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[Geth Knight]

Valdrane78 wrote...

I would have liked her more if her alternate attire came with hair, th ebald look doesn't do it for me. Also, I liked her better as the **** from hell than the whinny little girl!

Just how could she have grown hair that fast?

[Occams Razor 17]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Oh, man.

As bad as the whole "rejecting Jack in the final scene" line was to listen to... I found one worse:  a dying, romanced Jack during the suicide mission.

"Too many of 'em. I knew I'd get hit on this job. I was too happy. Too happy with you..."

The pain I'm going through to make these sound compilations, people... 

Oh wow, that is a line at least as depressing.  
That's cool that you're compiling all of this; I know I would have never known that line existed if you weren't.

[Booglarize]

Wow, that line really is a downer. Dammit, I'm depressed now.

[Valdrane78]

Geth Knight wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

I would have liked her more if her alternate attire came with hair, th ebald look doesn't do it for me. Also, I liked her better as the **** from hell than the whinny little girl!

Just how could she have grown hair that fast?

Wig?

[Jackal904]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Oh, man.

As bad as the whole "rejecting Jack in the final scene" line was to listen to... I found one worse:  a dying, romanced Jack during the suicide mission.

"Too many of 'em. I knew I'd get hit on this job. I was too happy. Too happy with you..."

The pain I'm going through to make these sound compilations, people... 

Are you serious? Wow... Great!  God damnit Jack, stop making me feel like ****! When does she say this line in the final mission? If it's when she gets taken away by the seeker swarms then I refuse to watch it. Getting taken away by the seeker swarms is the worst way to go because you never know what happens to them. And I hate even the thought of seeing anyone get taken away by them, especially Jack.

Modifié par Jackal904, 14 mars 2010 - 06:32 .

[Occams Razor 17]

Jackal904 wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...
Oh, man.
As bad as the whole "rejecting Jack in the final scene" line was to listen to... I found one worse:  a dying, romanced Jack during the suicide mission.
"Too many of 'em. I knew I'd get hit on this job. I was too happy. Too happy with you..."
The pain I'm going through to make these sound compilations, people... 

Are you serious? Wow... Great!  God damnit Jack, stop making me feel like ****! When does she say this line in the final mission? If it's when she gets taken away by the seeker swarms then I refuse to watch it. Getting taken away by the seeker swarms is the worst way to go because you never know what happens to them. And I hate even the thought of seeing anyone get taken away by them, especially Jack.

I would assume that Jack says this if you chose her to lead the second squad.  From a death compilation I saw, that quote fits in with what the second squad leader says after getting shot in the gut if they weren't loyal or weren't a qualified leader.

[Jackal904]

Occams Razor 17 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...
Oh, man.
As bad as the whole "rejecting Jack in the final scene" line was to listen to... I found one worse:  a dying, romanced Jack during the suicide mission.
"Too many of 'em. I knew I'd get hit on this job. I was too happy. Too happy with you..."
The pain I'm going through to make these sound compilations, people... 

Are you serious? Wow... Great!  God damnit Jack, stop making me feel like ****! When does she say this line in the final mission? If it's when she gets taken away by the seeker swarms then I refuse to watch it. Getting taken away by the seeker swarms is the worst way to go because you never know what happens to them. And I hate even the thought of seeing anyone get taken away by them, especially Jack.

I would assume that Jack says this if you chose her to lead the second squad.  From a death compilation I saw, that quote fits in with what the second squad leader says after getting shot in the gut if they weren't loyal or weren't a qualified leader.

Well I don't think you can romance someone that isn't loyal to you. So I guess, if you are correct, then she always dies if she's the fire team leader.

[BobbyTheI]

I have to admit, I got a little misty-eyed hearing it.  As always, Courtenay can wring emotion out of me like no other.  And like I said, it's even worse than her being treated like dirt by a douchebag, because she actually got a good Shepard, and the universe hated her happiness so much that they made sure it got destroyed.  And the funny thing is, when you think about it, why did she die?  Because Shepard let his feelings for her blind him to the fact that she isn't that good a leader, and put her in charge.  How utterly depressing is that?

