito64 wrote...

Jack is without doubt and by far the most illconcieved character ever to appear in a Bioware game. The notion that a competant commanding officer would allow her freedom to roam the ship and take her on an important mission is utterly preposterous. She is unstable, irrationaly violent, utterly unreliable and a complete liability on any mission. If she must be included in the game then we should at least have been given the option to get rid of her (paragon - disable her amp and hand her over to the authorities, renegade - toss her out of an airlock).

I am currently on my second playthrouggh and was very dissappointed that you could not continue the mission without recruiting her. When her character was first revealed last year, developers said that we would be able to choose whether or not to recruit her. They should have stuck with that plan. I am currently trying to work out if I can get her killed off before boarding the collector station.

JAck is the most powerfull biotic in the universe [and as shown in game] is a easily  directed weapon

For the suicide misson you needed the best, which is why you can also rectuit a Asari with a ridcilous honor code, an Assasin and a Krogan

[bobito64]

Her being a powerful biotic is no good if she is mentally unstable. She migjt be an easily directed weapon using the game's controls, but in reality such an individual would be completely uncrontrollable. She has no place on board the Normandy or on the mission.

Any commanding officer who recruited a mentally ill, unpredictable and unreliable individual for an important mission would themselves be unfit for command. In addition, exploiting a violently insane person for military purposes is utterly deplorable. My version of Commander Shepard is niether morally bankrupt nor stupid enough to take Jack on any mission.

Modifié par bobito64, 08 février 2010 - 08:03 .

[Jake71887]

bobito64 wrote...

Her being a powerful biotic is no good if she is mentally unstable. She mighjt be an easily directed weapon using the game's controls, but in reality such an individual would be completely uncrontrollable and unreliable. She has no place on board the Normandy or on the mission and if I can't kill her off I'll be very displeased.

it's a good thing this is a game then, and not reality? 

[MerchantGOL]

bobito64 wrote...

Her being a powerful biotic is no good if she is mentally unstable. She mighjt be an easily directed weapon using the game's controls, but in reality such an individual would be completely uncrontrollable and unreliable. She has no place on board the Normandy or on the mission and if I can't kill her off I'll be very displeased.

In the first game alone you had  unstable people

Jack isnt the only unstable one i nthis one ether

hell Renagade Shepard isnt stable!

Jack was willing to follow your orders the second you gave her what she wanted

You wernt doign wet work and stelth operations, you were wrecking ****, which Jack loves to do

[Jake71887]

Nadia73 wrote...

I have never seen so much hate on a forum that consists of everything that's not real.

With how many "love" posts there are, you have to figure there'll be the opposite as well. 

[bobito64]

Nadia73 wrote...

do people realize this isn't a REAL person? xD

Sure, but it's a game with a great story, Jack aside. Which is why I am so disappointed that this awful character made its way into an otherwise excellent game.

[Jake71887]

bobito64 wrote...

Nadia73 wrote...

do people realize this isn't a REAL person? xD

Sure, but it's a game with a great story, Jack aside. Which is why I am so disappointed that this awful character made its way into an otherwise excellent game.

I like Jack 

[Nastrod]

MerchantGOL wrote...

bobito64 wrote...

Jack is without doubt and by far the most illconcieved character ever to appear in a Bioware game. The notion that a competant commanding officer would allow her freedom to roam the ship and take her on an important mission is utterly preposterous. She is unstable, irrationaly violent, utterly unreliable and a complete liability on any mission. If she must be included in the game then we should at least have been given the option to get rid of her (paragon - disable her amp and hand her over to the authorities, renegade - toss her out of an airlock).

I am currently on my second playthrouggh and was very dissappointed that you could not continue the mission without recruiting her. When her character was first revealed last year, developers said that we would be able to choose whether or not to recruit her. They should have stuck with that plan. I am currently trying to work out if I can get her killed off before boarding the collector station.

JAck is the most powerfull biotic in the universe [and as shown in game] is a easily  directed weapon

For the suicide misson you needed the best, which is why you can also rectuit a Asari with a ridcilous honor code, an Assasin and a Krogan

I agree with you but I think the funniest part is he has the biggest problem with Jack not the Geth that Shep activates but Jack. Pretty much the whole crew are crazy killers.

Geth- That is all you pretty much fought in ME1 and a lot in ME2 also.
Grunt-a test tube Krogan that they have no idea what he would be like.
Zaeed- a paid mec that is only there for money and considering the collectors are known to pay great sums for things they want.
Samara-Will kill at the drop of the hat for her code.
Morinth-There is no question she is a true killer.

I like em all though but true Tali is only one I like as much as Jack in ME2.

[MerchantGOL]

bobito64 wrote...

Nadia73 wrote...

do people realize this isn't a REAL person? xD

Sure, but it's a game with a great story, Jack aside. Which is why I am so disappointed that this awful character made its way into an otherwise excellent game.

JAck is the best written character in the fame not named Tali or Garrus

[MerchantGOL]

Nastrod wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

bobito64 wrote...

Jack is without doubt and by far the most illconcieved character ever to appear in a Bioware game. The notion that a competant commanding officer would allow her freedom to roam the ship and take her on an important mission is utterly preposterous. She is unstable, irrationaly violent, utterly unreliable and a complete liability on any mission. If she must be included in the game then we should at least have been given the option to get rid of her (paragon - disable her amp and hand her over to the authorities, renegade - toss her out of an airlock).

