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[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
Mondo,

As a Justicar, Samara's words have significant weight.  Justicars may not be popular, but they are respected.  Asari seem to defer to Justicar authority, due to their training, power, honesty, things like that.  She could serve to rally some important asari.

Well, there you go. Samara rallies the asari. Grunt and Wrex rally the krogan. Tali rallies the quarians. Garrus rallies the turians. Kaidan/Ashley rallies the Alliance.

And Jack? Rallies the pirates. Yar!

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

Mondo,

As a Justicar, Samara's words have significant weight.  Justicars may not be popular, but they are respected.  Asari seem to defer to Justicar authority, due to their training, power, honesty, things like that.  She could serve to rally some important asari.

Yeah, I see where your coming from, but I just can't get behind it myself... a huge army rallying to a cause just because one nomadic samurai says it'd be wise to do it... I can't see politicians buying that at all. Hey, maybe it will work out like that, but it just seems too tenuous to my eyes.

[Pacifien]

I think if a developer wanted to use a squadmate that someone killed off during the suicide mission, they'll simply replace the squadmate with Understudy Biff.

[adriano_c]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

I'm wondering if it's going to be a Dragon Age scenario, gathering forces and making/repairing alliances and all that.

The thought of this is vomit-inducing. I can see it now...

Quarian leader - "Sure, we'll ally with you, but first go do such and such for us, because our impending doom isn't enough to make us act on our own accord."

Repeat for all the races.

Modifié par adriano_c, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:18 .

[Loki330]

adriano_c wrote...

There better not be any sort of Landsmeet scenario in the next game. Or some miraculous discovery of "anti-Reaper cyberwarfare algorithms", blah blah.

I'm replaying ME1 with an engineer (mainly to shag Kaidan, I'm determined to try and like Ashley and Kaidan, and so far I'm finding Kaiden seems to suffer from Jack's problem; unless you're romancing him, character (development or interaction) is limited. Anyway, I've noticed there's a few 'Chekov's Guns' lying around-there's those rectangular 'graves' on the equator of a planet, that gas giant with artificial.... somethings, that Volus funding an excavation for something to defeat 'the destroyers' or some mumbo jumbo...

Point is, I am going to be very surprised if ME3 suddenly changes it's gameplay mechanics of the whole series. (Hello Shining Force!) Also, even in ME1 there are hints for Hidden Maguffins that will be needed for ME3

[Epantiras]

My Grey Warden senses tell me that we're going to use the super duper mass cannon which "killed" the derelict reaper. Too bad TIM has probably put his hands on it already!

[Pacifien]

Epantiras wrote...
My Grey Warden senses tell me that we're going to use the super duper mass cannon which "killed" the derelict reaper. Too bad TIM has probably put his hands on it already!

You know, the Illusive Man does mention they found the weapon and that was the end of it. My first thought was "well, can I have the weapon so I can fire it on the Omega-4 Mass Relay? Thanks."

But we're getting off the track of Jack, which means I have to find a way to get us back on track....

Uh....

If Jack were an animal, I think she'd be a honey badger. They'll rip your testicles off, you know.

[Skyline_Stanza]

Pacifien wrote...

If Jack were an animal, I think she'd be a honey badger. They'll rip your testicles off, you know.

 HA. That's rich.

Suffice to say I'm not too good at these kinds of characerizations. Jack....to me....she'd be some sort of rabid animal, but that's just me thinking about her wild tendincies without really thinking about her. As I said....not too good at these "If _____ were an animal" things.

[Pacifien]

You should read up on honey badgers. Jack is totally a honey badger. She's a survivor against giants. She'll attack with viciousness far beyond what you'd think someone of her size is capable of achieving. She will aim for the testicles.

[Epantiras]

I'd say a dog. A dog who has been mistreated and abandoned by its previous owner and now bites anyone who comes too close.

[adriano_c]

Pacifien wrote...

You should read up on honey badgers. Jack is totally a honey badger. She's a survivor against giants. She'll attack with viciousness far beyond what you'd think someone of her size is capable of achieving. She will aim for the testicles.

I'm going to assume you've recently watched that youtube clip of the badger being bitten while attacking a snake, waking up later, and resuming its eating or something.

[adriano_c]

Okay, Tali's being a rag and Windex is funny.

-edit. Is that from the same person that did the cartoon of the crew using their omni-tools or some such? Looks familiar. Love their style and use of colours.

Modifié par adriano_c, 03 novembre 2010 - 06:28 .

[Big Blue Car]

adriano_c wrote...

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

I'm wondering if it's going to be a Dragon Age scenario, gathering forces and making/repairing alliances and all that.

The thought of this is vomit-inducing. I can see it now...

Quarian leader - "Sure, we'll ally with you, but first go do such and such for us, because our impending doom isn't enough to make us act on our own accord."