Dammit, I don't normally get worked up about this sort of thing, but after getting mired in all this depression... they'd sure as hell BETTER bring Jack back for ME3, or heads will roll!  Christina Norman, you'd better get those writers in line!  

[Booglarize]

Jackal904 wrote...

Well I don't think you can romance someone that isn't loyal to you. So I guess, if you are correct, then she always dies if she's the fire team leader.

Yeah, no offense to Jack but I think it's obvious she'd make a terrible leader. Besides she's already qualified for the biotic barrier thing, and I don't think there's any squadmate that can actually be an optimal specialist for two different things. 

Modifié par Booglarize, 14 mars 2010 - 07:24 .

[Occams Razor 17]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Geth Knight wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...
I would have liked her more if her alternate attire came with hair, th ebald look doesn't do it for me. Also, I liked her better as the **** from hell than the whinny little girl!

Just how could she have grown hair that fast?

Wig?

Haha, but another squademate already called dibs on wig-wearing .  Jack considering wearing a wig is a pretty amusing visual though!

Jackal904 wrote...
Well I don't think you can romance someone that isn't loyal to you. So I guess, if you are correct, then she always dies if she's the fire team leader.

Yeah, I don't think you can either, I was just saying.  And yeah, i'm pretty sure she always dies if she's the fire team leader.  I mean, as much as I like Jack, the thought of her doing well in a leadership position....not very likely to happen.

Modifié par Occams Razor 17, 14 mars 2010 - 08:04 .

[Jackal904]

Booglarize wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Well I don't think you can romance someone that isn't loyal to you. So I guess, if you are correct, then she always dies if she's the fire team leader.

Yeah, no offense to Jack but I think it's obvious she'd make a terrible leader.

Haha ya I wonder what Miranda says if you pick Jack as the fire team leader.

Miranda: "Great, we're ****ed."

[Booglarize]

Jackal904 wrote...

Haha ya I wonder what Miranda says if you pick Jack as the fire team leader.

Miranda: "Great, we're ****ed."

Hah, so true. And that just gave me a mental flashback to that scene from Armed and Dangerous where King Forge insists on Prince Stig leading the army for that one mission.

(which isn't to say that Jack is a retard, mind you - merely a commentary on how picking someone who isn't leadership material for such a task can have unpleasant consequences)

[Noilly Prat]

I'm not necessarily proposing this as a special mission for Jack in ME3 or anything, but I wouldn't mind letting her and Shepard get up to some shenanigans-- not quite going pirate, exactly, but maybe doing a bit of semi-illicit work for profit.  Obviously this would be more for the Renegades, and it would have to fit as a credible side mission in the context of the overall story, but it's not as if Shepard has never had chances to help smugglers before, or to accept a bit of hush money.  For Shepards inclined to that sort of thing, they could present an interesting opportunity for some unique interactions and discussions with Jack.

Maybe BioWare could even build more off of the choice you help her make at the end of her loyalty mission, and let us continue to either encourage Jack's more criminal, unforgiving, self-serving hardass tendencies, or soften her up a bit more (sway her more toward Renegade/Paragon, basically).  I would definitely not like to see Jack as a goody-two-shoes type, but letting her development take a couple of slightly different paths depending on player actions might be interesting, as others have mentioned.  (And not just romance or no romance, ideally.)

I have no idea how likely this is.  The fact that she's one of ten ME2 squadmembers (not counting DLC)-- any of whom can die-- makes it seem like a lot of work to do for one character.  However, she is also a love interest, and I'm hoping BioWare has some cool stuff up their sleeves for the romance continuations and conclusions.  Plus, if any of the characters are crying out for this sort of treatment, I feel like she is.

