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[Batlass8]

Epantiras wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...
Giving Jack hair would be like painting a grin on the Mona Lisa...because it's too hard to tell what she's feeling as it is and WE MUST KNOW.

Like this?
(no, I'm not going to give you a Wikipedia link to Mr. Bean)

Even though this is exactly what I meant, I don't know how I feel about actually seeing it...  On the other hand, it totally proves my point (I think).

[Errationatus]

Technically, if one pays attention, Jack actually does have hair.

Bald is a complete lack of hair.  Jack is not bald.  Jack has hair. 

She simply has low-maintenance hair.

Say it with me:

Jack has hair.  Jack is not bald.

Jack has hair.  Jack is not bald.

Jack has hair.  Jack is not bald.

See how easy?

Now shut the fvck up about her hair.

Try and talk about some far more important aspect of her character - like say, her lack of ginormous ****** and DAT AZZ.

Far more important.

/sarcasm.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 21 janvier 2011 - 06:42 .

[CroGamer002]

I really wish that OP is in this thread.

Imagine PS3 user becomes fan of Jack come here and see how OP is just 3 sentences while other support threads are wall of text, pictures, fan vids and fan arts.

Sure, thread has almost 700 pages but still...

[AntiChri5]

Mesina2 wrote...

I really wish that OP is in this thread.
Imagine PS3 user becomes fan of Jack come here and see how OP is just 3 sentences while other support threads are wall of text, pictures, fan vids and fan arts.
Sure, thread has almost 700 pages but still...

I like this threads OP.

Every other one has a ****ing ton of information.

It has every screenshot ever taken, every fanfic ever written and every fanart ever doodled. Not to mention the billions of banners.

Each time i click on one of those threads i shake my head and walk right out.

[FenrisDeSolar]

AntiChri5 wrote...


I like this threads OP.

Every other one has a ****ing ton of information.

It has every screenshot ever taken, every fanfic ever written and every fanart ever doodled. Not to mention the billions of banners.

Each time i click on one of those threads i shake my head and walk right out.

Inclined to agree. Too much information in the OP is becoming a plague.

It's unlikely anyone but the die-hard fans will sift through all of those pictures, and read all of those fanfics, or even use half of those banners. Putting them up there is unnecessary. There are groups for almost all characters in the game, if not indeed all, and that's where all the excesses of information should really be.

So, there is no need to change the OP, really. If anyone wants to find stuff about Jack, they can bloody google it. Or join a group on here, or ask someone of similar interests. But the infobombs for OP's that you find in other threads are just annoying.

[SlottsMachine]

 Recently, I was doing the suicide mission and chose a romanced Jack for squad leader to experience Bobby's audio file in game, and yeah I regret it. Jack's line about dying when she's finally happy, actually didn't resonate with me that much, it happens so quick. Jack's dialogue in game while in the squad leader role, is what's painful to hear, as basically your listening to her die. The coffin scene at the end of the game never really effected me on any meaningful level emotionally until this, when it's Jack and Shep loves her. I realized that Jack is now my Murtock, and found myself thinking about Jack's line, "death is a ****ing on/off switch," and how the pain of Murtock's death burrowing under the skin. In my mind Jack got a proper funeral, since Garrus realizing what she meant to me carried her back to the ship(since its the kind of guy he is), she may not have cared but I did. 

It got me thinking about the suicide mission as a whole, with a the negativity surrounding it, in the sense that a large number of people don't like it because its too easy, the finally boss sucks etc. After Virmire most of us wanted the opportunity, to save everyone in any future situation, and they gave us want we wanted. Basically, what I wanted to say on this is that if you want the suicide mission to be an emotional engaging experience the onus is on the player. From a role playing perspective it does seem pretty far fetched that Shep would allow his feelings of Jack to cloud is judgment, since Jack is clearly not suited for the role, but not completely out of the realm of possibility.        

