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[Gethforceone]

Elyvern wrote...

I wish someone could give me a list of dialogue choices that wouldn't make me despise Shepard. Collider mentioned that at one point in time, when Jack says she needs more time to think, Shepard says "you're not the thinking kind." and I was so aghast. How could he say that!? O.M.G. Is that the paragon or renegade approach?

You don't need to have that conversation, I find it best that when she says she needs time to think, you have that be the last timeyou talk to her before the omega 4 relay.

[Loki330]

tommyt_1994 wrote...
Okay, thanks. Well, I've completed the entire romance arc (minus the final scene which I just watched on youtube) and the verdict is in lol. It was fantastically written, if you avoid the douchey lines. (which is surprisingly difficult)
Everything from the voice acting, to the camera work, to the content itself was pleasantly well done. Jack's sturggle to let someone in, and particularly the scene where she discusses Murtock were especially moving. The tears in her eyes and the wavering in her voice when she said death was a "f*cking on off switch" was a touching scene. I understand you now Jackolytes, she's officially my 2nd favorite romance option . I will have to import my canon Shepard again to pair him with Jack (hmmm what class?). It was exceptionally well done. 

I suggest engineer if you haven't tried it before, I played one for my kaiden runthrough. I was determined to try and like him-he seems to suffer from Jack Syndrome in ME1, I remember him being like Jacob, but he was miles better in terms of dialogue with my engineer.


...anyways, yeah, engineer's alot of fun. Use drones to flush things out of cover (and blow their heads off/fire/ice them with a pistol (or sniper rifle if you get that) or use it to distract things while you close in with a shotgun. Very versatile, alot of fun. As for me, I think I'll be playing another vanguard for Jack. Pick the claymore instead of the sniper rifle this time perhaps.

[Gethforceone]

Its saddens me to see that there is still no new Sundown fanfic chapter.

[Pacifien]

Similar in that they're killers. Similar in that killing gives them warm fuzzies. Similar in that they will kill without hesitation to survive. Different in that I think Jack is capable of redemption while Morinth is not. Jack tries to repress any feeling of empathy, but her comments about Aresh and whathisname (I honestly forgot it... Murdoch?) indicate it's there. She shows genuine concern for what Cerberus may be doing with the Ascension Project. I never got the feeling that Morinth ever felt pain for the deaths she has taken.

[Weiser_Cain]

yorkj86 wrote...

"Jack vs. Morinth", on the basis of their characters, not their powers.  How are they similar, how are they different?

They both kill.
Casual sex is a bad idea with either of them.

[Mondo47]

Issues with Jackmance dialogue? I think a lot of it can be rooted back to Mr Meer's delivery in most cases. When you just read the dialogue, there are ways that delivery of the lines could make them rather un-potentially-douchey, but it's just Meer's reading of the dialogue itself that isn't really up to snuff. I'm trying not to knock the guy too much, but based on the way he pushes some lines out, I can understand the issues people get with Shep coming off as pushy or as though he's playing headgames with Jack (which he is to an extent - he's trying to bait her out from behind her big tower of sh*t - just in a not-so-justifiable manner).

Differences between Jack and Morinth? Uh... Morinth looks on everyone the same way we all look at a burger; they're food - no more, no less. Emotional investment in anyone other than herself is minimal to say the least. Jack just looks on everyone as a potential threat; are you standing between her and the exit or not? If you are and you don't move, you're gonna get hurt. If you do move, you know what's good for you. Jack emotionally invests in people a lot though, despite her rough exterior; her moments of emotional expression (even the negative ones where she is hardnosed or outright confrontational) prove that. I'd say the differences are pretty huge, unless you work on fundamentals like gender and potential for violence.

[Gethforceone]

They're both killers, and I think even that's pushing it, seeing as they both have vastly different ways of going about it.

[Weiser_Cain]

Yes, Morinth is a serial killer.

[AntiChri5]

What do people think of the hate filled article in the thread York linked?

[Xilizhra]

And to think that I made my own topic so that I wouldn't be butting into the Jack fans' discussions...

[Xilizhra]

Clearly you've never been on /r9k/.

[Xilizhra]

You yourself could probably find a nice home on /x/, considering your evident hallucinations.



All right, that was unkind, but I feel somewhat offended by association here. She's far from misandrist; her gripe is with the existence of certain fantasy patterns that happen to occur more often in men, as rape fantasy patterns occur more often in women. Recognizing the existence of such patterns is not itself sexist. Her only problem is with the presentation.

[Barrendall]

Pacifien wrote...