[Durka531]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but doesn't Jack in the "for the lost" trailers kinda look like the actress Lexa Doig from about 5-8 years ago or is it just me?

[Pauravi]

Hey guys

I'm primarily a contributor to the Tali thread, but I wanted to come in and show my support for Jack, too. Her romance plot was truly excellent, and I have a real soft spot for her. I am personally of the opinion that all the LI's will come back as crew in ME3, at least potentially, and especially if you are romancing them.

I think Bioware will be able to continue all the romance plots, mainly because ME3 will probably be mostly plot-driven rather than character-driven, so the romances won't necessarily entail big missions of their own; probably just some extra dialogue and a few cutscenes. Not to imply that it will be minor, just that I don't think continuing the romances will require a ton in the way of resources.

That's what I'm hoping for, in any case. I like all the romances, honestly, but Jack's is especially emotionally charged, and I would really like to see what happens between her and Shep in ME3, and to what degree her personality develops.

Anyway, take care

[aderleth23]

One of the more interesting and fully realized characters I've ever seen in a video game. Also I've got a thing for girls with tattoos and shaved heads.

[Epantiras]

Geth Knight wrote...

What if the mission was about clearing Jacks name? Like she is being accused of a crime she didn't do?

Jack: I did *NOT* blow up that ship! I mean I was planning on it, but ****** I would get any valuables first!

This! Or maybe the hanars send a drell assassin (it doesn't have to be Thane related) to kill her because "they really liked that moon".

Modifié par Epantiras, 14 mars 2010 - 10:14 .

[Mondo47]

Jackal904 wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Well I don't think you can romance someone that isn't loyal to you. So I guess, if you are correct, then she always dies if she's the fire team leader.

Yeah, no offense to Jack but I think it's obvious she'd make a terrible leader.

Haha ya I wonder what Miranda says if you pick Jack as the fire team leader.

Miranda: "Great, we're ****ed."

From what I read, Miri is almost indestructable... she even shrugs off Seeker-Swarms. Only taking the big fall seems to work, if killing squaddies is your bag.

BobbyTheI wrote...

I have to admit, I got a little
misty-eyed hearing it.  As always, Courtenay can wring emotion out of me
like no other.  And like I said, it's even worse than her being treated
like dirt by a douchebag, because she actually got a good Shepard, and
the universe hated her happiness so much that they made sure it got
destroyed.  And the funny thing is, when you think about it, why did she
die?  Because Shepard let his feelings for her blind him to the fact
that she isn't that good a leader, and put her in charge.  How utterly
depressing is that?

Dammit, I don't normally get worked up about
this sort of thing, but after getting mired in all this depression...
they'd sure as hell BETTER bring Jack back for ME3, or heads will
roll!  Christina Norman, you'd better get those writers in line! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie] 

Motion seconded, dearie. Bring our girl back, Bioware

Say, does a romanced Tali have any death-scene flavour-dialogue? After my attempts to make people cry in another thread, I'm pretty curious.

I think Legion has one of the best kippering-it-at-the-second-door dialogues... oddly tragic and sad, considering it's essentially a toaster with a rifle.

"No carrier. No carrier. No carrier. No -"

[royceclemens]

BobbyTheI wrote...

I have to admit, I got a little misty-eyed hearing it.  As always, Courtenay can wring emotion out of me like no other.  And like I said, it's even worse than her being treated like dirt by a douchebag, because she actually got a good Shepard, and the universe hated her happiness so much that they made sure it got destroyed.  And the funny thing is, when you think about it, why did she die?  Because Shepard let his feelings for her blind him to the fact that she isn't that good a leader, and put her in charge.  How utterly depressing is that?

Dammit, I don't normally get worked up about this sort of thing, but after getting mired in all this depression... they'd sure as hell BETTER bring Jack back for ME3, or heads will roll!  Christina Norman, you'd better get those writers in line!  

Well, to be fair, how they set it up is that they make it look like the squadmate volunteers to lead the second fireteam.  The squaddie brings it up as Shepard doesn't say a thing.  Mayhap to absolve guilt.