[Epantiras]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
It got me thinking about the suicide mission as a whole, with a the negativity surrounding it, in the sense that a large number of people don't like it because its too easy, the finally boss sucks etc. After Virmire most of us wanted the opportunity, to save everyone in any future situation, and they gave us want we wanted. Basically, what I wanted to say on this is that if you want the suicide mission to be an emotional engaging experience the onus is on the player. From a role playing perspective it does seem pretty far fetched that Shep would allow his feelings of Jack to cloud is judgment, since Jack is clearly not suited for the role, but not completely out of the realm of possibility.        

I think that if you REALLY want to enjoy the Suicide Mission, you should avoid reading walkthroughts about "how to save X and how to kill Y", because it takes the magic away. It's about facing the consequences of our choices and metagaming kills it.

FenrisDeSolar wrote...

Inclined to agree. Too much information in the OP is becoming a plague.

I totally agree. I've taken a look at the fanthreads of Isabela and Fenris on the DA2 forum and
1. it took (DRAGON) AGES to load all the pics
2. the OPs are a real mess if you want to look for specific info

[zewuok]

I was devastated when Mordin and Thane died during my first playthrough, so I decided that it will not happen again I never used any walkthroughs or tactical advices and I managed to save everyone in the end.

After second playthrough I've checked the forums for stuff like that and there's a lot of posts describing every possible choice.

There's even a suicide mission calculator somewhere, if you really want to know every possible consequence of your choices. Maybe if you're playing ME2 for 20th time it's a good thing to know which squaddie is going to die and which one will survive, but otherwise- kills the thrill of the mission.

[SlottsMachine]

Epantiras wrote...

I think that if you REALLY want to enjoy the Suicide Mission, you should avoid reading walkthroughts about "how to save X and how to kill Y", because it takes the magic away. It's about facing the consequences of our choices and metagaming kills it.

The problem with this is that the suicide mission is too easy, you really don't need walkthoughs, all the roles have at least one fairly obvious choice. Call it metagaming if you like, but from know on I think I'm always going to kill of someone, because you really need that sense of loss to give the mission meaning, imo. I can't be the only one that killed of Wrex in ME1 even when I had a high enough speech to calm him down, to me there is not much difference between situations, or is that not considered metagaming because the "shoot Wrex" option appears in the dialogue wheel. If that's the case than me need a more executions in ME3 meme.  

[PiEman]

Epantiras wrote...

I swear, if I see the "Jack should grow hair" topic again...
It's called "character design". Bioware won't make Jack's hair grow and won't fix Legion's hole.

...

Must...resist...urge...to engage in...internet debate...

[SlottsMachine]

I think it was Godwood who said originally, but at this point I want Jack to stay the same just to continue to ****** of all the haters.

[Loki330]

Just had a random thought-what if she devloped into a female Valen Shadowbreath; quite controlled, but with the inferno underneath, and still swearing all the time??

[FenrisDeSolar]

Am I the only one who considers Jack to already be quite controlled?

She only blows up one planet in the whole game. There is only one break out from a prison. She doesn't kill ANY hanar as far as we know, and she always does her make-up in the morning. I think we've got this wrong. Jack is a good girl.

She's so good in fact that she saved practically a whole litter of kittens and stashed them in engineering. From what I hear, she takes excellent care of those, too.



In all seriousness, though, I think Jack is controlled. As controlled as she needs to or has to be, no more, no less.

[Epantiras]

Jack is indeed more controlled than her first trailer made us believe. There is still an inferno underneath, think about rage and confusion during her loyalty mission - like when Shepard uses the renegade line to get her to kill Aresh: she says "will it make my head straight?" or something like that.

[axl99]

If there's one thing that bugging me right now, it's trying to figure out what music was playing during Jack's reveal trailer.

[Epantiras]

axl99 wrote...

If there's one thing that bugging me right now, it's trying to figure out what music was playing during Jack's reveal trailer.

Maybe it's a residue of their "dark and gritty Marylin Manson" Dragon Age marketing campaign :-P
/sarcasm

Just re-watched that vid today, I can't recognize the song either.

