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Mkrgross

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Azint wrote...

Curious, does anyone else here have tattoos?


Yes several, and I have to wear long sleeves to work. :( Not nearly as extensive as Jack's but ya.

About Jack asking to go pirate, I think it is a step toward friendship, she also says it to Femme-Shep. This is one of the moments where you can see her character develope and progress.

Did Jack and Shep do the Horizontal Tango? The way the scene played out, it didn't look like it, but I don't see Jack, or Shepard for that matter, not do it. Not after the build up.

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[Bluff] If we won't see Jack as a ME3 companion/LI, then I'm not buying it..


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Hope you don't mind a few screenshots.

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I both love and hate Jack's sad face. that last one specifically is from the last-minute rejection, so more bittersweet than the rest.

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That's some mighty fine screenshottin', Lou.  I was just goin on the other day about how posting Jack screenshots actually has a point as she's a lot more expressive and has more variance in lighting than pale and stone-faced Miranda.

Now if you get one of Jack's shifty look in the back of Garrus' car near the end of his loyalty mission, I will give you a fictional internet quarter.

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Noilly Prat wrote...

Whoa.  I've been peeking in on this topic periodically, and after missing only one day it's suddenly grown ten pages.  Did I accidentally click on one of the other character threads?  :huh:

Well, you guys have done it.  I definitely have to see the Jack rejection scene now.  The more you talk about how bad it is, the greater my need is to see it.  It's a bit like when your neighbor asks if you've seen the horrible accident down the street.  You know that you really don't need to add that sight to your memories of the day, but you'll probably take a look anyway.

Now, that Destructoid article got me thinking.  Is the consensus around here that Shepard did not have sex with Jack in the Paragon love scene?  I just assumed that they did, but I've never really thought much about it.  The writer of that article obviously assumed that they didn't.  Should it matter?

I can see how what looked to me like a tender postcoital embrace could look like... um, I guess just a tender embrace to another.  The other love scenes that I've seen in the game don't really show what happens after the lights go out, so to speak (though I haven't seen them all).  So, I suppose it could go either way.  Thought, anyone?  (And again, apologies if this is an old subject.)


Oh yes... we build, we borrow, but we never hide - we grow :D

My Sheps are gentlemen; they follow my morality most of the time... so in my book, the Paramance scene is just tearing the wall down. The close-escrow comes after offing the Collectors - gotta have something to survive for, after all ;) Seriously though, Jack's romance is about just that - the big L. It's not about getting your ashes hauled before you walk into certain death, and it's not about (and there's no delicate way to put this, but we're all Jackolytes here, sooo...) getting your cherry popped by your epic-crush before you walk into certain death. It's about letting someone inside your barriers. Big L, all the way... so, you be the better man, or you don't get another ride on the rollercoaster. Yep, them's my rules and I'm standing by them ;)

Buuut, everyone else will read it different. Sex wouldn't be a bad thing, it wouldn't be a wrong thing at that stage of their relationship, but in my eyes... Shep has to be the better man. Go for the long haul. And not get killed. Or hey, it could be just what they both want and we're throwing too much of our own emotional baggage at it all. Doesn't have to be complicated, you just have to know where to put it ^_^

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I'd like to think My Sheperd didn't end up doing the monster mash at that point. But, I guess there's nothing wrong with one last moment of physical pleasure before you march off to seemingly inevitable death.

royceclemens wrote...

Now if you get one of Jack's shifty look in the back of Garrus' car near the end of his loyalty mission, I will give you a fictional internet quarter.

Like so?

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..I have too much free time. :?

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Jack is an erotic mix of an angel and a devil - the trick is to break through to the one so you can enjoy the delights of the other.

Also the conversation with Mordin en route to the Omega 4 relay regarding the usage of biotics as a physical pleasure aid is friggin hilarious.

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Chaos-fusion wrote...

I'd like to think My Sheperd didn't end up doing the monster mash at that point. But, I guess there's nothing wrong with one last moment of physical pleasure before you march off to seemingly inevitable death.

royceclemens wrote...

Now if you get one of Jack's shifty look in the back of Garrus' car near the end of his loyalty mission, I will give you a fictional internet quarter.

Like so?

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..I have too much free time. :?


Your story shall be told long after you've passed.  The myth of Chaos-fusion shall be written in the blood of Zeus.

So thanks.

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DRACO1130 wrote...

Jack is an erotic mix of an angel and a devil - the trick is to break through to the one so you can enjoy the delights of the other.
Also the conversation with Mordin en route to the Omega 4 relay regarding the usage of biotics as a physical pleasure aid is friggin hilarious.


