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[Barrendall]

I definitely don't see Butch where Jack is concerned. I didn't find Demi Moore "Butch" either when she cut her hair short for her Navy Seal flic.(I can't remember the name of the movie, sorry)

[axl99]

What? G.I Jane?



Are Jack's tats seriously the first thing most people remember seeing of her? I saw the surgical scars underneath them in the closeups about 10 seconds into her reveal trailer. She's seriously scarred all over!

[Pacifien]

axl99 wrote...
Are Jack's tats seriously the first thing most people remember seeing of her? I saw the surgical scars underneath them in the closeups about 10 seconds into her reveal trailer. She's seriously scarred all over!

I probably did take notice of the tattoos first with the reveal trailer. At some point it clicked that a lot of those tattoos resembled medical markers than artistic design. I probably noticed the scars after that, but took them as scars of battle. It wasn't until the game that I figured a good deal of those scars were probably tied to the medical markers.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Speaking of Fight for the Lost trailers...after laying the game, doesn't it seem a little like the reasons Jack and Grunt gave for why they are "fighting for the lost" should be switched around?

[Collider]

I view the FftL trailer for Jack to be typical game advertising sensationalism and not completely true to how she is not represented in game.



Also, I see the whole "butch" thing as a little silly

[Barrendall]

axl99 wrote...

What? G.I Jane?

Are Jack's tats seriously the first thing most people remember seeing of her? I saw the surgical scars underneath them in the closeups about 10 seconds into her reveal trailer. She's seriously scarred all over!

Yeah that's the movie thanks axl.  I just thought she was gorgeous.  That's the first thing that entered my mind.  That and spunky!

[WooRash]

First time poster. Just wanted to say this:

I feel like Jack's world is a messed up place. When she gets free on the prison
ship, she turns her environment into a reflection of her internal world --
angry, full of death and destruction -- chaos.

We see the full realization of that reality in Teltin.

Someone who lives in a mental state like that -- they may not be very nice, and
perhaps you cannot forgive their trespasses. But doesn't it say a great deal when
someone who lives in *that* world is able to reach out to you -- or will allow
you to reach out to them? Maybe we shouldn't make allowances for an
individual's origins or backstory, but I don't think we can deny how much they
had to overcome just to be civil, much less companionable.

IRL, I try to appreciate everyone based on the context they
are coming from.  I hope that game
characters can live in a similar depth. 

Modifié par WooRash, 29 octobre 2010 - 07:13 .

[Epantiras]

Just to avoid misunderstandings about my use of the word "butch", of course I was parodying the way Jack-haters speak ;-)

axl99 wrote...
Are Jack's tats seriously the first thing most people remember seeing of her?

Uhm... yes :innocent: tats and beltbra. It took me ages to notice the scarring... I've probably noticed a scar or two during my first playthrough, but I didn't know of the big surgical ones until someone pointed it out here on the forums! That Y shaped scar on her abdomen is the scariest of all - but it's partially hidden inside the star-shaped tattoo.

[LiquidGrape]

Personally, it was the shaved head. I have a shameful obsession with that particular hair-do (or hair-don't), so...

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 29 octobre 2010 - 01:21 .

[Skyline_Stanza]

Jack's got some good features about her and I can obviously see where people might consider her to be 'butch'. I like the design of her face overall, it's very beautiful and expressive. I'll have to go and see if I can't find some of those surgical scars people keep referring to. I know I've seen some scars in the character reveal trailer, but not her FFTL trailer.



I've always thought of Grunt and Jack as being 'combat buddies', for lack of a better term. They like a good fight, pure and simple. I'm trying my hand at a fanfic that goes into some detail about the squadmates and thier interactions, so trying to nail down how Grunt and Jack would interact with one another would be a great help. Anyone have any tips or suggestions?

[Mondo47]

The first time I noticed Jack's scars was really the very first image I saw of her - the promotional shot of her back. I think it went for me something like "Wow, lot of tattoos, is that a skull in there? Jesus Christ, did someone cut her spine out or something?" Before I noticed all the medical tattoos I saw that big grim line down her back and figured maybe someone had done a Steve Austin on her.

As for Jack and Grunt... the way I've written it has always been crafted more by my perception of Grunt than Jack. I took Grunt along the very first time I busted jack out of Purgatory and what did he say?

"Jack is SMALL."

Totally unimpressed. Five minutes later -

"She's tearing the place apart! I like her!"

That's Grunt. He's this big, over-excited kid when it comes to violence. Jack obviously impresses him - she must be very much like another krogan, albeit in a small, fragile package. She can't weigh a fifth of what Grunt weighs, yet she takes no sh*t from anyone or anything, she eats enough for someone three times her bodyweight, and she has all the destructive potential of a pan of nitro and a match. Grunt would respect that. Shepard is respected because he/she leads, has strong enemies, and generally fits all the usual points for respect amongst krogan (culturally-speaking). Jack does too in some ways. Grunt would know that if there was a fight in the offing, she wouldn't run from it; she'd fight and win or die trying if that was the way it went. Thoughtful fighters like Garrus or Thane are "too smooth" for his tastes, and yet here's this little girl who most certainly has a quad. He'd like her, respect her, pass time with her, though probably only as far as any krogan does; they get together to fight, to feast, and that's about it - they strike me as fairly solitary, even when bound together in clans because life can be snuffed out so readily on Tuchanka. She'd be a strong part of Grunt's krannt, worthy of respect despite being an alien... in fact, she's probably the closest thing to clan on the ship aside from Shepard. It makes sense when they are together they'd get on.

