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[Errationatus]

yorkj86 wrote...

Of course, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Jack is tough enough to be able to deal with any fears related to being put under for surgery, as long as she has Shepard's reassurance that the doctors are trustworthy, or that he'll be around to make sure nothing goes wrong.

Does anyone think that Jack wouldn't have major issues with being put under for surgery?

Despite Jack's justifiable paranoia over doctors, there's a relay's length difference between the butchers at Teltin, and someone like Chakwas.  Jack is far from stupid, nor is she as emotionally crippled/stunted as the Shadow Broker painted her.

Above all else, Jack is a survivor.  Somewhere in the Pre-Shepard past, Jack's had to have gone to a doc or two. 

What's important is what is her criteria for a good doctor?  An asari?  Salarian?  The old wizened country doc? A VI controlled robot surgeon?  Or is she a medigel junkie who prays a lot? 

Qualms on Jack's part, sure. Out-and-out reluctance?  Unlikely.  She needs one, she needs one.  She's too smart.

I have a feeling Jack makes double-damn sure any doc she sees is aware of any potential price to be paid for malpractice - one way or another.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 06 décembre 2010 - 06:41 .

[Barrendall]

I'm sort of inclined to agree with Jake here. There's no way that she made it through all her experiences without having to go under the knife for some necessary surgery. Without a doubt she probably made it abundantly clear to the sawbones that was working on her that there would be severe consequences if he screwed up. I wonder how often she would insist on only local anesthetic.

[Gethforceone]

I agree no way she never went to a doc.

[adriano_c]

yorkj86 wrote...

Of course, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Jack is tough enough to be able to deal with any fears related to being put under for surgery, as long as she has Shepard's reassurance that the doctors are trustworthy, or that he'll be around to make sure nothing goes wrong.

Does anyone think that Jack wouldn't have major issues with being put under for surgery?

Given her history, post-escape, I guess she'd have to have a good sense of practicality in terms of doctors and their necessity. To an extent, that is. After all, I don't see her trusting fellow pirates, thugs, or really just about anyone lacking the proper experience, to remove those bits of bullet fragment or shrapnel from hard-to-reach places. However, anything requiring more than a liberal splash of alcohol and a wooden stick to bite down upon would probably be met with a strong aversion. Helplessness (deliberately releasing control, in this case) is likely her greatest fear.

[A2N2T]

I feel that Jack is one of the more deep and interesting out of the romance options.



Also, those lips!

[StefanBW]

I haven't posted here in ages (though I have been lurking from time to time), but I just wanted to say awesome job to Epantiras for the comic she created. \\o/

Man, I haven't played this game in ages as well - but with some free time coming in the holidays I'll definitely be playing some ME2 again. ^^

[royceclemens]

I'd think that Jack woud have to feel something wrong with her before she'd go into a doctor without trepidation. Like a toothache or a gunshot wound. Cancer screenings or routine x-rays? I don't see either of those happening. Or anything like them.



On a completely unrelated topic, someone posted a topic entitled "GIVE JACK HAIR IN ME3" in one of the other forums... And most of the commenters so far are against it.



It's... It's a Christmas miracle!

[Barrendall]

Any chance for a link Royce? I've never believed in miracles and I'd like a chance to see it with my own eyes.

Edit:  Never mind, I misunderstood.  I didn't know it was on the Bioware boards I thought it was a different forum altogether.

Modifié par Barrendall111, 07 décembre 2010 - 05:08 .

[royceclemens]

No doubt, york. But I will say this, though: That picture of Jack with hair on page 376 in the Demotivationals thread? Now I'm in complete agreement with the fact that Jack's baldness makes her, well, Jack.

But in the realm of pure aesthetics? The Hargitay suits her. Accentuates her features.

Modifié par royceclemens, 07 décembre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Undertone]

royceclemens wrote...

I'd think that Jack woud have to feel something wrong with her before she'd go into a doctor without trepidation. Like a toothache or a gunshot wound. Cancer screenings or routine x-rays? I don't see either of those happening. Or anything like them.

On a completely unrelated topic, someone posted a topic entitled "GIVE JACK HAIR IN ME3" in one of the other forums... And most of the commenters so far are against it.

It's... It's a Christmas miracle!

And that someone would be. If you actually read my post, you would see I am neither ranting nor complaining.

