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[Asch Lavigne]

Sundown Native wrote...

 ....What if Jack got indoctrinated, in Mass Effect 3?

I think if they were going to indoctrinate someone it would be someone more important, like the Council for example. Although if they did that then I couldn't stuff it to that damn Turian Coucilor. I am dying to see the council come groveling for an apology in ME3. Grovel I say! Then I will chose the renegade option and tell them to go to hell. And while we're at it, I'd like to tell Udina where to stick it as well.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 02 février 2011 - 10:17 .

[Rogue Unit]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Sundown Native wrote...

 ....What if Jack got indoctrinated, in Mass Effect 3?

I think if they were going to indoctrinate someone it would be someone more important, like the Council for example. Although if they did that then I couldn't stuff it to that damn Turian Coucilor. I am dying to see the council come groveling for an apology in ME3. Grovel I say! Then I will chose the renegade option and tell them to go to hell.

Oddly enough, the look on the council's face when they see the reaper fleet would sell the game alone for me.

I hope Shep gets the option to says: "Ah, yes. Reapers."

[Mondo47]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

If Jack ceased to be Jack... there's only one thing she'd want you to do.
BLAM.

But...but...

As tragic as it would be, it's what she'd want. Indoctrination leaves nothing of the person that was once there. It's be like not destroying a zombified friend or relative - pointless and simply continuing their denegration. Jack would slap you and tell you to man up and do it

That would be a tragedy to deal with, sure, but I can think of worse... Shepard having to quietly, broken-heartedly euthenize her because her neural implants had caused severe and irrepairable brain damage. It's what she'd want, because all that made Jack Jack would be gone as well, but doing it would be the most tragic thing the game could throw at you... at least with indoctrination you can bouy your morale with her being a casualty of war the way soldiers have to try to when a buddy buys the farm in the field. With the other, she'd just be a terrible, personal loss.

And if BioWare did that to us... I'd hate them forever for it

[Asch Lavigne]

Sundown Native wrote...

But, sticking to the topic, If Jack got indoctrinated, and Shepard was romantically involved, he'd FIND a cure. Or at least try to. Hell, the whole galaxy will owe him a favor, once this is all said and done, so I refuse to believe he'll just shoot her.

I know in the video game world time works differently but you are assuming that Shep would have to time to go run and look for a cure and not have to deal with the indoctrinated squadmate then and there. Plus,there would be no information to go on. How would anyone just be happening to be developing a cure when the whole galaxy knows nothing of Reapers or indocrination? Finding a cure would take forever. Saren was studying it and even he couldn't crack it.

Although I can see it it being an option to go find a cure. Because there are some players who would not want to do that, put aside saving the galaxy to go save a squadmate, especially if it was one they didn't care for. I would only do it depending on who it was.

By the way, are you asking merely out of curiosity or propsing a theory that if Shep had a love interest that the Reapers would indocrinate that person simply to keep Shepard occupied, distracted, and out of their hair?

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 02 février 2011 - 10:45 .

[Epantiras]

I'm ready to do a "Save Jack" collaboration pic, if needed :-P

[royceclemens]

Mondo47 wrote...
With the other, she'd just be a terrible, personal loss.  And if BioWare did that to us... I'd hate them forever for it

I'm having an extraordinarily hard time seeing them doing in Jack on the strength of a codex entry.  To do so would be a shade shy of coming out of nowhere to artficially create drama.  I'm going back in my mind to see if BioWare made such a poor decision regarding the fate of one of their characters and I must say, I'm coming up blank.

This is actually divorced from my affection from the character.  Even if this were a character I hated, neural degradation would be a stupid way to do a character in.

[Hyper Cutter]

Epantiras wrote...
Since there is no known cure for indoctrination

Actually, there is. Shiala was indoctrinated and contact with the thorian cured her somehow. It's worth noting that Exogeni collected the corpse of the thing, so this might be relevant.

[SlottsMachine]

 What if Jack was only partially indoctrinated, so there's till plenty of Jack in there fighting, but sometimes she goes off and butchers some colonists. As an ashley fan and after the Horizon Ash/kaidan plot-hole or not(why did the collectors leave them) thing, my greatest fear is that the VS will be Saren style villain in Me3, and if they were romanced you'll have more sway in trying to help them.        

[adriano_c]

Miranda's a better candidate for "indoctrination", actually. Plus, I'm sure it'd inspire some funny quotables from Jack.

[Badpie]

I'm hoping that Bioware will never be as cruel as to indoctrinate our trusted squaddies or love interests. As for Jack, I know she'd want a bullet, but I think Shepard would go to that only as a last resort. He'd try to find a "cure" for it. He's only kill her if he thought she was suffering horribly and couldn't let her anymore.



...I just depressed myself.



BUT THAT WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE JACK IS AWESOME AND SHE'LL NEVER DIE!



...I just made myself feel marginally better.

[SlottsMachine]

adriano_c wrote...

Miranda's a better candidate for "indoctrination", actually. Plus, I'm sure it'd inspire some funny quotables from Jack.

Miranda makes a good candidate for ME3 judas, as well I think, especially if you've "betrayed" Cerberus. 