I keep finding myself thinking along these kinds of lines...

Jack: (lying across Shepard's chest, breathing hard) ****, that was good... you seemed a little... distracted though. Something on your mind?

Shep: You could say that... my couch was floating four feet off the deck, my coffee table tried to get in bed with us twice, all my model ships fell off their shelves, the bathroom door kept opening and closing by itself, and the fish boiled in the fishtank...

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Mondo47 wrote...

DRACO1130 wrote...

Jack is an erotic mix of an angel and a devil - the trick is to break through to the one so you can enjoy the delights of the other.
Also the conversation with Mordin en route to the Omega 4 relay regarding the usage of biotics as a physical pleasure aid is friggin hilarious.


I keep finding myself thinking along these kinds of lines...

Jack: (lying across Shepard's chest, breathing hard) ****, that was good... you seemed a little... distracted though. Something on your mind?

Shep: You could say that... my couch was floating four feet off the deck, my coffee table tried to get in bed with us twice, all my model ships fell off their shelves, the bathroom door kept opening and closing by itself, and the fish boiled in the fishtank...


I have to say that is inspired.

    ;)I do want to share the fact that I have a daughter, just turning 5 on the 17th of march and that a LOT of Jack's 'vulnerabilitys'  as revealed during her loyalty mission are spot on accurate - it is very hard to resist being her love interest and educating her about the 'softer' side of relationships - not that I have ever chosen her more than once but they did a great job with her characterization and plot line enmeshing.

     or to put it in simpler terms - every guy at some point wants to be the white knight riding to the rescue of the fair maiden

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Azint wrote...

Curious, does anyone else here have tattoos?


Yeah, pretty much covered. Look almost like a black-guy version of Jack.

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DRACO1130 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

DRACO1130 wrote...

Jack is an erotic mix of an angel and a devil - the trick is to break through to the one so you can enjoy the delights of the other.
Also the conversation with Mordin en route to the Omega 4 relay regarding the usage of biotics as a physical pleasure aid is friggin hilarious.


I keep finding myself thinking along these kinds of lines...

Jack: (lying across Shepard's chest, breathing hard) ****, that was good... you seemed a little... distracted though. Something on your mind?

Shep: You could say that... my couch was floating four feet off the deck, my coffee table tried to get in bed with us twice, all my model ships fell off their shelves, the bathroom door kept opening and closing by itself, and the fish boiled in the fishtank...


I have to say that is inspired.

    ;)I do want to share the fact that I have a daughter, just turning 5 on the 17th of march and that a LOT of Jack's 'vulnerabilitys'  as revealed during her loyalty mission are spot on accurate - it is very hard to resist being her love interest and educating her about the 'softer' side of relationships - not that I have ever chosen her more than once but they did a great job with her characterization and plot line enmeshing.

     or to put it in simpler terms - every guy at some point wants to be the white knight riding to the rescue of the fair maiden


Awwww! Mine are a bit older, you still got 'em at the cute stage... I have impending teens in my life :pinched:

I can hear that. Jack speaks to my Mommy-Genes constantly. I played through with my main Femme-Shep first, and I so could see how much Jack needs someone... anyone that can just make her see that everything that happened to her isn't her, none of it was her fault, none of it forces her to be the person she thinks she has to be. As much as Jack might need a man, I think she needs someone to be there for her just as much. It doesn't have to be someone knocking boots with her, which is why I felt a little cheated that there could be no moment with a female figure in her life. Not romantic, but still affirming; that someone was willing to try for her without wanting anything.

It might seem a little trite to say, but I always think of this particular movie when I think of Jack, and for this scene in particular www.youtube.com/watch . Now don't get me wrong, I'm not into the whole mushy, sentimental **** scene. My favorite movie is Dawn of the Dead (the original version... the remake blew monkeys). I make sarcastic comments through The Exorcist. I thought Paranormal Activity was laughably pathetic. I giggle like a schoolgirl at Itallian cannibal movies. And if I need to unwind, I watch Suspiria or Profundo Rosso. I'm hoping to sit down with the kids and watch [REC.] soon, or Alien. I was born warped, no question there. I'm the mean old cow that laughs when Old Yeller dies. But that movie, boy does it make me cry... I think kids change you in all kinds of ways; opening you up to all kinds of scary emotions that make you burst into tears at illogical stuff like Disney movies!

Jack speaks to my parental instinct a lot... it really speaks volumes on how much quality Bioware crammed into her character. Good job, Bioware.

