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[Razorsedge820]

Dominus5412 wrote...

I swear I'm the only one who wouldn't mind a new cast of characters.

I wont mind a new cast of characters as long as all the six ME2 love interests are squad mates as well. As much as I do not like some LI's (I wont name who) I want to see everyone get a fair chance with their favorite characters in ME3. But a cameo appearance for ME2 Love interests in the next game is unacceptable.

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 30 octobre 2010 - 04:57 .

[jtav]

I think I'm going to make a conscious effort to take Jack everywhere with me next game and to romance her. Would you guys be interested in me posting my thoughts as I play? My first attempt at romancing her didn't go well, but I like Jack as a character.

[Pacifien]

jtav wrote...
I think I'm going to make a conscious effort to take Jack everywhere with me next game and to romance her. Would you guys be interested in me posting my thoughts as I play? My first attempt at romancing her didn't go well, but I like Jack as a character.

I've love to hear your thoughts as you play. Or after you play.

I still have a neglected playthrough where I was intent on taking Jack everywhere and romancing her as well, since I've never done that. Part of me liked the idea of being a Jack fan without having the perspective of having romanced her, though. I get the feeling that some people will dismiss someone's interest in a character simply because they feel the person has been blinded by the romance arc. It's good to say I can't be blinded by something I haven't done.

Just thought I'd say I think those people who do that are wrong, but it comes up in debates nonetheless.

[Bann Duncan]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

axl99 wrote...

What? G.I Jane?

Are Jack's tats seriously the first thing most people remember seeing of her? I saw the surgical scars underneath them in the closeups about 10 seconds into her reveal trailer. She's seriously scarred all over!

I think one of the first things I remember about ME2 is that it was turned into Boobs Effect 2.  Every female squadmate had their boobs focussed on in some way.  It just seemed odd how there was such a shift from the first game in that sense.

I think the EA partnership and the success of ME1 were the main factor's of the "dumbing down" of ME2. The relationship between EA and Bioware is reminiscent of the relationship between Lupe Fiasco and Atlantic Records. If anyone here got that reference I'm proud, very very proud. Basically, Atlantic Records wanted Lupe Fiasco to dumb down his newest album and make it more mainstream. There was this huge debate and 2+ years later, Lupe (Bioware in this analogy) won. I think EA did the same with Bioware. Only difference is, Lupe Fiasco held out and won his battle, unlike Bioware. Did EA play ME2, and make Bioware simplify it? No, but I'm sure they gave their opinions. Like Atlantic, money was the biggest factor here, not the fans.

PS: I just realized that all of those "dumb it down" references I was making, probably flew over everyone's head. It's a song by Lupe Fiasco, wherein he addresses that very topic. Most. Complex. Song. Ever. Only if you can look past the hook, which is in fact quite intentionally ironic. I suggest youtubing it or something, definetly worth it.

Ohh back OT: The only thing I particularly dislike about the Jack romance has nothing to do with Jack herself. I hate how Shepard has this whole "I know you want this" attitude throughout the whole thing. Jack kept pushing him away but Shepard kept coming back like a creepy stalker. Not at all Jack's fault of course, just Bioware's. It pushes me away from a fantastic character.

It's not really an obscure reference. Lupe did not have quite that many industry troubles personally - he's talking about the record industry as a whole. Remember, he built up so much popularity and fanbase on his own that Jay-Z volunteered to oversee his debut album, he scored free promotions from Reebok, thus showing that he was bound to be a success even before F&L was released.

[axl99]

It'd be a shame for Jack to be just relegated to a cameo, but if in the unfortunate event she is I'd at least want to see a cutscene of her tearing apart a reaper from the inside out. Because watching her blow stuff up was how we met her anyway.

[pacer90]

Finally did my Jack playthrough...



Very impressed. If it wasn't for LotSB and FINALLYYY getting real Liara back, she would be the greatest ME2 romance by far.