I see Jack though seeing Grunt in a slightly different way. Sure, she'd respect his strength and fearlessness, but he's a kid. He's not seen much of the way the galaxy works, while she has. I imagine she'd tease him or just openly mock his big scaly ass sometimes... it might even border on verbal abuse or bullying (though bear in mind what would count as bullying to a krogan would for a human most likely count as attempted murder or torture - I doubt it'd make much impression on Grunt; culturally the krogan are like rocks compared to fleshy things like humans). But one thing Jack would like is that Grunt wouldn't lie to her, use her, or manipulate her. In his bruishness and immaturity is honesty. She'd like it. He'd be "safe" to her. She might think of herself as his superior in a few ways, but I think she'd be endeared to him... think of a big snotty sister and an irritating little brother; she'll taunt him and tweak his ears, he'll sulk and strap her dolls to a cherry bomb, but underneath it all is affection and a sense of family. That's how I see 'em... with Shepard being the exasperated parental figure

[axl99]

Jack is totally the older sister to Grunt, she pokes fun at his age and the fact he's going through puberty.

[Skyline_Stanza]

The instant you described Shep as an exasperated parental figure, I imagined this.

Shep: DON'T MAKE ME TURN THIS HAMMERHEAD AROUND.



Thanks for the input, Mondo. You really know your way around these characters. *Sigh*, now all I have to do is make sure I get them 'in' character. I always seem to struggle with how a squadmate would talk, either to Shepard or another squadmate. Both Jack and Grunt are pretty basic and blunt when it comes to voicing thier feelings, but they have a way of speaking that is unique to them. Same goes with the other characters I'm trying to research.

[Skyline_Stanza]

axl99 wrote...

Jack is totally the older sister to Grunt, she pokes fun at his age and the fact he's going through puberty.

  HA! I love it. It's so true. Now to see if I can't encorperate this idea correctly into my fic.

[Mondo47]

Excuse me... not sure what happened there

Modifié par Mondo47, 29 octobre 2010 - 04:28 .

[Pacifien]

Mondo47 wrote...
As for Jack and Grunt... the way I've written it has always been crafted more by my perception of Grunt than Jack. I took Grunt along the very first time I busted jack out of Purgatory and what did he say?

"Jack is SMALL."

Totally unimpressed. Five minutes later -

"She's tearing the place apart! I like her!"

I can't not take Grunt to Purgatory. It's the highlight of my game, it is.

[Iwakura-Lain]

axl99 wrote..

Are Jack's tats seriously the first thing most people remember seeing of her? I saw the surgical scars underneath them in the closeups about 10 seconds into her reveal trailer. She's seriously scarred all over!

First thing I saw of her was just her face, really. After... realizing she was a girl -- and a pretty one at that. I thought I was going to free some badass Zaeed-type hardened criminal. Imagine my surprise.

And her tattoes, at first I just mistook them some for some sort of colorful, light-weight, cameouflage suit. Took me a minute or so to realize it's really just her covered entirely in tattoes.

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 29 octobre 2010 - 05:43 .

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

From a writing standpoint, was that done particularly well, the way the writers went out of their way to avoid revealing to the player who/what Jack is?  Until she pops out of cryo, we have no idea what to expect.  If Bioware hadn't released those trailers of Jack before the release of the game, would the in-game reveal have been that much better?

In one word - YES!

If only they'd kept a lid on it... but then again, she was drafted into the marketing tool department to be the badass sexy alt-gal.

[Iwakura-Lain]

yorkj86 wrote...

From a writing standpoint, was that done particularly well, the way the writers went out of their way to avoid revealing to the player who/what Jack is?  Until she pops out of cryo, we have no idea what to expect.  If Bioware hadn't released those trailers of Jack before the release of the game, would the in-game reveal have been that much better?

To me it still *was* a big surprise, as I hadn't seen trailers with Jack in it (or if I had seen the girl, it didn't realize that was Jack).

Modifié par Iwakura-Lain, 29 octobre 2010 - 06:02 .

[Epantiras]

I did my first playthrough in the Italian version... and in Italian, adjectives change slightly according to the gender of whom you're talking about... so I *immediately* knew that warden Kuril was talking about a woman v_v epic fail!

That's one of the many things that made me re-install the whole game in the English version.

[Skyline_Stanza]

If I didnt know about Jack through the trailers and went into Purgatory blind, not knowing anything about the character? I would be shocked, amazed, and a little horrified (SHE'S going to be on MY SHIP?!) Then I'd probably try to get her to let her barriers down (no pun intended) and open up to my FemShep. I would assume she was a romance option for both sexes, and then kind of be shocked when she said she 'wouldn't play on the girl's team'.

But overall, I still like Jack as a character, even if I did get to know more about her through trailers than interaction.