I frequent Jack's topic, seldomly post. She is one of my favourite. At any rate like I said time and time again if made it should be optional. And it's due to curiousity. While Jack's visual style certainly makes her unique, her personality is the most important part. I don't see why a little hair is so scary for the majority of Jack fans. People do change and considering she can be romanced, her LI (Shepard) could influence her. Needless to say I like Jack the way she is but change is always a good thing and it can come optional for those of you who are so fanatical about her not having any hair.

Character (maturity and emotions as well as the character) growth often comes in change in the visual style whether small or big. I would like to see her grow and mature as a person in ME3 due to Shepard's influence.

Modifié par Undertone, 07 décembre 2010 - 10:32 .

[Epantiras]

royceclemens wrote...
On a completely unrelated topic, someone posted a topic entitled "GIVE JACK HAIR IN ME3" in one of the other forums... And most of the commenters so far are against it.
It's... It's a Christmas miracle!

Jack with hair? THIS, or nothing
(it's a joke)

[LordHelfort]

Well the original character designs were pretty interesting, it would have been nice to have some option perhaps to affect physical appearence (which might make sense depending on how 'long' the period ME2 takes place is).



On an unrelated note, what does anyone think of the idea (as I just finished ME: Retribution) of Bioware producing some books about the major characters detailing exploits between or prior to ME2. We could learn how to crash space stations into moons, or more about Garrus' exploits on Omega during his tenure as a Vigilante. Curious what anyone thinks.

[Epantiras]

LordHelfort wrote...
On an unrelated note, what does anyone think of the idea (as I just finished ME: Retribution) of Bioware producing some books about the major characters detailing exploits between or prior to ME2. We could learn how to crash space stations into moons, or more about Garrus' exploits on Omega during his tenure as a Vigilante. Curious what anyone thinks.

That would be great, even if I doubt Bioware will ever do that. I mean, that kind of products would be aimed specifically to the fans of that character, while marketing rules say Bioware should try to sell to the greatest audience possible. Ask yourself... would you ever buy a book about *insert your least favourite character here*?

On the other hand, a book with short stories about all the squadmates would be better, according to the laws of marketing.

[SlottsMachine]

 Hi all, long time reader first time poster and I just wanted
to say a few things 1) I thought this forum was dead until I checked out some
the fan threads, Jack’s and Samara’s to be more specific, both are great 2) I
wanted to thank all the regular posters for both threads, you guys/gals are
awesome, I notice a lot of you are the same, and now to the meat of this post.

 

Played me2 recently got most everyone killed, when Jack dies
during suicide mission intro on account of not getting the ship armor upgrade, Miranda
seemed rather upset. She only says one line, something to the effect of “she’s
gone there is nothing we can do for her” when Shep is freaking out. The reason
it lingered with me is because Miranda seemed rather upset when delivering this
line, imo she was on the verge of tears.

 

I am by no means a fan of Miranda but I don’t hate her or
anything, just wondering how people thing Miranda truly feels towards Jack?  They don’t really interact all that much, the
only real evidence we have is the confrontation between the two, when Miranda
delivers the infamous line “clearly you were a mistake” but does Miranda really
feel this way. We know Miranda is more than capable of being a cold blooded
b****, IMO she may have said this after deducing that it was much most hurtful
thing she could say, and might have regretted it the second she said.

 

Personally I think Miranda may even respect Jack on some
level on account of everything she’s gone through, and still Jack will not
compromise who she is, not for anyone. Plus there’s the fact that horrible
things were done to Jack by Cerberus, which likely was rather hard for Miranda
to rationalize away. Miranda’s role with Cerberus, kind a made me think of a dysfunctional
family, with Cerberus/Illusive Man basically replacing her father/creator, she
may not agree with them all of things, but when pushed she will defend them
with everything she has, somewhat like a someone defending a screw up for a
sibling/child.

 

Miranda is against keeping the collector base, although I
don’t think its for the widely held believe that Cerberus will abuse that power
but because many colonists died horribly, either way this proves she is far
from the Cerberus cheerleader Jack claims, although I would like to know how
Miranda feels/felt about that whole david/overlord thing.

 

I could have put this in the Miranda thread but IMO Jack’s
fans are the most open minded bunch. Plus I always felt like a lot of the Jack
hate spam came from Miranda fanboys, rightly or wrongly.

[Undertone]

yorkj86 wrote...

Undertone wrote...

I frequent Jack's topic, seldomly post. She is one of my favourite. At any rate like I said time and time again if made it should be optional. And it's due to curiousity. While Jack's visual style certainly makes her unique, her personality is the most important part. I don't see why a little hair is so scary for the majority of Jack fans. People do change and considering she can be romanced, her LI (Shepard) could influence her. Needless to say I like Jack the way she is but change is always a good thing and it can come optional for those of you who are so fanatical about her not having any hair.