But I am supremely confident she's-a-comin' back.  Going at it from a numbers standpoint from the data we've compiled, let's look at the probability of those ahead of us in the thread count....

-Liara, Ashley and Kaidan are formalities at this point, as they were kept out of the second game just to be in the third.

-Miranda is also a formality, primarily as the developers threw her at us and she's harder to kill than Rasputin.  In fact, if you get her carried off by the seekers, she beats a certain Savior of Mankind's record for coming back from the dead by THREE WHOLE DAYS!

-No Tali and Garrus equal torches and pitchforks.  They know what side their bread is buttered on.  Hell, they knew going into ME2.

To quoth from the Book of Grunt, "If you kill the most powerful creatures in the universe, all that's left is... us."  We'll be hitting triple digits in a few days, so they're gonna want to factor us in.  Plus the developers like her, the press likes her, and she's the only one with a binary romance path to exert influence.  They're not going to leave us hanging.

But if they're going to cave in to the troglodytes elsewhere on this forum and not bring her back, then please, for the love of God, GIVE US A SEND-OFF DLC!  That I could see myself living with.  It's better than nothing.

[iNixiRir]

Mondo47 wrote...
Motion seconded, dearie. Bring our girl back, Bioware

Say, does a romanced Tali have any death-scene flavour-dialogue? After my attempts to make people cry in another thread, I'm pretty curious.

I'm about to check it out .

Edit: No, she doesn't seem to have any.

Modifié par iNixiRir, 14 mars 2010 - 12:47 .

[Mondo47]

royceclemens wrote...

-Miranda is also a formality, primarily as the developers threw her at us and she's harder to kill than Rasputin.  In fact, if you get her carried off by the seekers, she beats a certain Savior of Mankind's record for coming back from the dead by THREE WHOLE DAYS!

Ha! Gotta love Rasputin. Any man that can sit up while his body is being burned several months after his death is worthy of respect. And a Boney M song


As for Miranda's Uber-Mary-Sue status...

Shepard is attempting to rally the troops for the final push against the Collectors.

Shep: We've lost good people, and no-one is going home without -

A knocking comes from the large door.

Miranda (muffled) Hello? Shepard, can you open the door please?

Shep: Mi... Miranda?

Garrus: Uh... isn't she bug food?

Miranda: Shepard, open the door... it's not dangerous.

Samara: This is likely some Collector ploy. Do not open the door.

Shep: Miranda, I saw the Seeker-Swarm carry you off... what happened?

Miranda: Oh... they just put me down after a while.

Jack: Yeah... got tired of you ****ing about how it's hard being friggin' perfect...

Shep: What?

Miranda: Yes, just put me down a little ways from the door here. Little scamps. Oh, two sugars... thank you.

Shep: Miranda, who's out there with you?

Miranda: Oh, the Collectors thought I could use some tea and biscuits while I was waiting... they're actually rather pleasant when you get to know them...

Shep: You expect me to believe this isn't some kind of trick to get me to open the door and let the bugs come swarming in?

Miranda: Um... yes? Oh, no cake, I couldn't possibly impose...

Shep: (thoughtful) Exactly what kind of biscuits do they have?



Actually... on a whim, I just ran Miranda through The Mary-Sue Test... she scored 104 - and over 71 is Irredeemable Sue! Just to be fair, I ran Jack through too - 61... she's an Uber-Sue

Modifié par Mondo47, 14 mars 2010 - 01:15 .

[Paddy McG]

Hi everyone - I'm new to these forums.

Jack is great. I have a total girl-crush on her, even though I'd probably be terrified if I met her in real life.

