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[Weiser_Cain]

axl99 wrote...

I wouldn't mind her in this dress

Her shoulders look stiff and I hate asymmetry.

[Urdaniel]

yorkj86 wrote...

Urdaniel wrote...

My Shep was a little put off initially by Jack's in-your-face attitude, but adjusted quickly.  After all, he's been around hardcases in the Alliance military and he used to be one himself before the Torfan campaign.  He did everyone's loyalty mission (he got to be a bit of a chump that way) but it was the immediate aftermath of Jack's LM that got him to thinking re: our favorite not-psycho biotic.  What did it was the expression on her face as she triggered the detonator, that little peek at her vulnerability.  He was hooked, he just didn't know it yet.  So he didn't act on it initially, didn't even really acknowledge it (other things kept distracting him), but when it hit him (most likely in a quiet, unguarded moment where nothing was shooting at them or getting blown up), there was no mistaking it for anything other than what it was.  And that's where the story (their story anyway) really starts.

Obviously, that's not the way it went down in-game, owing to the restrictions of format and programming, but this (extremely broad outline as it is) is the way I like to think it happened.  I've never really thought of when the "quiet, unguarded moment" took place, but it's certainly after Jack's LM.  If I ever manage to get TWK finished and the side-stories and sequels started, I may finally sit down and decide when and where - might even get a shortfic-length retrospective.

A moment where Jack is reflecting upon recent events, when Shepard happens to stumble upon her.  The scene in axl's picture might be a good place to start.  Jack has a lot to think about after her loyalty mission.  Shepard has just seen how crappy her past really was.  He gets to see glimpses of who Jack is, through her vulnerability.  There's no one else around, and Shepard catches Jack outside of her hidey-hole.  I think it's a good idea, anyway.

As an aside, I just returned from seeing "RED".   Helen Mirren firing a .50 caliber machine gun is definitely one of the greatest and most attractive things I've ever seen

Interesting idea york.  Will most definitely keep that in mind; will therefore ask for advance permission to use said idea, lol.  And I really did like axl's picture too.

And as a counter-aside, always did like Dame Helen; firing a .50-cal?  Awesome.

[axl99]

yorkj86 wrote...

axl, would you mind re-posting the picture you created, that shows all of the dresses?

Done and done.

[Weiser_Cain]

The last dress without the hat is best.

[Epantiras]

Anyone has heard Convincing Jack from the Combat Score? Opinions?



(spoiler: I think it's great)

[Weiser_Cain]

Got a link?

[jtav]

That's gorgeous.

Don't mind me. I'll go back to lurking now.

[GuardianAngel470]

did anyone else notice how jack is completely unrealistic? Her character is completely unbelievable.



There is no way in hell a criminal of her stature would talk like that. Maybe a mobster but not street criminal like her.



Just wondering if you guys noticed that.

[Pacifien]

I really don't see how Jack speaks more like a mobster. She's not really a street criminal either. I'm not even sure what sort of stature she's supposed to have.

Anyway, her mannerisms remind me of quite a few people I know in real life, but I don't really think those people are all that realistic and believable either, so point there.

Too many polls. Can't keep track. Besides, if one poll indicates one thing and another contradicts it, you really can't choose one poll as being the more valid of the two.

For Jack's combat music, every time I hear Jack themes, I listen very carefully for that twinge of 80s synth which marked the very beginning of her theme. I don't know why, I just like it.

[Mondo47]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

did anyone else notice how jack is completely unrealistic? Her character is completely unbelievable.

There is no way in hell a criminal of her stature would talk like that. Maybe a mobster but not street criminal like her.

Just wondering if you guys noticed that.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this at all... Jack talks in a way that is more becoming of some mob torpedo and not some kind of scrappy street thug? Um...

I personally thought Jack had been involved in organised crime at various points, having been a pirate, kidnapper and extortionist, but that's just me. Seriously though, how are criminals supposed to talk (I'm assuming this is based on some kind of knowledge outside of the cliches of cinema)? Explain it to me, please, because I have no idea...

[Phategod1]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

The last dress without the hat is best.

agreed I love the ones with the hat but not the hat if that makes sense. It kind of makes her look like Grace Jones, Now maybe if she had a dress with a hood that might look good. 

[Errationatus]

Mondo47 wrote...

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this at all... Jack talks in a way that is more becoming of some mob torpedo and not some kind of scrappy street thug? Um...

