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Into the Bad Girl: Jack Fans

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Gethforceone
Posté 08 février 2011 - 08:01

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yorkj86 wrote...

If Shepard gives Jack Cerberus' files on her, she says that she wants to go after everyone culpable, and make them pay.  Assuming that Jack has a moral compass (I think she does), how nuanced would her discretion be?


Could you go into a little bit more detail?

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 08:05

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Gethforceone wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

If Shepard gives Jack Cerberus' files on her, she says that she wants to go after everyone culpable, and make them pay.  Assuming that Jack has a moral compass (I think she does), how nuanced would her discretion be?


Could you go into a little bit more detail?


In what respect?  Who would she think is culpable, and why?  What would they needed to have done, in order for Jack to go after them?  Would it be only the scientists who worked at Teltin and TIM?  Would it be the aforementioned, as well as the Cerberus agents and doctors who kidnapped biotics-capable children?  Would it also be TIM's maid, who cleans his bathroom and makes his bed?  Would it even be TIM's dog, Scraps, back on Earth, because Scraps brought TIM so much joy when he was a a wee child?

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 08:05

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yorkj86 wrote...
If Shepard gives Jack Cerberus' files on her, she says that she wants to go after everyone culpable, and make them pay.  Assuming that Jack has a moral compass (I think she does), how nuanced would her discretion be?

If you play a right bastard Shepard, Jack makes a few comments on Shepard's actions as if it hadn't even occurred to her to be that much of a douchebag. So she has her limits.

I still think Jack's comments about her plans in regards to Cerberus are more talk than actual plan. When she finally does ask Shepard for help, it has nothing to do with the scientists who messed with her during her time at Teltin. She simply wanted to blow an abandoned facility up. Is that because she was waiting until after Shepard's mission to cut loose and take her revenge? Considering Jack never seemed to think the mission would end in anything other than her death, it would seem revenge wasn't necessary for closure before the end. And depending on how you played Shepard and his reactions to Jack, she could very well be unlikely to look for revenge now that the mission is over and she's come out of it alive.

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 08:17

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I think that killing the scientists that tortured her would be too predictable for Jack. She seems like the sort of person who would send a message first: a strong message. The bombing of the Teltin facility, would of course been known by all the scientists who worked there (and on Jack) would certainly invoke fear. They may constantly live with the knowledge that Jack had escaped and may come after them next.

As for why she only went this far before the suicide mission when she thought that the likelihood of her death was very high... I think that she would rather that they lived in fear, and this would mean that they probably won't continue torturing experimentations, rather than just killing them, and ending their fear.

This is my take on it anyway, I believe Jack has her moral compass though. And she would rather wipe away all the terrible memories that haunted her rather than go down the typical revenge route, and kill all her captors.

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 08:29

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Mondo47 wrote...

Just makes me think how unreal she would look coming out of Shepard's shower dripping wet. Like a manmade tiger, moving oblique from a forest of steam and perfume into a landscape of steel; frame a chaos of lines and shapes, snatches and gleaming fragments of jet, emerald, ruby, fractured glass and ivory... muscles under skin moving with sinuous, deadly momentum... what hand or eye dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

"Hey, quit gawpin' and gimme a towel."

:D


:blink:  That was beautiful.

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 08:51

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I agree Pacifien, and also wasn't her loyalty mission about Jack moving on from her past. Jack's had a cruddy life up till now, but now that she's finally free, would she really want to go back to that angry vengeful state, or maybe she can't/wont be able to stop herself.

And if she did go down the revenge route, I think once she started she wouldn't be able to stop, since there would be no shortage of culprits. Discretion wise, I could see Jack being torn between chatting of Thane for tips on a stealth approach, and wanting all of them to know she's coming for them.

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 09:05

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Epantiras wrote...
You know? I've just made me turn from an Anomen-hater to an Anomen-neutral (not yet an Anomen-fan, that will take some work). I actually remember some lines of his chaotic-neutral self, they were better than the frist impression I had. Blame my paladin allergy... the only videogame paladin I've seen so far that really deserves that name is Samara ;-)

Oh, and nice to see you back JD!

Nice to see you too Epantiras!

And how about that...uh...DA2 signature you got goin on down there?:bandit:  I have to admit that I kinda like the gore in DA.  I don't care for some of the bugs though, and that's mainly why I'm not pre-ordering DA2.  It doesn't hold the same replay value with me as ME1 or 2 does, but I think I can overlook that.  That game has crashed on me too many times, not to mention DLC items/content disappearing from the game.  Soldier's Peak disappearing from my map.  I load up DA and instead of my Warden wearing BD armor for example, he's butt naked.  Random squad teleportations and other strange anomalies...

I like the toolset and modding capabilities though.

And speaking of modding, this is the Jack thread, and I have an announcement to make.  I've done a little hacking here lately with ME2, and I've modded the game to allow Jack to slap Miranda during the confrontation in Miranda's quarters.  Jack can also slap Miranda in the conference room after she is recruited.  I've got the ini file uploaded if anyone is interested in trying it out.