Is Miranda really that hard to kill? I got her killed in two play-throughs, simply by taking Jack's side in their fight. I spent the rest of each game rescuing stray kittens in the hope of raising my Paragon high enough to get Miranda back onside, but failed. First time, she got killed as part of the group that stays behind to hold the door; second time she got killed when the platforms fall to pieces after you kill the wickle baby Reaper

By the way, anyone know how high your Paragon has to be to get her bloody loyalty back? I almost had a full tank by the time the crew got abducted and she still hissy-fitted at me.

Modifié par Paddy McG, 14 mars 2010 - 01:37 .

[Paddy McG]

Mondo47 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

-Miranda is also a formality, primarily as the developers threw her at us and she's harder to kill than Rasputin.  In fact, if you get her carried off by the seekers, she beats a certain Savior of Mankind's record for coming back from the dead by THREE WHOLE DAYS!

Ha! Gotta love Rasputin. Any man that can sit up while his body is being burned several months after his death is worthy of respect. And a Boney M song


As for Miranda's Uber-Mary-Sue status...

Shepard is attempting to rally the troops for the final push against the Collectors.

Shep: We've lost good people, and no-one is going home without -

A knocking comes from the large door.

Miranda (muffled) Hello? Shepard, can you open the door please?

Shep: Mi... Miranda?

Garrus: Uh... isn't she bug food?

Miranda: Shepard, open the door... it's not dangerous.

Samara: This is likely some Collector ploy. Do not open the door.

Shep: Miranda, I saw the Seeker-Swarm carry you off... what happened?

Miranda: Oh... they just put me down after a while.

Jack: Yeah... got tired of you ****ing about how it's hard being friggin' perfect...

Shep: What?

Miranda: Yes, just put me down a little ways from the door here. Little scamps. Oh, two sugars... thank you.

Shep: Miranda, who's out there with you?

Miranda: Oh, the Collectors thought I could use some tea and biscuits while I was waiting... they're actually rather pleasant when you get to know them...

Shep: You expect me to believe this isn't some kind of trick to get me to open the door and let the bugs come swarming in?

Miranda: Um... yes? Oh, no cake, I couldn't possibly impose...

Shep: (thoughtful) Exactly what kind of biscuits do they have?

Hahahaha.  See - those Collectors are cuddly little critters once you get to know them.  Stop being so entomophobic, everyone!

[Mondo47]

I just ran Tali through the Mary-Sue-nator 2000 - she came out with a 47... a plain ol' Mary-Sue, and thus the most grounded of the love interests. I'll have to throw Ash and Liara through it now...

Oh, say Bobby, let me in on how you do the whole custom icon gig, I've got a brilliant one in the works

Modifié par Mondo47, 14 mars 2010 - 02:26 .

[royceclemens]

Paddy McG wrote...

Hi everyone - I'm new to these forums.

Jack is great. I have a total girl-crush on her, even though I'd probably be terrified if I met her in real life.

Is Miranda really that hard to kill? I got her killed in two play-throughs, simply by taking Jack's side in their fight. I spent the rest of each game rescuing stray kittens in the hope of raising my Paragon high enough to get Miranda back onside, but failed. First time, she got killed as part of the group that stays behind to hold the door; second time she got killed when the platforms fall to pieces after you kill the wickle baby Reaper

By the way, anyone know how high your Paragon has to be to get her bloody loyalty back? I almost had a full tank by the time the crew got abducted and she still hissy-fitted at me.

Welcome!

Well, the best way to defuse this whole thing is to take the Paragon option in the Jack/Miranda blow-out.  If that ain't your bag, there is the Paragon option later, although it helps if you imported an ME1 character, as it gives your Paragon/Renegade stats a boost at the beginning of the game.

The Paragon/Renegade charts can be a little misleading, as the game keeps track not of how full they are, but the percentage of Paragon/Renegade options taken.  It's possible to be somewhat of a tool while still having a full Paragon meter.  But not if you want to maintain loyalty of both Miranda and Jack, as well as Tali and Legion.

Now actually wanting to keep her loyalty after Miranda endangered the mission by calling the most unstable member of the crew "a mistake?"  Well, I got nothing for you there.