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[Fiery Phoenix]

Are you positive, Ultai?

[adriano_c]

Quaay wrote...

I don't know if Jack would be able to teach kids since she wasn't really taught herself. It would be a nice idea though.

Is this in reference to raising children in general or something more specific?

If the former, never underestimate the maternal instinct...

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
"Final hurrah"?  Do you mean the lines the squadmates say when they hop up on the platform, or the lines they say when they die?

Lines they say when they die at the door. Jack's normal line there I think is really telling of how far she has come as a character regardless of whether or not your romance her. Shepard is recruiting the best squad to take on this mission, but being the best at their job didn't necessarily mean the crew was invested in the mission itself. Jack, who's always had to look out for herself, who's always struck out first before someone could screw her over, in the end she admits that she cares. Cares about what the Collectors were doing, cares about what was happening to the colonists, cares about the importance of the mission. She wasn't supposed to, but her dying words she admits that she did.

[LiquidGrape]

[Misunderstood. Sowwey.]

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Epantiras]

Uhm... Jack teaching to students? That would be too altruistic and too "happy ending" in my opinion... but maybe having a chance to help other biotic children may change things.

[adriano_c]

Epantiras wrote...

Uhm... Jack teaching to students? That would be too altruistic and too "happy ending" in my opinion... but maybe having a chance to help other biotic children may change things.

Certainly beats some trite "trademark Bioware dark character ending".

[Mondo47]

Just to throw in my two cents... I can't really see Jack teaching anything in a particularly structured fashion ever. To anyone. She just doesn't really have the mindset for it based on what we've seen or can interpret, perhaps beyond breaking up a fight between a couple of scrappy little duct rats and educating the one that got the hardest beating in the fine art of shiv crafting. Or breaking up an argument between a boyfriend and girlfriend by shoving the guy down some stairs, and then telling the girl unless she grows a little self-respect and stops letting men walk all over her, she'll come back and shove her down some stairs too.

Y'see? That's why I can't see Jack teaching kids in any kind of academic quantity... imagine the trouble a class full of Jack-educated biotic kids could cause.

Jack with her own kids though? If it happened, sure, there'd be an element of tough love sometimes, but I think she'd manage her own children with a lot of love... perhaps even being a bit overprotective at times, because she'd be having the childhood she should have had through that kid, and woe betide anyone that makes that child's life hard in any way, shape or form...

There was probably a first and last time Miranda Shepard was given detention... rebuilding the wall was relatively easy I imagine. And as for the teenage Miranda starting dating... Christ, any boy taking her out would need diamond-hard nerves; father is a war hero and saviour of the galaxy, and her mother is a telekinetic killing machine that could turn you into jam with a hard stare...

Jack and kids is just terrifying in so many different ways

[tommyt_1994]

Mondo47 wrote...


There was probably a first and last time Miranda Shepard was given detention... rebuilding the wall was relatively easy I imagine. And as for the teenage Miranda starting dating... Christ, any boy taking her out would need diamond-hard nerves; father is a war hero and saviour of the galaxy, and her mother is a telekinetic killing machine that could turn you into jam with a hard stare...

Jack and kids is just terrifying in so many different ways

I doubt Miranda Shepard would go around flaunting who her parents were as well, it'd be a surprise for that guy/girl who ends up with Miranda Shepard's heart. Imagine being that kid, meeting her parents. You walk in, half the mansion is reduced to rubble and you see a tatoo'd half naked woman in the middle of it using biotics to clean some of it up. And in the corner is a man you certainly recognize, The Commander Shepard polishing his various high powered weapons to scare the little kid. And as your sh*tting your pants, your special girl speaks up and says "Meet my parents". It'd take a kid with balls of steel to stick around

[Mondo47]

Quick off-topic (ish) question... if Grissom Academy is the home of biotic training, why can you ship David there? Is there something in Overlord about him being biotic I missed in there?

[Mondo47]

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification there... thought I'd missed something while swearing about the lack of a Renegade "mercy killing" option.

[Quaay]

I took Jack and Legion with me to see Dr. Archer. Too bad BioWare missed that opportunity.

[AntiChri5]

I think Jack should have killed him. Much like if you take Wrex to confront fist in ME 1. Doesnt ask for your advice, or input or orders, just crush

[Epantiras]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I think Jack should have killed him. Much like if you take Wrex to confront fist in ME 1. Doesnt ask for your advice, or input or orders, just crush

That would have been awesome! And put a paragon interruption to stop her. A paragon interruption I'd never take ;-)

[royceclemens]

Well, york, I have a couple of of Jack romances I'm importing into ME3, a pure Paragon and a Paragade cheat on Ashley.



The Pure Paragon has been all sweetness and light and what did it get him? Dead. And outcast. With glowing scars and working for puppy-kicking evil. He romances Jack in hopes that maybe they'll rub off on each other. She can knock him off his high horse and he can help chisel away that massive chip on her shoulder.



As for the Paragade cheater (and I know we all hate that word, but it's easier to type than "philanderer" or whatever the preferred word is)? Neither of them really have anyone. They can be screwed up and miserable together.

[royceclemens]

The genius of the Jack character is that she can facilitate any number of ways tor roleplay with your Shepard, moreso than any of the other romance options, from my perspective. You can white knight it or you can completely destroy her soul and there are a number of variants in between.



As opposed to the others, which are pretty much one-way streets (not knocking Tali or Liara or anyone else, this being the common malaise of the RPG love interest) you can rig your Shepards in such a way that feelings can be mutual. At least moreso than any in my limited realm of experience.

[Urdaniel]

My Shep was a little put off initially by Jack's in-your-face attitude, but adjusted quickly.  After all, he's been around hardcases in the Alliance military and he used to be one himself before the Torfan campaign.  He did everyone's loyalty mission (he got to be a bit of a chump that way) but it was the immediate aftermath of Jack's LM that got him to thinking re: our favorite not-psycho biotic.  What did it was the expression on her face as she triggered the detonator, that little peek at her vulnerability.  He was hooked, he just didn't know it yet.  So he didn't act on it initially, didn't even really acknowledge it (other things kept distracting him), but when it hit him (most likely in a quiet, unguarded moment where nothing was shooting at them or getting blown up), there was no mistaking it for anything other than what it was.  And that's where the story (their story anyway) really starts.

Obviously, that's not the way it went down in-game, owing to the restrictions of format and programming, but this (extremely broad outline as it is) is the way I like to think it happened.  I've never really thought of when the "quiet, unguarded moment" took place, but it's certainly after Jack's LM.  If I ever manage to get TWK finished and the side-stories and sequels started, I may finally sit down and decide when and where - might even get a shortfic-length retrospective.