[Batlass8]

Too long without thread activity! *Tries to thing of relevant comment*



So...Jack, eh? Out of curiosity, do we actually know why she chose the name Jack?

[zewuok]

So...Jack, eh? Out of curiosity, do we actually know why she chose the name Jack?

Because she pops out of every prison like a jack-in-the-box toy.

[CroGamer002]

[quote]FenrisDeSolar wrote...

Inclined to agree. Too much information in the OP is becoming a plague.

[/quote]

I totally agree. I've taken a look at the fanthreads of Isabela and Fenris on the DA2 forum and
1. it took (DRAGON) AGES to load all the pics
2. the OPs are a real mess if you want to look for specific info

[/quote]

You don't have to put mess of information and pictures.
Just some vital info and few fanarts so that OP looks nice.


Not asking too much am I?

[CroGamer002]

zewuok wrote...

So...Jack, eh? Out of curiosity, do we actually know why she chose the name Jack?

Because she pops out of every prison like a jack-in-the-box toy.

Cause Illusive Man name is Jack and he gave that name to her out of the joke.

[volus4life]

can't wait till jack's last name is revealed to be 'Hoff'.

[SlottsMachine]

 When York mentioned Fear a while back, I had not played the game so out of curiousity I looked it up on wikipedia, and as I understand it, alma's father was part of the research program and was the reason for her escape. So, I have a theory I'd like to share, and I'm sure it will get a resounding nay but just hear me out of this. Now, if the Illusive man turns out to be Jack's father, I agree that from the standpoint of developing Jack's character it would be lame, but I believe it would really add to TIM's character, since up till know I had dubbed TIM as holding his followers to a different set of ideals that he himself follows. What I mean is that I never figured TIM would make the kind of sacrifices that he expects from his followers, sacrifices like subjecting your child to the horror that is teltin, for the "betterment of humanity" or something. Plus if he played a role in Jack's escape, I guess that means TIM's not as all powerful as where led to believe if he had to resort to subversion to get Jack out, maybe TIM's just a puppet for Cerberus investors. It seems weird to picture the kingpins of Cerberus sort of badgering TIM into this, and have him hate himself for it, but hey its for humanity and all that.          

[Epantiras]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

 When York mentioned Fear a while back, I had not played the game so out of curiousity I looked it up on wikipedia, and as I understand it, alma's father was part of the research program and was the reason for her escape. So, I have a theory I'd like to share, and I'm sure it will get a resounding nay but just hear me out of this. Now, if the Illusive man turns out to be Jack's father, I agree that from the standpoint of developing Jack's character it would be lame, but I believe it would really add to TIM's character, since up till know I had dubbed TIM as holding his followers to a different set of ideals that he himself follows. What I mean is that I never figured TIM would make the kind of sacrifices that he expects from his followers, sacrifices like subjecting your child to the horror that is teltin, for the "betterment of humanity" or something. Plus if he played a role in Jack's escape, I guess that means TIM's not as all powerful as where led to believe if he had to resort to subversion to get Jack out, maybe TIM's just a puppet for Cerberus investors. It seems weird to picture the kingpins of Cerberus sort of badgering TIM into this, and have him hate himself for it, but hey its for humanity and all that.          

I've got the same feeling about TIM  not doing the same kind of sacrifices he expects his followers do to. However, it would be weird to think of him as Suze's father (using "Suze" to avoid confusion). [LotsB spoiler] From the SB's dossier, it seemed that Suze's mother was unaware of Cerberus' plot and surrendered her daughter because she was told that she was dead.
[/LotsB spoiler]
If I remember correctly, in the last ME book it's said that Cerberus is NOT that all-powerful as we're lead to believe, therefore it's easier to think about TIM using subversions to get Jack out of prison and/or being forced to do compromises. Didn't Cerberus put a bounty on Suze's head? Like they were not able to hunt her down themselves. Or maybe it was just part of TEH PLAN, i.e. forcing her to constantly face foes and study the way she managed to kill them all and/or escape prisons. Yes, that's paranoid