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[Gethforceone]

axl99 wrote...
And the fic totally needs a chapter 2. Or 3.

This.

Not too bad.

[Loki330]

Thanks for the kind comments-I just hammered it out quickly after posting the original idea, which you can no doubt tell!

As for a chapter 2? Erm, don't hold your breath. I'd need to think of something first, though I do get a sneaky feeling I'm already pulling the strands of thought together to make that 'something'. Or to put it the Sander Cohen way: "My muse is a fickle **** with a short attention span" but is apparently thinking of hanging around a bit.

[axl99]

Is Jack ticklish? I mean considering how little she wears I'm sure Shepard will find a structural weakness or two.

[Loki330]

I was thinking more kissing. A quick one on the back of the head while hugging, or no-one's looking. Especially when she's feeling crappy (she seems to wear her heart on her sleeve).

[Batlass8]

@Loki: Just read the quick-fic. I enjoyed it. Especially Jack's reaction when the doors opened. Seemed pretty in-character to me. And, though I forget who it was that said it, a hug is the perfect emotional expression for Jack/Shep. All about trust, no demands.

[FenrisDeSolar]

axl99 wrote...

Is Jack ticklish? I mean considering how little she wears I'm sure Shepard will find a structural weakness or two.

I'd like to think she is. I wrote a small thing about her being ticklish, and Shepard finding this very fascinating...

[Batlass8]

http://browse.devian...et=168#/d2tllbl



Numbers 11 and 12.

[MHRazer]

Sundown Native wrote...

 I...I feel like a ******. I just realized that I never uploaded that last chapter. Ever. But I recall saying that I was finished, and that it was up.

Well, I can say that it is, now. Along with the new one. They're on both DeviantArt, and FanFiction.


Here's the link to the old one that I believed I put up.

You should be able to find the next one, easy; I have it on the description.


And to everyone that went the the fic when I said that something was up, only to find out that it wasn't...Super sorry.

I've already read that first chapter, so you must have put it up somewhere. And I can't wait to read the next one a bit later today when I have the free time 

[Aeowyn]

Hi,

I have a question for you Jack fans. I don't know if you've already discussed this, but considering how Jack was raised by Cerberus from infancy to her teens (I think), do you think she experienced a form of Stockholm - syndrome towards Cerberus afterwards or has she, in your opinion, always been against them? Why or why not? I was just wondering because I found it a bit strange that she didn't show any signs of that (from what we know at least) and while what they did on Teltin is much worse than e.g. being raised in an abusive home, a lot of children from abusive homes still say they love their parents, no matter how abusive they might have been.

Anyway, hopefully my questions aren't too annoying.

[AntiChri5]

Hi Aowyn, welcome to the thread.

Interesting line of thought, and one i have never paused to think about.

I think her comments and treatment of Miranda tell us exactly what she thinks of Cerberus, although she does seem to have formed that kind of attachment in the past (couple she first ran with, cult she joined) it didn't take her long to break free of it and see that they were only using her.

Jack is smarter and more perceptive than people give her credit for.

[Xilizhra]

A question for everyone here.



If I wrote a story which paired Jack and Femshep, would you be able to accept Jack's bisexuality as a matter of course? Or should I explain why it wasn't an option in the main game/go above and beyond the in-game relationship to explain things in the story?

[Ilzairspar]

Xilizhra wrote...

A question for everyone here.

If I wrote a story which paired Jack and Femshep, would you be able to accept Jack's bisexuality as a matter of course? Or should I explain why it wasn't an option in the main game/go above and beyond the in-game relationship to explain things in the story?

I personally would find a story explaining why it wasn't an option in the inital game storyline more intersting than one where it is assumed.  But then again, I find anything that explains things from the game, or goes into more detail about game storylines fascinating.

[Mondo47]

Just to give my two cents to the last two questions...

There is a real gulf between adult Jack and child Jack; heresay aside, Jack's memory of her early years in Teltin is a patchwork of snatches of accurate memory and instances of her ideas and imaginings filling the gaps (the bias in Jack's recollections of Teltin make this fairly plain). It's not something we can realistically handwave either given the level of trauma endured - that in itself is probably responsible for some of the blanks as PTSD can effectively "overwrite" a real event with an imagined version. The question though, as to whether Jack ever felt any level of empathy towards the brainbutchers on Pragia is tough... doubletough. Maybe perhaps when she was very young, it's not inconceivable, but as time goes on, pain layers on pain... if there was any sense of trust or empathy, it's likely overwritten with the many years of agony, scar tissue and nightmares. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it might be impossible for Jack to look back and remember it. Just to nod to my own thoughts, I think that in the post-Teltin years, it's very easy to see Jack trying to dress up her abuse at the hands of others (the cult, the freighter crew and everyone else inbetween) in her attempts to find a place to belong. Granted, physical pain got replaced with emotional pain, but the level of trauma there is potentially less likely to cause longstanding psychological damage in comparison - physical torture does tend to trump psychological abuse and exploitation in studies at least... not saying one hurts any less than the other, but one is certainly less likely to cause lifelong damaging psychosis.