[adriano_c]

Yeah, she can go from willful pawn to unwitting one.

-edit. Speaking of which, Jacob's a good possibility also. Not necessarily for being indoctrinated or whatever, but a deliberate turn. He's had enough and he isn't going to take it anymore! Make him the anti-Shepard or some such. It'd certainly spice up his character.

Modifié par adriano_c, 03 février 2011 - 07:44 .

[Confused_Shepard]

 Let be begin by saying I LOVE JACK.I love both Jack & Tali but hate Miranda appropriately enough
The one thing I would have liked from this game is the ability to say scold/berate squadmates provided their is a justified reason. With Miranda I wanted it to happen after the argument with Jack

Shep (To Miranda): You do know why I took Jack's side don't you?

Miranda: For your sake I hope it was just lip service

Shep: No. It was because you represent the worst of humanity just like I represent the best. For her, you ARE         Cerberus, you are the right hand of the Illusive Man of course. Hence she holds you responsible for all that's happened to her. It's kind of true as well, you turn a blind eye to all the attrocities Cerberus has committed.

Miranda: What? That's nonsesne! And Cerberus does only what is good of humanity

Shep: If the good of humanity means weeping mothers whose sons died on Akuze and abused children then no thanks. Personally I expected better of you. Your're not perfect, in fact you are the most flawed person on this ship.

Miranda: Shepard if you keep this up you will lose my support as well as The Illusive Man's

Shep: So having your loyalty means kissing your ass? Never. I helped you save and reconcile with your sister because I know the importance of family, because I never experienced it myself.  But I won't kiss the ground where you walk

Miranda: I hate you! Get out!

Shep: Feeling's mutual

Slightly OOC for Miranda but honestly that's all I hear when she speaks. 

[adriano_c]

Ooookay.

-edit. Just came across a post which made me think (a rarity).

Basically, someone mentioned Miranda's overly-sexualized appearance and the large amount of criticism it receives from a number of fans for being demeaning to women and so forth. On the other hand, they said Jack doesn't get this (the same sort of criticism), despite walking around half-dressed (someone corrected him/her about that, and rightly so).

Now, personally, I've never really found Jack's wardrobe choice, or lack thereof, to be even slightly sexually evocative. It just doesn't line up with how I interpret the rest of the character, I suppose. She could lose the belt and be totally bare and I still wouldn't look at the character in that way.

So, thoughts? Is Jack's appearance (lack of shirt) comparable in any way to Miranda's? Or, more specifically, in terms of being an over-the-top attention-grabber with a sexual slant?

Modifié par adriano_c, 03 février 2011 - 10:58 .

[Epantiras]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

Miranda's a better candidate for "indoctrination", actually. Plus, I'm sure it'd inspire some funny quotables from Jack.

Miranda makes a good candidate for ME3 judas, as well I think, especially if you've "betrayed" Cerberus. 

Speaking of videogame Judas... Bioware stole my videogame innocence with Baldur's Gate 2. However, from what I have seen in Dragon Age and the Mass Effect series, companions death or betrayal depend more on the player's choice than it used to be in Baldur's Gate 2 - okay, the Virmire death is scripted, but you can still decide who you'll save.

If there has to be a Judas, that must be a BIG one, not a squadmate who could have died in ME2. Someone like... the VirSur or mr.

If the VirSur turns into a Saren-like nemesis figure I'll be happy.

Going back to the "what if Jack betrays us" topic... how about Shepards who keep the Collector Base? Do you think it will have repercussions on Jack's relationship with Shepard?

Mesina2 wrote...

^Which Jack?
Jack - Subject Zero or Jack - Illusive Man?

On a side note: I suggest we all refer to Subject Zero as Jack and to The Illusive Man as TIM *or* TIM Jack - to avoid confusion.


...


Who the hell had this bright idea of giving the same name to both of them!? It must have been a cruel, cruel joke ;-)
/joke

Modifié par Epantiras, 03 février 2011 - 10:47 .

[Gethforceone]

adriano_c wrote...

Ooookay.

-edit. Just came across a post which made me think (a rarity).

Basically, someone mentioned Miranda's overly-sexualized appearance and the large amount of criticism it receives from a number of fans for being demeaning to women and so forth. On the other hand, they said Jack doesn't get this (the same sort of criticism), despite walking around half-dressed (someone corrected him/her about that, and rightly so).

Now, personally, I've never really found Jack's wardrobe choice, or lack thereof, to be even slightly sexually evocative. It just doesn't line up with how I interpret the rest of the character, I suppose. She could lose the belt and be totally bare and I still wouldn't look at the character in that way.

So, thoughts? Is Jack's appearance (lack of shirt) comparable in any way to Miranda's? Or, more specifically, in terms of being an over-the-top attention-grabber with a sexual slant?

Where was this?

[Confused_Shepard]

adriano_c wrote...

Ooookay.

-edit. Just came across a post which made me think (a rarity).