Similar in that they're killers. Similar in that killing gives them warm fuzzies. Similar in that they will kill without hesitation to survive. Different in that I think Jack is capable of redemption while Morinth is not. Jack tries to repress any feeling of empathy, but her comments about Aresh and whathisname (I honestly forgot it... Murdoch?) indicate it's there. She shows genuine concern for what Cerberus may be doing with the Ascension Project. I never got the feeling that Morinth ever felt pain for the deaths she has taken.

The only thing I would disagree with in this post is "Killing gives them warm fuzzies."  If I remember correctly(That's a big if tho:D) Jack's trigger was fighting not killing.  I'm sure she fought to kill however in most circumstances.  I'm supposing it was the safest bet for her to stay alive. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I suppose the game never makes it explicitly clear exactly what all the circumstances surrounding all the people Jack has killed are, but I get the impression she has standards above killing someone just because they were there or something. Otherwise she wouldn't even have hesitated in the Aresh situation.

[Mondo47]

Actually, bit of a tangent here, but thinking about Jack's romance arc... one of the biggest sticking points for the romance's critics is "Jack changes too fast." Now, am I just halucinating here, or is this absolutely wrong? Jack demonstrates almost immediately after joining the crew of the Normandy that there is a lot more to her than the facade she projects to keep people away from her, and the moments where she almost cries or becomes nervous and confused around Shepard suggest to anyone there's no real "180" at all, just a confirmation that as bad as Jack is, and as bad as she wants the world to think she is, she is still very emotional and human when her big ol' tower of sh*t collapses. We all know this here, yeah?

So why can't people see this? It's not like it was hidden from anyone...

[axl99]

Oh and that outlaw colony business that culumulated into her destroying a Turian space station and crashing it on a Hanar moon? She sounded like she might've found a happy place among like-minded folk until it got all blown to hell.



Sounds like she's got a real sense of obligation when she needs to.

[Ultai]

Was browsing deviantart, not sure if it's been posted but I know people here have talked about how a sole survivor Shep relationship with Jack would play out, and I found this to be a very good scene.





me-romancables.deviantart.com/gallery/25926273#/d306crm

[Barrendall]

yorkj86 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Actually, bit of a tangent here, but thinking about Jack's romance arc... one of the biggest sticking points for the romance's critics is "Jack changes too fast." Now, am I just halucinating here, or is this absolutely wrong? Jack demonstrates almost immediately after joining the crew of the Normandy that there is a lot more to her than the facade she projects to keep people away from her, and the moments where she almost cries or becomes nervous and confused around Shepard suggest to anyone there's no real "180" at all, just a confirmation that as bad as Jack is, and as bad as she wants the world to think she is, she is still very emotional and human when her big ol' tower of sh*t collapses. We all know this here, yeah?

So why can't people see this? It's not like it was hidden from anyone...

If you're not paying attention, of course you'll miss it.  If you're not paying attention, you'll see only the tattooed **** front, and in that case, of course it would seem that Jack changes too fast.   You have to be willing to amend your intial impression of Jack in order to properly understand her.

It's sad to see that many people refuse to amend their initial reaction, but "shrug" if you get it into your head that you don't want to like something, you won't.  I have a family member like this.  Everything is black and white and if something seems the tiniest bit off then they see no use to investigate further.  It's sad and source of minor contention at times. 

@Ultai that's an awesome pic!  Thanks for sharing:)

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

If you're not paying attention, of course you'll miss it.  If you're not paying attention, you'll see only the tattooed **** front, and in that case, of course it would seem that Jack changes too fast.   You have to be willing to amend your intial impression of Jack in order to properly understand her.

That Jack vs. Morinth thread really is crackling with people that seem to have missed the point of Jack. I'd go over and point out Jack's not a psychopath but I'm afraid they'd all tell me the Easter Bunny isn't real in revenge

I do wonder though... if Jack is a "rage-addicted psychopath" who "does a complete 180" because of "Shepard's mighty penis" and is a "complete b*tch" (because she yells at Miranda and reacts badly to being used for casual sex... duh), is this not a case of Jack polarising the audience as the writers intended, but her completely confusing half of the audience. I can't help but think that the hype machine is somewhat responsible for this mess - if this is indeed what it is.

[Barrendall]

 Heh...I had no qualms pointing out over there Jack isn't a psychopath.  Because she isn't.  That has been basically proven time and again on this thread.  Morinth isn't either really.  Morinth is...well I'm hesitant to point out my opinion on what she is here, but whatever.  It's easier I think to make a rash judgement (I've been guilty of this) than to really research out one's own reason for prejudice.