As for bi-Jack... I'd accept it because we know Jack has no issues with gender based on past experience. The potential difference in relationship structure would be interesting (I personally see Jack wanting very different things from lovers of the opposite and same sex), but like Ilzairspar says, explaining why Jack in-game is only romancable by Male-Sheps over Femmes in a way that goes beyond "BioWare kinda pussied out" would make a story a lot more involving and interesting.

[Xilizhra]

What different things would you see Jack wanting from differently sexed lovers?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 29 janvier 2011 - 10:30 .

[Epantiras]

Aeowyn wrote...

Hi,
I have a question for you Jack fans. I don't know if you've already discussed this, but considering how Jack was raised by Cerberus from infancy to her teens (I think), do you think she experienced a form of Stockholm - syndrome towards Cerberus afterwards or has she, in your opinion, always been against them? Why or why not? I was just wondering because I found it a bit strange that she didn't show any signs of that (from what we know at least) and while what they did on Teltin is much worse than e.g. being raised in an abusive home, a lot of children from abusive homes still say they love their parents, no matter how abusive they might have been.
Anyway, hopefully my questions aren't too annoying.

As far as I remember, causing pain and psychological damages was part of the Teltin project ("easily manipulated through emotional impairment created by severe abuse and confinement during childhood"). If child Jack has tried to feel some empathy for the Cerberus scientists, they surely did not try to encourage it.

[Mondo47]

Xilizhra wrote...

What different things would you see Jack wanting from differently sexed lovers?

At it's most basic, Jack would be looking for a person who would not only love her, accept her, and perhaps educate her emotionally, but also someone to defend her. Everything in her life has been a struggle, so she would want a "place to stop" to paraphrase Dr Chakwas. This could manifest as Jack having quite parental expectations of her partners, making aspects of them into father and mother figures... so as traditionalist as it sounds, based on her search for acceptance and a place to fit (cult, outlaw colony, etc.) I see Jack being more daring, more sexually assertive, more abbraisive (for reaction's sake) and more obvious in seeking approval with a male lover, and more open, more submissive, more emotionally exposed with another woman; allowing herself to be exposed for the sake of the sense of comfort and encouragement it would garner. I'm not saying she'd turn into a nice girl and grow her hair out and start wearing dresses, but I think she would take more of her partner's emotions to heart and reflect them herself, be more feminine, while in a lesbian relationship, while the more tomboyish, masculine elements would be more overt in a hetero relationship. It would probably be subtle at first, and remain on the whole behind closed doors; Jack is hardly one to lay her heart bare to everyone on the ship, but I think it would be more reflective of the same-sex than the opposite - like Jack holding up a mirror to her lover and reflecting some of their own gender back at them.

Then again, this is the 22nd century we're talking about... sexual politics and gender identities could be totally restructured by then thanks to factors in society (alien contact being one that would cause seachanges in almost every aspect of human society if you think about it... just think of how the asari erase traditionally gendered family units - sure, there is a "mother" and "father" but does it make a great deal of difference in a monogendered society... and on top of that, what happens when an asari bonds into another species - how does a monogendered culture deal with more than one gender... and this is just sex politics, think what any alien society does to culture, religion, identity, etc). It's entirely possible that gender roles are no longer set in a manner we can relate to from our rigid 21st century mindsets (think of the way the fanbase reacted to Miranda cruising a dating site for a healthy sex partner - that might be sooooo normal and vanilla in the future it bores others to tears). I mean, we think we're open and accepting, but can we really put ourselves in the heads of people only a few decades into the future - think about how different we are in 2011 in comparison to 1890 in terms of gender... only twelve decades, really, yet entirely different.

Ohboy that got deep... I'm going to take my pills and go to sleep now

[Xilizhra]

Hm. Regardless of your second paragraph, which does make a lot of sense, your first paragraph seems quite interesting (and regardless of societal advancements, Jack's trauma makes it seem likely that she'd find comfort in familiar archetypes, even if they were outdated). I don't want to continue too far beyond the main game, because I don't want ME3 to prove me wrong on anything, but I can definitely place signs of this development into the story...

[PseudoEthnic]

Can someone link me to the Jack Fan Group on this site? The search filter on this site is awful.

[FenrisDeSolar]

There are many. This is one: Zero Tolerance.

[Cypher0020]

Ok I'm going to start Edmund's run just to be with Jack shortly, and I have a question...



How many of you can see Shep and Jack's relationship beyond ME3? Marriage?



The way I RP Ed, he'll be with her in ME2, but he's that adorkable, he'd want to actually marry Jack, and propose..... knowing the hazard to his health and all...



Would any Shep want to do that?