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[Mondo47]

Jack takes lots of drugs - missing dialogue confirms it. Though granted, it is pretty much only to stop the engineering subdeck turning into a homage to The Exorcist and Poltergeist every time she goes to sleep. I think she's the sort that would try pretty much anything and then get bored with it... considering the accelerated metabolic rate of biotics, shooting up, swallowing, stuffing, huffing, snorting and smoking something would get way too repetative - maintaining a high would be bloody impossible. So I see her going for time-release drugs; patches, inhalers, autoinjectors and implants... probably the only way she can manage to run around without rattling like a walking pharmacist's shop.

Thing is, I think it would be a really personal thing for her. She's tried it all and got bored with it, so she'd probably recite off a laundry list of drug side effects and then deride it as being passe or something for kids. I can't see her trying to get Shep to indulge because she's seen both sides of it; understanding the need and desire, and the flipside of the utter fruitlessness of it. I can see her drinking like a fish and deriding him when he falls out of his chair or starts talking liquored-up crap, though. But drunk Jack - seriously, actually drunk Jack would be a nightmare to deal with... she's impulsive to start with, but hammered - Shep will have to get used to breaking up fights (Jack with a broken bottle - enough to terrify even Grunt) or trying to fend off sudden demands for intimacy in public places. Remember Zaeed could start using all that cam footage from the cargohold and the elevator for blackmail...

Modifié par Mondo47, 06 février 2011 - 01:28 .

[Loki330]

Or worse, she could be a sad drunk in front of shepard. I could very easily see him/her freezing up at that, just utterly unsure what to do.

[Gethforceone]

Would Jack really care about music at all?

[Master Shiori]

Ofc. Every ass kicking action scene needs an appropriate soundtrack.

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...
So I see her going for time-release drugs; patches, inhalers, autoinjectors and implants... probably the only way she can manage to run around without rattling like a walking pharmacist's shop.

And BTW: where the f- does she store everything? I mean, she doesn't look like she has many pockets ;-)

[SlottsMachine]

She stores it in that mystery place where most of the crew sleeps

[axl99]

Or she could ask Mordin for meds. Not saying she would but putting the possibility out there. Otherwise she could have the space version of the Scott E Vest pants that has about 11 hidden pockets that use compressed non-bulge technology.

Modifié par axl99, 06 février 2011 - 04:36 .

[Loki330]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

She stores it in that mystery place where most of the crew sleeps

or Tali puts her geth parts

[Asch Lavigne]

axl99 wrote...

Or she could ask Mordin for meds.

I don't think Jack would "ask," she'd just swipe. Although if she did that... well, she's smart enough to know that Shep would find out and I would like to believe that whatever kind of relationship they have, as long as its positive, that one of the last things Jack would want to do is make Shep loose faith in her. Jack can blame, and has, blamed a lot on other people, and sure we only get her side of the story, but if she had a falling out with Shep that would be all on Jack, And I think after finding someone who trusted her, was her friend, and cared for her with out wanting anything in return, that that would really eat away at Jack.

That could also just be my wishful thinking, because in my ME world, I think that after Garrus, Jack would be my Shep's best friend.

[zewuok]

I think Jack wouldn't take drugs now, when she had sorted some of the things from her past (except biotic inhibitors or something like that). Although on Horizon she says something about drugs calming her, but maybe she's feeling safe enough now and doesn't need (or want) to take mood-altering drugs.

[Batlass8]

Question: we think Jack takes mood-altering drugs, but I now find myself wondering, do you think she at least in part turned to drugs to help her curb violent impulses? Out of a desire to do less harm to others? Maybe my view of Jack is a little too sugary and naive, but I can see her realizing (on some level) that if she takes these drugs, she doesn't feel as vulnerable all the time, and doesn't have to constantly fight with her sense of survival to keep from eliminating all perceived threats, and then making a conscious decision to keep taking them...



Reading this over again, I'm not sure I'm making sense or accurately expressing what I'm trying to. Ah, well.

[NamiraWilhelm]

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[Collider]

I would think that Jack would not take drugs in order to curb her violent tendencies.

[zewuok]

There is a fanfic (sorry, I forgot who wrote it) in which the author explained why Jack is so powerful when we first meet her in Purgatory and not so much in the gameplay. There was this idea that she uses inhibitors to decrease her powers and their negative effects on the neural system. Maybe she uses them to be more in control of her abilities?

I don't think that she needs drugs to curb her violent impulses- she's not a total psychopath that wants to kill everybody around. She just gets rid of people that are a direct threat to her.

On the other hand- I think that Grunt should take some pills to calm himself down. IMO he's much more unstable than Jack.

[Batlass8]

zewuok wrote...

There is a fanfic (sorry, I forgot who wrote it) in which the author explained why Jack is so powerful when we first meet her in Purgatory and not so much in the gameplay. There was this idea that she uses inhibitors to decrease her powers and their negative effects on the neural system. Maybe she uses them to be more in control of her abilities?
I don't think that she needs drugs to curb her violent impulses- she's not a total psychopath that wants to kill everybody around. She just gets rid of people that are a direct threat to her.
On the other hand- I think that Grunt should take some pills to calm himself down. IMO he's much more unstable than Jack.

I should have phrased my earlier post better.  When I mean is less that "JACK MUST KILL" and more that by numbing herself a little, she isn't hyper-sensitive to being threatened, and can 'let things go.'  I think Jack is pretty rational, and usually motivated by self-preservation.  My thought was that maybe the drugs help her not be fixated on figuring out who is a danger to her at any given moment.