I personally thought Jack had been involved in organised crime at various points, having been a pirate, kidnapper and extortionist, but that's just me. Seriously though, how are criminals supposed to talk (I'm assuming this is based on some kind of knowledge outside of the cliches of cinema)? Explain it to me, please, because I have no idea...

Nyah, see, it's like this, see...  criminals talk the way criminals talk, see, wit der own speshul jargon see, meant only for criminals.  Nyah, see?  Look, you crazy floozie, all I gotta do is get out my gatt, grease dat jamoche and then we hightail for the boonies in my flivver, see?  You and me, yah, we'll cut a rug and dring some of that straight-up bathtub stuff.

 - and, yo, biatch, dey's also talks likes dis, yo, caus' dat be the way of it, yo dawg, fo shizzle up the mizzle when you axe, yo.  Dawg.


It's odd.  The last time I looked, real criminals talked kinda like this.



I've always assumed that Jack was educated on Teltin (what good is a stupid weapon, anyway?), and simply continued her own self-education after.  Slang is not language, despite what the ignorant think.  Besides, any slang Jack might use, they'd have to explain, and personally, while I liked the novelization of Clockwork Orange, any kind of Mass Effectian "nadsat" is just not gonna fly.

Simply put, how you speak reflects how you think, and again personally, the more slang you use as a substitute for real communication, the less you should be either spoken to or heeded.

Jack is faaaaaaaaaar from stupid, and how she speaks simply reflects this.

[Errationatus]

yorkj86 wrote...

I think he might be saying that she has to be proper crazy, and have the speaking habits to match, in order to be believable? 

What's "proper crazy" and how do they talk?  "Rainman"?  Brad Pitt from Twelve Monkeys?  Mike Douglas in Falling Down?  

Sheesh.  Talk about nitpick'n.  If you don't like Jack, come up with a legit reason for feck's sake...  If he wants to stir up trouble on the Jack thread, he's gonna have to do better'n'at.

[Mondo47]

I just always thought criminals talked like this in reality - guess I was wrong, huh?

Seriously though, surely criminals talk like, uh, regular folk (outside of movies at least)? I mean, anyone can be as scatty as Manson without having to be stuck in a cell someplace? Is there a way criminals talk? I'm not trying to be contentious here, I'm just genuinely interested.

[Phategod1]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this at all... Jack talks in a way that is more becoming of some mob torpedo and not some kind of scrappy street thug? Um...

I personally thought Jack had been involved in organised crime at various points, having been a pirate, kidnapper and extortionist, but that's just me. Seriously though, how are criminals supposed to talk (I'm assuming this is based on some kind of knowledge outside of the cliches of cinema)? Explain it to me, please, because I have no idea...

Nyah, see, it's like this, see...  criminals talk the way criminals talk, see, wit der own speshul jargon see, meant only for criminals.  Nyah, see?  Look, you crazy floozie, all I gotta do is get out my gatt, grease dat jamoche and then we hightail for the boonies in my flivver, see?  You and me, yah, we'll cut a rug and dring some of that straight-up bathtub stuff.

 - and, yo, biatch, dey's also talks likes dis, yo, caus' dat be the way of it, yo dawg, fo shizzle up the mizzle when you axe, yo.  Dawg.


It's odd.  The last time I looked, real criminals talked kinda like this.



I've always assumed that Jack was educated on Teltin (what good is a stupid weapon, anyway?), and simply continued her own self-education after.  Slang is not language, despite what the ignorant think.  Besides, any slang Jack might use, they'd have to explain, and personally, while I liked the novelization of Clockwork Orange, any kind of Mass Effectian "nadsat" is just not gonna fly.

Simply put, how you speak reflects how you think, and again personally, the more slang you use as a substitute for real communication, the less you should be either spoken to or heeded.

Jack is faaaaaaaaaar from stupid, and how she speaks simply reflects this.

greatest use of a president ever. 

[Errationatus]

yorkj86 wrote...

I can listen to interviews of Charles Manson, and I can listen to interviews of Edmund Kemper, and not see much commonality.   Manson's scatterbrained, and Kemper's articulate.

Really, I don't know what he's trying to say.  Criminals are supposed to talk a certain way...?

As near as I can determine, I think it's intimated that Jack is too smart to be realistic. She speaks like an intelligent woman, and criminals aren't smart. 

To be less than completely polite, it's either just ignorance on the poster's behalf, or trollerism.

[adriano_c]

If only there were some sort of "rolling eyes" face available to use whenever people try to insert their political opinions into discussion of video game stuff.