Don't let the haters get you guys down.

[jtav]

yorkj86 wrote...

Sure, it would cool to hear your thoughts as you play through the game.  Taking Jack everywhere makes everything more exciting, and a little less formal.

What kind of Shepard do you plan on playing through with, if you know?

A Cerberus-hating Renegade Earthborn Sole Survivor. May give him a Liara romance in the background, but probably not.

[jtav]

By cheating and giving myself lots of alignment points and RP-ing as I feel appropriate. I'm siding with Jack if I even do both LMs to trigger the confrontation. The only challenge might be Tali/Legion/



You do remember correctly. Why do you ask?

[Errationatus]

Returning characters?

Hmmm.... my predictions:

Jacob - Bro, solid dude, don't really need him, since all of his powers are duplicated at least three times in other characters.  Have him off captaining his own ship trying to hunt down Cerberus cells or leading a team looking for some superweapon or technology to use against the Reaps.

The Illusive Man:  Either being hunted by Shep or laughing his áss off because blowing up the Collector base was absolutely the wrong thing to do.  Just a idiotic Shamalyanian twist there.

Thane:  if a LI, keep him in a support capacity.  Otherwise give him a nice funeral.

Zaeed:  Have him off gathering surviving Blue Suns, Eclipse and Blood Pack (the ones you left alive, anyway) and convincing them to army up for the greater good.  GREAT PR! 

Miranda:  If LI, keep her in a whatever support capacity reserved for the LI's, otherwise have her knitting booties for orphans or something.  Maybe she's kept Jacob around as casual nookie.

Chakwas:  Keep.  Maybe make romancable because that woman is just...  yeah.  There's no downside to Chakwas.  Drinks a little too much, maybe...

Grunt:  Love interest for Kelly.  He will accidently squash then eat her during their three week anniversary.  Will either stay with Shepard or go back to Tuchanka and help Wrex.  What else is there for him, really?

Samara:  Keep her if possible.  Romancable if her choice.  Otherwise have her do the "arrives just when you need her" dramatic coolness that saves the team and keeps her promise to you Paragons.  Hell, to the Renegades too, although it's for the greater good and not you lousy douches.

Kasumi:  probably will be involved in "Chased for the Greybox Reaper, gotta save her" vignette. Perhaps a possible LI, but doubtful.  May be sharing Jacob with Miranda by then.

Liara:  Will be LI, and play background role as SB.  D'uh.

Ash/Kaid:  Can't imagine.  Don't care.  Never liked 'em all that much anyhoo.  Hopefully decent DLC.  Clashing romance thing will likely be another of the "Miranda/Jack interrupt" loyalty variety.  Gotta have enough points to keep either or lose both, ya two-timing bunchas...

Mordin:  Maybe be necessary to reverse Genophage to exploit krogan again under Wrex's guidance.  Useful for understanding undoubted Deus Ex that will be employed in ME3.
Tali:  D'uh.  Either your<3 Eternal Love of All Loves and Forever At Your Side Eternally <3, or an Admiral struggling to get the quarians to pull their heads out of their asses and work with the geth.  I also must wonder if Taliwhackers realize that it's entirely possible that quarian exosuits are much bulkier than they appear and not only is Tali rail-thin, but very, very, very, archaeopteryx-like.  Quarians are denser than humans.  We have a krogan to vouch for it.  That implies some armor plating.  I'm jus' say'n.

Legion:  D'uh.  Off rallying geth to your cause.  Or siding with Reaps because rewriting them, like blowing up the Collector base,  was very, very wrong.

Garrus:  See Tali.  Husbando of Infinite Prowess will, of course, be popping heads off as constant reminders of his undying affection.  May possibly be off on own, may possibly be finally a Spectre and the head of a team of Spectres hunting for the Deus Ex or something along those lines.  That would be kinda cool, though.  Garrus:  Spectre of Spectres. 