We say that a lot in here, don't we? :D

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Mondo47 wrote...

I keep finding myself thinking along these kinds of lines...

Jack: (lying across Shepard's chest, breathing hard) ****, that was good... you seemed a little... distracted though. Something on your mind?

Shep: You could say that... my couch was floating four feet off the deck, my coffee table tried to get in bed with us twice, all my model ships fell off their shelves, the bathroom door kept opening and closing by itself, and the fish boiled in the fishtank...


Epic :D

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In some ways, and I don't mean to belittle the storyline in anyway, but Jack's romance is, in a lot of ways, an extended version of a Hurt Comfort fic. It's a chance to take somebody damaged and try to make them whole again.  The strength of the Jack romance, though, is that it isn't as fluffy and light as those fics:  there's a LOT of hurt built up, and it takes a lot of working through Jack's defenses to even get to the comfort part.  I've always said that, while it probably isn't realistic that somebody could start getting over past traumas like Jack's so quickly, it's a good feeling to think that you could.

In fact, I'm to the point where I almost don't have the heart to have a MaleShep go after anybody else anymore.  Tali may be crushing on him, maybe even in love with him, but she's strong, she'll get over the rejection.  And Miranda... meh, she'll survive.  This might be the last chance for Jack, however, to find somebody willing to take the time to show her compassion; when in her life would she ever let somebody get close like this again?

(Wow, you guys spent all night talking about this, and I spent my night posting in troll threads and making MaleShep and Zaeed do it. I feel so ashamed. :P )

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BobbyTheI wrote...

In some ways, and I don't mean to belittle the storyline in anyway, but Jack's romance is, in a lot of ways, an extended version of a Hurt Comfort fic. It's a chance to take somebody damaged and try to make them whole again.  The strength of the Jack romance, though, is that it isn't as fluffy and light as those fics:  there's a LOT of hurt built up, and it takes a lot of working through Jack's defenses to even get to the comfort part.  I've always said that, while it probably isn't realistic that somebody could start getting over past traumas like Jack's so quickly, it's a good feeling to think that you could.

In fact, I'm to the point where I almost don't have the heart to have a MaleShep go after anybody else anymore.  Tali may be crushing on him, maybe even in love with him, but she's strong, she'll get over the rejection.  And Miranda... meh, she'll survive.  This might be the last chance for Jack, however, to find somebody willing to take the time to show her compassion; when in her life would she ever let somebody get close like this again?

(Wow, you guys spent all night talking about this, and I spent my night posting in troll threads and making MaleShep and Zaeed do it. I feel so ashamed. :P )


My Shep Relationship Tally thus far:

Remaining Faithful to Liara: 1
Abstaining Completely: 2
Romancing Jacob: 1
Romancing Tali: 1
Romancing Miranda: 1 (and only because I'm playing the character as John Shaft... he'd scrog them all and then end up with the 'obvious' hot one... I used the 'S' word again... Mondo Disapproves -10)
Romancing Jack: 3

I can't bring myself to touch Garrus, he's my buddy, yanno? And Thane is just... asking for tears before bedtime, and his instant-mix dressing sachet of diet charisma, depth and tragedy is just bloody insipid. And as for the ME1 love interests...

Ditching Ash: 4
Ditching Liara: 1
Ditching Kaidan: 1
Speaks volumes, doesn't it? ;)

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BobbyTheI wrote...

In some ways, and I don't mean to belittle the storyline in anyway, but Jack's romance is, in a lot of ways, an extended version of a Hurt Comfort fic. It's a chance to take somebody damaged and try to make them whole again.  The strength of the Jack romance, though, is that it isn't as fluffy and light as those fics:  there's a LOT of hurt built up, and it takes a lot of working through Jack's defenses to even get to the comfort part.  I've always said that, while it probably isn't realistic that somebody could start getting over past traumas like Jack's so quickly, it's a good feeling to think that you could.

In fact, I'm to the point where I almost don't have the heart to have a MaleShep go after anybody else anymore.  Tali may be crushing on him, maybe even in love with him, but she's strong, she'll get over the rejection.  And Miranda... meh, she'll survive.  This might be the last chance for Jack, however, to find somebody willing to take the time to show her compassion; when in her life would she ever let somebody get close like this again?

(Wow, you guys spent all night talking about this, and I spent my night posting in troll threads and making MaleShep and Zaeed do it. I feel so ashamed. :P )


I think one of the great things that shows the versatility of the writing for the Jack romance is that, at one point, even Shepard himself has the option to say that he knows he can't just magically fix what's happened to her (about 1-minute in). Now, I don't know what the other options at that point allow Shepard to say, but for someone like you, Bobby, and others who understand the extent to which Jack's life has been affected, it allows us to have our Shepard acknowledge that damage. It's nice to know that the writers gave some realism to the conversation on that level.