Basically, someone mentioned Miranda's overly-sexualized appearance and the large amount of criticism it receives from a number of fans for being demeaning to women and so forth. On the other hand, they said Jack doesn't get this (the same sort of criticism), despite walking around half-dressed (someone corrected him/her about that, and rightly so).

Now, personally, I've never really found Jack's wardrobe choice, or lack thereof, to be even slightly sexually evocative. It just doesn't line up with how I interpret the rest of the character, I suppose. She could lose the belt and be totally bare and I still wouldn't look at the character in that way.

So, thoughts? Is Jack's appearance (lack of shirt) comparable in any way to Miranda's? Or, more specifically, in terms of being an over-the-top attention-grabber with a sexual slant?

As odd as it may sound it may be the fact hat her entire body is covered in tattoos and so from afar doesn't look like bare so much as it does a skin suit. Plus her chest and buttocks are downplayed whereas with Miranda she might as well bend down and talk while wiggling her butt

Jack is not sexual in any way. Hell I might think she might have wanted to turn herself as ugly as possible so that no one would proposition her for sex.

Also, was that "Ooookay!" directed at me? 
Jack: And I thought I was crazy

[Epantiras]

Confused_Shepard wrote...

adriano_c wrote...
[...]

So, thoughts? Is Jack's appearance (lack of shirt) comparable in any way to Miranda's? Or, more specifically, in terms of being an over-the-top attention-grabber with a sexual slant?

As odd as it may sound it may be the fact hat her entire body is covered in tattoos and so from afar doesn't look like bare so much as it does a skin suit. Plus her chest and buttocks are downplayed whereas with Miranda she might as well bend down and talk while wiggling her butt

I was going to type my reply, but you've already said what I was thinking. Does anybody remember that mod that removes Jack's tats? When I saw the screenshots I thought "hey, but she's naked!" as if I didn't notice that before. The tats themselves are like a suit, you look at her and you see those colors and shapes, you don't see the half naked woman below.

After her character reveal video, I hated Jack because I thought she was an "oversexualized prima donna"... but while playing the game, I realized that it was Miranda who was closer to being an "oversexualized prima donna" instead 9_9 (Miranda fans don't hate me for saying this)

Truth be told, Jack does not have Miri's "ass shots", but there's still that side-boob view that appears in most conversations. As far as I remember, Tali gets none of this. Even if her skin is totally covered by the suit, you can still see her womanly shapes (i.e. dat hips), but I can't remember a single shot putting emphasis on this. Why? Because Tali's the "virginal girl next door" and this kind of gratuitous ass/boob showcase would be out of character.

Miri's look is clearly sexualized in the "classic way", similar to what you'd expect from the sexy female co-protagonist. Jack's outfit shows a lot of skin but in an aggressive way, like "hey I'm here! Look at me if you dare" and at the same time "wtf are you looking at? Get out of my way".

Modifié par Epantiras, 03 février 2011 - 04:16 .

[Loki330]

(smacks face into keyboard) Right. That's Jack's playthrough redone. Now I 'just' have the Miranda one to go-damn her great new armour, nw I want to play thrugh the game again with her instead of just bait-and-switch a few savefiles/shepard names. I might try Infiltrator again, but dear god I found it boring as hell.

Also, because I want to, I'll probably be redoing me engineer. She was fuuuun.

edit: o wait, jack thread. Well I remember alot of people being distracted by Jacks (not to put too finer point on it) ass cleavage. As nice as it is/was I did raise an eyebrow at peoples reaction to that.

Modifié par Loki330, 03 février 2011 - 06:36 .

[SlottsMachine]

I agree with everything you've said Epantiras, just wanted to add one point. I think Jack avoids a lot of the flak that's targeted at Miranda because even during gameplay Miranda's catsuit is a constant reminder of "dat ass", and Jack doesn't have this issue.

[Loki330]

Plus she's mean to Shepard and hurts people's egos that she doesn't worship you.

[Asch Lavigne]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

Miranda makes a good candidate for ME3 judas, as well I think, especially if you've "betrayed" Cerberus. 

END GAME SPOILERS 

I did "betray" Cerberus and took an unloyal Miranda with me in to the final battle so I could purposely kill her, and when i told the Illusive Man that I was going to blow the base he told Miranda to stop me and she told him that she quit. Which I thought was really weird because again, she was not loyal. I did her mission for the exp and items but sided with Jack in the fight afterwards and never made up with Miranda.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 03 février 2011 - 07:41 .

[Mondo47]

For someone half-naked, as we've said many times here before, Jack is more covered and contained than, I don't know... think of someone well-armored... Grunt. If it wasn't for the nipple-halter we'd probably think she was a scrawny lad because we'd just not notice her chest. Both visually and metaphorically, Jack is shielded in a way Tali, Miranda, Samarinth and even Kelly aren't - she vexes our sight and attempts to engender her, and if we stare long enough we're likely to find her forehead and our noses making sudden and distinctly non-erotic contact. And if we keep staring anyway, we wind up with an enigma almost as big as what quarians really look like. She's like a Bacon painting; visceral and shocking and almost too much to look at comfortably, but once we get the guts to do so, we find a craft beneath it all that awes us... though we'd probably have problems hanging Jack in the living room