Character (maturity and emotions as well as the character) growth often comes in change in the visual style whether small or big. I would like to see her grow and mature as a person in ME3 due to Shepard's influence.

Not scary.  Her lack of hair is just a very divisive point for a lot of people, for many different reasons, a lot of them pretty interesting.

Did you not read anything I said? I said optional and under certain circumstances that would make sense for her gradual change.

The lack of hair makes her scary I am sorry but I fail to see how hair or lack thereof can make somebody scary. Jack has never been a scary or intidimidating character. Crazy (in a good way), reckless, angry, spontaneous, confused - absolutely. Perhaps for someone of young age, she might appear scary but that's attribute of your age. If you want your characters static as a brick that's another question.

Modifié par Undertone, 07 décembre 2010 - 10:22 .

[Gethforceone]

How does the lack of hair make someone a brick? All I get from this is you just don't like her without hair.

[royceclemens]

I'm not getting it, Undertone. I'm just trying to imagine Jack's train of thought if she were to undertake what you're proposing. "A boy likes me! People don't need to see my scalp anymore!" And from there it's a slippery slope to Crocs and floral print dresses.

All exaggeratiion aside, what you're putting forward is that Jack change herself for some dude. It doesn't matter if it's her choice or not, it's still derailment. We like Jack for Jack. We don't like Jack because she has the potential for cleaning up well.

Modifié par royceclemens, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:13 .

[LordHelfort]

On the other hand its almost mildly unrealistic that the character remains stone cold status quo forever, since obviously ME2 will effect her, romance or not, and have impacts on future decisions. I dont think its just the issue of Romance but overall affect of a characters arc (even if people didnt romance her, they did make her kill or not kill the guy, have a quickie or make other choices). If these have no impact, isnt that as bad (perhaps worse) then them having an impact at all.



Plus noone said she had to clean up well (still, Jack in a floral print dress? Id kill to see that, if only to see what shed do the tailor or Shepard for the horrid imposition).

[Undertone]

Gethforceone wrote...

How does the lack of hair make someone a brick? All I get from this is you just don't like her without hair.

You must be pretty dense then. I am sorry but my points are very clear. I never said the lack of hair makes someone a brick.


Whether you romanced Jack or not is irrelevant. Finding a good friend is just as equally important. The optional part is naturally optional - if Jack is dead due to SM then obviously she's...dead (what a surprise), if she is unloyal I don't see any need for change.

But if she is loyal/romanced then she has in the face of Shepard a love interest/good friend (the only real friend she ever had). Each of those is significantly important for her to go through some emotional and thought changes.

Never have I stated I want Jack with long blond hair, pink dress and no tattoos + manners. All I am saying is slight (and optional so those of you who are so adamant about no change can be still be happy) changes according to what Jack concept art originally was. (Those are each just as valid ways of how Jack could have looked in the final game) In one of them there's Jack with black hair until the shoulders, in another with mohawk. Such style change (growth) should be done with the appropriate reasoning behind and Jack has the biggest ground to mature as a character in ME3 then anyone else.

There is nothing worse then a static, unchangeable character.

For those of you who just say "No" without providing any logic for why you think so - the only thing I can gather is you are superficial and the only reason you like her is because of her looks.

[royceclemens]

It's gotten to the point where the hair isn't really the issue anymore. Whether she gets hair or not is up to BioWare at this point. We have to think about why she has the haircut; namely that she likes it. If she found another haircut she likes more, that's not in our power, and we can yay-or-nay it when she shows up in ME3.



The fact of the matter is that Jack is bald because Jack wants to be bald. Not because they have shaved scalps in the Traumatic Backstory Starter Kit, ready to be grown back out again when she meets That Certain Special Someone. What you're proposing, Undertone, is that she change specifically for you because you romanced her. And that derails the character. If she gets hair, she gets hair. She shouldn't have the option to get hair just because you or me or anyone else got their cuddle on with her. Hair for all or hair for none.



I understand that you want a visible confirmation that you made a positive impact on someone's life. It's admirable, man, I like it. But what you're contributing to the discussion is that she do something she wouldn't do under any circumstance: Alter herself for some dude. Even though we assembled here may or may not be that "some dude." If that happens, then all those who think that "Jack needs the magical penis to fix her" have won, and they were right all along.



And if you really want a confirmation of your impact on her? She'll continue to be reasonably civil towards you. Never forget that this is Jack we're talking about, and we take what we can get.