As for the romance scene and whether or not they had sex? At first, I think I always just assumed that they did have sex because there was a part of me that thought, "Oh that's what Bioware would have shown if they'd had the balls to do something like they did in ME1." But the more time goes by, the more I think about it, and the more I read and look at it... I don't think they ever did have sex, and instead it was like that Destructoid article said; they just spent some good, wholesome time being together and allowing Jack the first chance in a long time to drop all her defenses and truly be happy and content with something. 

Now, I also believe that Bioware has constructed and presented these scenes, all of them, to be interpreted to whatever degree the player wants to interpret them.  If you believe they had sex, then there's nothing to say they didn't, and likewise there's nothing to say they necessarily just cuddled and made out if that's what you think happened. Obviously, some of the romance scenes leave a bit less to the imagination (*cough*Miranda*cough*), but I think I'm coming to appreciate how Bioware decided to present these scenes this time around, and it's making the game feel like it's much more of "your" game. It's "you" that it's happening to, and it's "you" who decides the deep down, nitty-gritty details that are implied when the screen fades to black.

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Four times Jack, twice Tali and one Miranda that I felt insanely dirty about. If I had to rank 'em and rate 'em...

JACK: Duh. 5/5

TALI: Extraordinarily easy and plays to the base. But Liz Sroka is astounding. No two ways about it. 5/5

GARRUS: Deceptively good. Starts out sweet and and becomes meaningful at the every end. Loves me some slow-burn writing. 4/5

THANE: Similar to Jack in that we build up to an emotional outpouring, which is good, but spoke a lot more while saying less. 4/5

ASHLEY: She's not afraid of me and she doesn't need me, So that has to count for something. Doesn't flatter you at all (which I like), but not a whole lot in the way of depth. 3/5

KAIDAN: Remarkably clipped dude, which presents a challenge.  Trauma dealt with without resorting to laquering on pathos, but nothing to really get passionate about.  3/5

LIARA: Cookie-cutter and somewhat lame but her development in ME2 speaks of promise. Whether she winds up as the partner in an epic romance or Miss Havisham remains to be seen. Cautiously optimistic in the face of great potential. 3/5

MIRANDA: Wildly uneven, with Miranda not picking a consistent tone in any of the scenes she's in. 2/5

JACOB: Can be used by vets to neuter stray cats. It's that bad. 1/5

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royceclemens wrote...

JACOB: Can be used by vets to neuter stray cats. It's that bad. 1/5


So... you'd consider him, like Kaidan, to be a "clipped" romance? :whistle:








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Don't know if anyone has seen this one yet, I think it's one of the best pieces of Jack out there.



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1490 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has seen this one yet, I think it's one of the best pieces of Jack out there.

*SNIP*


Now THAT is fan art I can support. Very nice, clean, and basic shot of Jack being Jack. I like!! :happy:

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gneissguy2003 wrote...

1490 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has seen this one yet, I think it's one of the best pieces of Jack out there.

*SNIP*


Now THAT is fan art I can support. Very nice, clean, and basic shot of Jack being Jack. I like!! :happy:


http://dolmheon.deviantart.com/

This guy has several other drawings of Jack and other ME 2 characters, and they're all quite good.

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There's more on his/her gallery dolmheon.deviantart.com/gallery/

EDIT: ahhh I'm to slow!

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royceclemens wrote...

MIRANDA: Wildly uneven, with Miranda not picking a consistent tone in any of the scenes she's in. 2/5

JACOB: Can be used by vets to neuter stray cats. It's that bad. 1/5


Yeah, true, but I'll say this for them; sometimes you just need that itch scratched. Personality, intelligence, all the big things, they're for keepers, but for casual sex... if it looks like you'll get ridden like the Kentucky Derby... ;)

Sometimes being the priiiize isn't all that bad. Unless they have your phone-number.

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1490 wrote...

gneissguy2003 wrote...

1490 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has seen this one yet, I think it's one of the best pieces of Jack out there.

*SNIP*


Now THAT is fan art I can support. Very nice, clean, and basic shot of Jack being Jack. I like!! :happy:


http://dolmheon.deviantart.com/

This guy has several other drawings of Jack and other ME 2 characters, and they're all quite good.


**** me, that is good... it carries her vulnerability so well :o