Repeat for all the races.

Yeah that'll almost inevitably be the plot of the third game, at least partly. 

What I'd like would some real tough choices to make. Like choosing between the support of the Geth or the Quarians, along with choosing between Legion and Tali. Choosing between the new Krogan empire and the Salarian forces, between the reborn Rachni and the Turian fleet. Between the asari and the pirate fleets of the Terminus, and their brutal,  pragmatic queen who used to be called Jack. Choosing between Cerberus and the Alliance.

[Errationatus]

I think there's been enough foreshadowing in ME2, and in the codex and remarks by characters to give us an inkling where ME3 might be going.

Firstly, we have unopened relays.  Keeping the squad makes sense if you have to spend time racing around finding clues as to which one opens the right set of relays.  What's on the other side of those relays?  A weapon of some kind, (sheesh, there's been enough hints dropped), or the rest of the Reapers that don't reap, or a dormant race of ant-Reaps.  C'mon, someone must have at least driven them off at least once in their 50 million year rampage. 

That scenario allows you to keep your squad.  For maximum coolness, Bioware splits the squad up, and each selection has to search a different sector and as Shep you get to choose who commands each 'strike team' - and you get to play as that leader on each of your seperate missions, which all dovetail to each squad finding a part or a clue that does whatever and defeats/drives off/cripples the Reaps. Overseen by the Shadow Broker, who has assembled the clues that leads the Teams on their various quests.

I don't think there'd be either a trial or a prison break (no offence, but either is kinda trite), but I can see them being pursued on their missions, which adds to the tension.  Perhaps it's possible for each, any, or all of your teams to get caught, delayed, or otherwise impeded (with ways to get away, of course,or we is all screwed).  In the meantime, those who do the convincing are out doing that, or the Reapers' vanguard have started eating planets on the fringes of the galaxy (cue Mondo's Epic yet hopeless space battle) and at the patented Nick Of Time you finally get everything together and unleash... whatever.  The game ends well with all the races finally seeing something eye to eye, and all is sunsets, held hands, kumbyeya and roses or badly and the Reaps eat all our sorry asses, tender goodbyes, and all that.

Also, if BW is smart, they'll "evolve" the character's abilities (especially if they're all playable!  For 'strike team purposes', natch), so that Jack finally gets her Cutscene MechSlam, or SuperCrush on top of her usual biotics (if they're smart, they'll modify those too - to something a bit more character appropriate).

You could also add in buckets of that requested character development and interaction as you play each Strike Team, with the development being different if an LI leads a team.  Who knows, maybe the ladies will wear armor  in combat for a change.  I know, I know, weird, but it could happen.

C'mon - wouldn't you all love to have a chance to play AS Jack, for a decent chunk of the game?  We didn't mind all that much with Joker, did we?  Couldn't we construe that as a little test by Bioware? Is that possible?

To me, that would work, and if handled well, we get the added bonus of deeper character interaction and the chance to play not only as our Shepard, but as Jack, or Garrus, or Samara, or Miranda, etc, as well, which would rock.  Give me four or five DVD's of content, I don't care, just make it deep and cool, and I'll spend the hunnert and whatever bucks on't and be a happy boy.

It might be a bit much, or a bit much to ask for, but I'd play it.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 03 novembre 2010 - 07:35 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

If she's disliked by so many people, though, it might seem to those people that Bioware is trying to force her down their throats.  If she was designed to be unlikable, and many people dislike her, she might be a success from a writing standpoint, but would she be worth the investment to bring her back for the next game?

I know that Jack's possible role in ME3 is discussed a lot, but if the final game is about destroying the Reapers, what exactly does Jack bring to the table?  I don't know why the criminal element would give a hoot anyway, as they'd likely just go and loot and smash while the Reapers do their thing, but Aria would have far more influence with pirates and the like than Jack.

Anyway, it's late, and I'm tired, and rambling.

At the end of the day, she's disliked because people don't pay enough attention to her in my opinion. I was that way my first playthrough, but as I listened to her dialog, especially the part about the space station, I realized she had a lot in common with Garrus and Samara. She's simply on the other side of the fence, but she hates injustice just as much as those two.

EDIT: I guess if we use a Batman analogy, she would be scarface.

I like this, but I struggle to see the connection between the three. How do you think Jack's like Garrus and Samara, now?

Her story about the Space Station, where she blows up the station because the Turians were attacking a colony that she liked or had already destroyed it. She describes how sometimes, you have to really work to give people what they deserve.

She essential revenged the colony because the turians attacked it.

Also, she describes her many misdeeds, but also how she would protect herself without mercy. That's why I see her as a Scarface kind of character. Definitely not a good guy, but not a immoral lunatic like, say, Morinth.

Her character contrasts that of Garrus and Samara because of her dislike for injustice (usually when it comes to her or the few she cares about) but obviously it isn't the same relationship as between Garrus and Samara.