I am currently on my second playthrouggh and was very dissappointed that you could not continue the mission without recruiting her. When her character was first revealed last year, developers said that we would be able to choose whether or not to recruit her. They should have stuck with that plan. I am currently trying to work out if I can get her killed off before boarding the collector station.

JAck is the most powerfull biotic in the universe [and as shown in game] is a easily  directed weapon

For the suicide misson you needed the best, which is why you can also rectuit a Asari with a ridcilous honor code, an Assasin and a Krogan

I agree with you but I think the funniest part is he has the biggest problem with Jack not the Geth that Shep activates but Jack. Pretty much the whole crew are crazy killers.

Geth- That is all you pretty much fought in ME1 and a lot in ME2 also.
Grunt-a test tube Krogan that they have no idea what he would be like.
Zaeed- a paid mec that is only there for money and considering the collectors are known to pay great sums for things they want.
Samara-Will kill at the drop of the hat for her code.
Morinth-There is no question she is a true killer.

I like em all though but true Tali is only one I like as much as Jack in ME2.

i got another
Miranda - Wanted  to put a God Damn Chip in your head

[MerchantGOL]

Nadia73 wrote...

i thought jack was fun as h3ll.. always making random comments about things when you run around...she's blunt and to the point and most importantly, on YOUR side!!!

I have a lot of fun with all the characters in the game actually. 

Well, except Jacob. I think he's a weak squad member- just my opinion.

Ooooo!!!! Should i start a hate thread then????

:lol:

Jacob redeemes him self with not having his head up Tims ass and having a sweet Loyalty misson

[bobito64]

Nastrod wrote...

I think the funniest part is he has the biggest problem with Jack not the Geth that Shep activates but Jack. Pretty much the whole crew are crazy killers.

Geth- That is all you pretty much fought in ME1 and a lot in ME2 also.
Grunt-a test tube Krogan that they have no idea what he would be like.
Zaeed- a paid mec that is only there for money and considering the collectors are known to pay great sums for things they want.
Samara-Will kill at the drop of the hat for her code.
Morinth-There is no question she is a true killer.

I like em all though but true Tali is only one I like as much as Jack in ME2.

The point is that none of the other characters you mention are compulsory. You don't have to activate Legion or release Grunt from the tank and you don't have to recruit Zaeed, Samara or Morinth. Admittedly, if you left all of them out then you'd have a pretty sparse crew and little chance of success. But with any of them you have the choice not to include that individual.

Where Jack is different is that she is seriously mentally ill. Even if she could be relied upon (very doubtful), to exploit her for military perposes is morally wrong. Using mercenaries, assasins and vigilantes in your crew is one thing. They were all of sound mind when they chose that way of life. Exploiting Jack is quite another. In truth, it is not the character of Jack I object to. I think she would have made a great NPC in a quest that revealed the kind of things Cerberus get up to. My objection is with the choices that are forced upon us in exploiting her and what it says about Shepard's morals and judgement. You can say no to Legion, Grunt, Samara, Thane, Zaeed and even Tali. But you cannot say no to recruiting Jack. We have all built our our own Shepards throughout Mass Effect 1 and 2. The Shepard I have played would not have had Jack on her crew under any circumstances.

MerchantGOL - I did not say that Jack is not well written. She is. I said that she is illconcieved. Meaning that she should not have been a party member and certainly not a compulsory one.

Modifié par bobito64, 08 février 2010 - 09:03 .

[Craig McDermott]

Jack was a pretty generic character with zero depth. Her dialogue seems like it was written by a summer intern.



Shepard: What do you think of Miranda?

Jack: She's a ****!



Shepard: What do you think of Jacob?

Jack: He's a ****!



Shepard: I want to know more about you.

Jack: I'm a ****!



Shepard: What do you think of Cerberus?

Jack: They made me into the **** I am today!

[MerchantGOL]

Craig McDermott wrote...

Jack was a pretty generic character with zero depth. Her dialogue seems like it was written by a summer intern.

Shepard: What do you think of Miranda?
Jack: She's a ****!

Shepard: What do you think of Jacob?
Jack: He's a ****!

Shepard: I want to know more about you.
Jack: I'm a ****!

Shepard: What do you think of Cerberus?
Jack: They made me into the **** I am today!

Well you obvisously didnt listen to a damn word she said the entire game

[Faust6999]

I love jack! Because she is the only character that i actually cared about on an emotional level. After talking with her and doing her loyalty mission, I felt so bad for her that I wish i could just reach into the screen and hold her. But like many others, I wish she was a romance option for Femshep.

[GlassRain]

The jack romance was the best one where you broke her down. When I first got her she didn't appeal to me though. Go cut yourself in the corner while the adults save the galaxy sort of feeling. Little over the top in the emotional whining but I liked how it got broken down through conversation.

[Occams Razor 17]

I wish she hadn't gone straight back to her "I need to think" dialogue after the suicide mission without even commenting on the mission or on coming up to Shepard's room. It kinda took away something from what I otherwise found to be the most emotional romance, as it made it seem like it never happened.

[hawat333]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Well you obvisously didnt listen to a damn word she said the entire game

Nor did he pay attention to the dozens of sings and non-verbal talking behind the lines.


@ Occams Razor 17
Exactly. A few more extra lines wouldn't have hurt after breaking through the ice.