Joker:  In an accident that will render him 99.9% cybernetic.  Will spend time flying and loving up the optional EDI-bot-bod.  Probably based on a Miri prototype, so that Joker can constantly quip about "DAT ANTERIOR CHAIR INTERFACE", and "DEM DUAL FORWARD DECELERATOR PACKETS" ...or something like that.

Lastly - Jack:  Kicking tukis, taking names, chewing bubblegum.  Either with you or without you, but doing fine, regardless.  Cannot see her helping orphans or biotic misfits.  She does not have the temperment, not even romanced.  Love can change you, but it can't make you someone else entirely.  That's fiction, and not very good fiction.  The romance confrontation will be interesting, because I can see Jack being rather possessive - even lethally so. 

The biggest ME3 surprise of all could be the fiery destruction of both EA and Bioware when they decide to pull a Halo and quite rudely anally-invert all the PC players by "focusing exclusively" on the console for whatever bvllsh!t reason.  That's just a concern I have.  I liked Halo.  I rather wanted to play the last one and finish the story.  I didn't get to do that because not all of us have that kind of disposable income to have a kick-ass computer and a friggin' 500 dollar Xbox which is what they were at the time.  They're still 435 bucks in my part of Canada.  Some of us are also really friggin' old (past 35! *Gasp*! That's practically antediluvian in gamer circles), and none too good with those stoopid controllers.

Otherwise, we'll just have to hope that ME3 will be made by people using their whole ásses, and we get to spend the three weeks following it's release smiling because we were smart enough to pick another GOTY.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 30 octobre 2010 - 10:43 .

[Mondo47]

You missed one... perhaps the most important of all...

Wrex

Everyone loves Wrex. Even if people judge the krogan as a race of dangerous almost-invulnerable space-thugs, they love Wrex. Wrex is the ultimate badass best buddy character; if it came down to Shepard, alone, and facing impossible (seriously im-f*cking-possible) odds, you know Wrex would show up with a couple of big guns and go down swinging with his friend. And because everyone loves him... I fully expect BioWare to kill him (because as good as BioWare are, they make a lot of very predictable choices in their stories... somtimes it's like reading an abridged version of Hero With A Thousand Faces - the cram-it-all-onto-six-pages version <_< ) . And I'm almost certain I will cry.

But... if it is not the most heroic death in videogame history... it's BioWare that'll be crying. From all the kicks in the nuts I'll be sending them in the mail.

Oh, and if they try the let's-give-Shepard-the-most-heroic-death-in-videogame-history gambit, see above. It was bad enough you railroaded me to death in Dragon Age: Origins. If you do it again, BioWare, I will fong you.

Modifié par Mondo47, 30 octobre 2010 - 11:49 .

[Gorthaur X]

Mondo47 wrote...

Everyone loves Wrex.

So you're saying he'll be starring in his own domcom?

[DarthCaine]

Mondo47 wrote...

Everyone loves Wrex.

I don't. He seemed like a bland copy of Canderous Ordo. I think it's "Everyone loves Garrus"

[RocShemp]

I was trying to think who I'd like to see as Jack if there was ever a Mass Effect 2 movie and, though I feel that Tabrett Bethell could totally pull off the personality (and is totally hot to boot), Jack really reminds me of Kate Nauta a whole heck of a lot.



See what I mean?

Modifié par RocShemp, 31 octobre 2010 - 03:16 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Everybody loves somebody.

and whoever it is, somebody else hates them.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 31 octobre 2010 - 03:18 .

[axl99]

I'm fine with the idea that characters need to grow, even if it means I'll miss them terribly if they're not in the next game. Just so long as they're doin ok, and come back in epic cutscene format.



LoTSB files state Garrus has a great potential to become a leader, but can't really do so when being completely overshadowed by Shepard. I say he's done pretty good for himself as Archangel and on the final Collector mission.