The small similarity adds a different aspect to her in that she is like a fallen hero. She could have been so different, so good, but instead she is the way she is.

[GuardianAngel470]

Mondo47 wrote...

This debate on "who brings what to the table in ME3" always makes me perk an eyebrow.

I mean, the logical expectation is that the game will climax with some kind of fleet combat; a squad logically bears no threat to a massive fleet of two-kilometer-long mecha-bug/squid/whatevers. So, if that is indeed logical, who brings anything to the table?

Well, Legion could conceivably call in the geth en-mass, and Tali could haul in the flotilla at a push (though if she does become an admiral, that becomes much more plausible). Shep probably has some clout with the Alliance, but the Council is probably much harder to swing. Seriously, though - who else has any pulling power?

Miranda and Jacob might be able to drag in a few vessels from Cerberus-based concerns, and based on the connections between some parts of the Alliance, Cerberus might be able to pull strings to get the Alliance fleet involved. Grunt can't seriously be thought to carry any clout with the krogan, and they don't have a fleet anyway even if Shep could twist Wrex's arm. Kasumi, Thane, Samara and Garrus don't have any real status beyond small circles. Mordin may be respected back home, but his political power is probably zero. Zaeed might have a lot of mercenary contacts, but I doubt he could rustle up much in terms of fleet strength, and you might argue the same with Jack in regards to pirates. Seriously - aside from three characters, who can pull much more than a handful of ships?

After seeing what one Reaper could do, there really is no conceivable way for anyone to really muster a worthwhile challenge to the Reapers en-mass. There really has to be another way, unless BioWare ditch the mechanics of the game entirely for the endgame... a strategy that requires Shep and his ragtag band of merry men and women to stick it to the mecha-calamari. And if that is the case, then Jack, and everyone else, has as much to bring to the table as anyone else.

This is the only way I can think about the endgame playing out thus far. Until BioWare tips us a wink as to the big finish playing out a particular way, I think it's safest to say that all bets are off.

You're forgetting the Rachni, Krogan, and Terminus that Shepard can bring to the table. Krogan are ground troops but the Rachni and Terminus each have fleets.

As for the rest, obviously the Geth for legion, as you mentioned, and Samara for the Council along with Mordin, Thane for the Hanar (he was very good at his job), and Liara for the SB.

[Big Blue Car]

Mordin = Has the ear of the Salarian STG and by extension the government, he could feasibly bring in allies.

Samara = The same, Justicars are respected.

Jack = The pirate queen of the Terminus, so she has an entire merc fleet to call.

Jacob = No, nothing to offer except a loyal and competent soldier.

Miranda = Cerberus resources, maybe even some combat vessels.

Kaidan/Ashley = A way in to the Alliance, and the huge fleet they offer.

Liara = She's the god damn Shadow Broker, if she can't summon a fleet she isn't doing her job.

Wrex = Don't underestimated the new Krogan empire for ground troops.

Legion = The Geth are awesome and they will help my Shepard/

Tali = Even if not an Admiral, she's a god damn hero to the Quarians. She can get them on side.

Garrus = Not a very good Turian, disgraced and alone. He'll still be kicking ass with me right to end of all things though.

Zaeed = Nothing to offer but firepower, if he could still call in mercs he wouldn't be a lone gun for hire.

Kasumi = Nothing. Maybe if we need a Reaper control chip stolen or something.

Thane = I doubt he'll still be alive, but if he is the Drell have an assassin network to call on and the Hanar have a lot of diplomatic clout.

[Epantiras]

JakeMacDon wrote...
C'mon - wouldn't you all love to have a chance to play AS Jack, for a decent chunk of the game?  We didn't mind all that much with Joker, did we?  Couldn't we construe that as a little test by Bioware? Is that possible?

To me, that would work, and if handled well, we get the added bonus of deeper character interaction and the chance to play not only as our Shepard, but as Jack, or Garrus, or Samara, or Miranda, etc, as well, which would rock.  Give me four or five DVD's of content, I don't care, just make it deep and cool, and I'll spend the hunnert and whatever bucks on't and be a happy boy.

One of my favourite moments of Knights of the Old Republic 2 are those in which you get to play AS your squadmates: for example, your squad is split in two teams who act at the same time but in two different places and you get to play as the team leaders! They'll do the talking (like when you play as Morrigan in the Fade), but you can choose what they will say once or twice and that has repercussions on the fate of that character. I really would like to see something like that in ME3! But not too often, or the plot may become a bit too messy.

[GuardianAngel470]

yorkj86 wrote...

Did I miss an in-game conversation somewhere, or...? People keep calling Jack the Pirate Queen, but I thought that that's functionally Aria.

It is, I believe the above poster made a typo or confused his characters.