That said, I think you're right.  At the very least, before his Rite, Grunt has a hell of a lot less control than Jack does.  (And I say that with love).

[zewuok]

Batlass8 wrote...
I should have phrased my earlier post better.  When I mean is less that "JACK MUST KILL" and more that by numbing herself a little, she isn't hyper-sensitive to being threatened, and can 'let things go.'  I think Jack is pretty rational, and usually motivated by self-preservation.  My thought was that maybe the drugs help her not be fixated on figuring out who is a danger to her at any given moment.

That said, I think you're right.  At the very least, before his Rite, Grunt has a hell of a lot less control than Jack does.  (And I say that with love).

I agree, but wouldn't that make her different and feeling like she's not the same person? And she's not that paranoid, she just has anger issues and problems with trusting people, which is understandable considering her past.
Maybe I'm just too stuck on what she said during Legion's loyalty mission and drugs do screw with our heads so I just can't imagine her doing drugs that can change her (even slightly).

About Grunt- I like him a lot (actually planning to do my next playthrough with him and Samara), but even after the Rite he says pretty disturbing things, and before he was just confused. Maybe it's a Krogan thing

[adriano_c]

Batlass8 wrote...

Question: we think Jack takes mood-altering drugs, but I now find myself wondering, do you think she at least in part turned to drugs to help her curb violent impulses? Out of a desire to do less harm to others? Maybe my view of Jack is a little too sugary and naive, but I can see her realizing (on some level) that if she takes these drugs, she doesn't feel as vulnerable all the time, and doesn't have to constantly fight with her sense of survival to keep from eliminating all perceived threats, and then making a conscious decision to keep taking them...

Reading this over again, I'm not sure I'm making sense or accurately expressing what I'm trying to. Ah, well.

I can't see her taking drugs to lessen her capacity for violence, particularly in the life she had pre-Normandy. For recreation or to numb herself out in one of those quiet, depressed moments? Sure.

[Mondo47]

The three little words... maybe she'd blurt a couple of them out when she was supremely pissed off, but I doubt she'd ever have one of those quiet little "I wuv yoo" moments. There are a thousand ways to voice that sentiment without ever saying it like that. The fact that she comes and cuddles is perhaps the most obvious way she expresses her attachment to Shepard, because that is really intimate contact for her; being defenseless for someone. Every time she smirks at him across the room, every wink, every casual nudge of the hip, every time she bites her lip and walks away from Miranda, every time she goes to sleep beside him... she's saying it

As for the drugs, Jack seems to get bored of experiences fast, particularly fleeting ones, so I'd imagine that drugs for fun would have little draw. Mind altering drugs and those that spike various moods are very short-term and tend to have fairly similar experience peaks, so I can see her getting tired of them after a pretty short period. Drugs to hold down the truly unpleasant side effects of what was done to her... pffftt, you try and stop her taking those.

[Batlass8]

@zewuok: What does she say on Legion's loyalty mission? I remember her saying that she wouldn't want to be brainwashed...is that what you meant? Granted, I don't really know much about future!drugs, but I agree with you that Jack wouldn't want to not-feel like herself. (I am eloquent). I was thinking just something to slow her down...curb her impulsiveness, make her take a couple extra seconds to think before acting. I don't think she's paranoid, just impulsive.



I'm glad you said that about it maybe being just a krogan thing. Except for my renegade!Sheps, my Shepards always find Grunt's proclivity for violence...disquieting.

[Mondo47]

Another reason (perhaps the biggest) that it may well take a very long time for it to be said - the people that say they love Jack go away...

And don't read too much into the krogan condition. If you were a product of evolution on a world where everything was out to kill you without respite (think on the six week gestation for a krogan infant and the long lifespan; thousands never make it to adulthood, while the strongest survive to continue the species as a stronger whole). Sure, they're violent and aggressive, but so's the world that made them. Kill or be killed - it works on Tuchanka. And at least they're honest. If anything, the most truly terrifying krogan ever has to be that one that works for Mr Thax - he's polite and restrained! Just imagine the inside of his head! Your average krogan would ****** himself with fear at what he's thinking!

[axl99]

Three little words? They'll probably get muffled out from all the drunken cuddling. Jack's never been much for words, she admits as such. And since actions speak much louder than words....



Going on the cut audio, Jack took drugs to keep her biotics under control when she's unconscious/sleeping.



Shep: "You take drugs all the time."

Jack: "If I don't, I wake up screaming with furniture banging into the walls."



Any side effects Jack gets from the drugs is likely not worth it in the long run. If that line she says on Horizon is any indication ["Takes a lot of chemicals to get this kinda quiet"], most drugs aren't as effective on her anymore.

[FenrisDeSolar]

I can see Jack having a problem voicing that particular sentiment, but not showing it. I agree with Mondo, in that the little things she does everyday is her way of saying she loves Shepard. But actually sounding it out could be awkward for her.



She wouldn't scream it, and I don't think it's her favourite rebuttal. Like a lot of people with trust issues, it would take Jack a lot of time before she could feel sure enough in her feelings for Shepard and in Shepard's feelings for her that she could find a moment and just say it.



I wanted her to say it in a very short fanfic I wrote about her, and my way of getting around the awkwardness of expressing those words was that I let her say it to a sleeping Shepard. I can imagine her practising the things she wants to say to Shepard while he/she's sleeping.