Wrex already gone off to try making Tuchanka a better place, if Garrus goes off to become a spectre or start up another vigilante group to hone his skills in intergalactic guerilla warfare then that's fine with me. If Tali leaves for the Admiralty as well, I'm fine with that too.



If Jack leaves, I'd of course be very very miserable without my husk bowling buddy.

[Collider]

Given that Jack isn't incredibly important in any subplot, she probably won't be as important to the story as most of the other LIs, and certainly Ashley/Kaidan and Liara, who are guaranteed to be alive. But she is a love interest. I expect her to return for that.



Jack probably, if you romanced her, has the least reason to leave Shepard (meaning not be on squad/Normandy).



The only other thing I can think of in terms of other places or roles for her to go would be:



either hunting down those Cerberus members from the datafile she was given, or returning to her criminal life. The latter is supremely unlikely if you romanced her.



If you didn't romance her I could certainly see her as leaving the squad in terms of character. Realistically speaking though, I doubt they would go that route - of not giving players the squad mate simply because you didn't romance them. I can't remember Bioware ever doing anything like that, anyhow. Correct me if I'm wrong.



Sided with Miranda, did the casual sex option, broke up with her, or never even got her loyalty though? I could see her not being on the squad if the player did that. Particularly if you sided with Miranda, because IIRC Jack says something to the effect of that she'll do the mission (the Collector mission) and that's it.

[Elyvern]

Actually,we were kinda talking about this in the Miranda thread,and there is one glimmer of hope. Assuming that every LI can have a romance conflict with a ME1 (or even ME3) LI, the only way to make such a scene convincing is to have all 3 parties in the same room. And it would be extremely hard if some of them are cameo-ed or stuck in another location like Liara. Imagine 2 parties in a room (shep and & returning squadmate) and then the other LI appearing via holographic screens....I really don't see how it's going to work. They can't be cameo-ed, they can't all be stuck in seperate locations, unless Bioware intends that a player can actually avoid conflict by say, not visiting Liara again in the SB ship. It's part of why I think all the LIs will come back somehow and be in part of Shep's squad at one point or another.

[Collider]

yorkj86 wrote...
That last paragraph is the most worrisome.  That's a lot of different possible combinations to try to write around.

I'd probably guess that they'd most likely combine them all into one thing. Did any of those things I listed and Jack just doesn't stick around. Admittedly though, I imagine it's possible that they'll do the same thing as they did in ME2 and not even factor in how you treated the squad mate other than if you romanced them. Some things just don't even make it into the save file that it's imported to the next game. I can understand why they may do that because it's all out easier to write a general of conversations instead of making different ones depending on how you treated the squad mate. Most people are generally nice to their squad mates anyhow.

I really can't see Jack leaving a Shepard who romanced her.  As you said, it would be the least likely thing she would do, probably.  The problem with this, though, is that unless Bioware is going all-out with ME3, they can't have it so that a character's development revolves around its romance arc, if it has one.

Well Bioware did say they are going all out. Which makes the most sense because they don't have to export any save files from ME3. They can have all sorts of brancing paths and not worry about the logistical problem of having that be imported into another game.

I'll also note that Casey Hudson spoke of Jack as if Jack was Bioware's baby. That was the one where he put down Miranda while he was talking about Jack, lol. Not that that proves anything, but it does make me worry less about the character just being thrown out.

[axl99]

Actually I just remembered something... Something really important.



Miranda's knowledge of TIM and the possibility of raiding Cerberus HQ might be just the thing Jack will stick around for, romanced or no.



Miranda being the former Cerberus second-in-command pretty much puts her in the position to arbitrarily "declassify" all she knows about the organization and TIM. Perhaps if the Collector base is blown up of course. Or heck, she might just resign anyway for having been shafted with a suicide mission right after working her ass off to bring Shepard back from the dead - that some SB operative nearly botched.



That's assuming Bioware decides to give Miranda more reasons to betray Cerberus.