Just kidding.:P

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 08 février 2011 - 09:37 .

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Mondo47
Posté 08 février 2011 - 09:47

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Jack's not the slapping type, Johnny! You need to go back to the drawing board and make a reflects-their-personality-reaction mod - Jack baits the cheerleader, Miranda slaps Jack, Jack headbutts Miranda ;)

Ah, the resounding crack of forehead against septum; like hot willow against cold cork - june cricket on summer lawns...

(seems I'm still channelling classic British wordsmiths tonight... I've gone from Blake to Wells via Bowie :D )

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 10:07

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What's up Mondo!?  Did you ever see Ferris Bueller's Day Off?  Remember that secretary that was talking about how everyone in school liked Ferris? 

Well, just replace "school" with "BSN", and replace "Ferris" with "Mondo".

Intellectuals, smart people, dumb people, ass*oles, dweebs, d*ckheads,...you name it!  They think she's a righteous chick!

And your right, I spent all that time on that mod, and the Jack character flew right over my head. *envisions jet airplane*

Back to the drawing board.  *massages bald head*

:D

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 08 février 2011 - 10:10 .

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 10:14

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yorkj86 wrote...

Dicey1 wrote...

Ilzairspar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

That-Tattooed-Woman, a WIP, by Louvette.  That ought to shut up people who claim Jack is scrawny and unhealthy-looking.


wow absolutely amazing.


sexy


Also that, yes.  If the completed picture shows Jack's whole body, can I at least link to the picture here, or is that verboten, too?


Thanks! I'm glad you guys like what I've made so far.Posted Image  Once I'm done with the modelling and texturing my first image of Jack WILL be an artistic nude, which is similar to what I've done with my Thane and Miranda models.  And no, I'm not making my own version of Fornax Posted Image

Damn where are my manners?  Hi everyone! I'm Louvette but you guys can also call me Lydlyd as it's my nickname in real life.  Nice to meet you all! I mostly hang out in the Thane thread and in the Drellickers Anonymous group.  Jack's my favourite romance for my ManShep and I think she's just beautiful. I hope we get to see her again in ME3.

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 10:21

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lydlyd wrote...
Thanks! I'm glad you guys like what I've made so far.Posted Image  Once I'm done with the modelling and texturing my first image of Jack WILL be an artistic nude, which is similar to what I've done with my Thane and Miranda models.  And no, I'm not making my own version of Fornax Posted Image

Damn where are my manners?  Hi everyone! I'm Louvette but you guys can also call me Lydlyd as it's my nickname in real life.  Nice to meet you all! I mostly hang out in the Thane thread and in the Drellickers Anonymous group.  Jack's my favourite romance for my ManShep and I think she's just beautiful. I hope we get to see her again in ME3.

What you've made so far looks stunning, please remember to post a link in here when you're done! Always nice to find new people who appreciate Jack :D

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danitiwa
Posté 08 février 2011 - 10:28

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Jack reminds me a lot of Natalie Portman.

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That is all.

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 10:58

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Yeah, we get that a lot, around here. We've not found Jack's actual face-model, though, if she even has one. I've also heard people say she resembles Audrey Hepburn.

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danitiwa
Posté 08 février 2011 - 11:06

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Maybe she's a mix of lots of attractive hollywood women. Kind of like Adam Hughes' catwoman.
Only... Bald and has tatoos substituting a shirt.

I think she's a lot better looking than Miranda, and I don't know why this is, because Yvonne Strahovski is very pretty in real life. It's just that they made her look really odd in game and they managed to make Jack look more natural. So maybe Jack was custom made? I'm only throwing out ideas. If you find her face model that would be awesome. Because she does have a really nice face.

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 11:40

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I've been thinking recently that Olivia Wilde would make a great Jack.

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Posté 08 février 2011 - 11:41

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*double post*

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Posté 09 février 2011 - 12:02

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I think Jack would look pretty cool wearing some armor.

I just downloaded and installed the latest appearance pack DLC, and I must say that I couldn't be a happier gamer right now.  Thanks Bioware.:D 
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Posté 09 février 2011 - 01:14

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danitiwa wrote...

Maybe she's a mix of lots of attractive hollywood women. Kind of like Adam Hughes' catwoman.
Only... Bald and has tatoos substituting a shirt.

I think she's a lot better looking than Miranda, and I don't know why this is, because Yvonne Strahovski is very pretty in real life. It's just that they made her look really odd in game and they managed to make Jack look more natural. So maybe Jack was custom made? I'm only throwing out ideas. If you find her face model that would be awesome. Because she does have a really nice face.

Probably the same reason Liara, Samara and even Sheploo can put people on edge: uncanny valley

Take Miranda in the Blur trailer for example-she looks perfectly fine there, but they use a different model that looks clearly CG.

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Posté 09 février 2011 - 01:35

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Does the Uncanny Valley apply to CG renders of face-scans, though?

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Posté 09 février 2011 - 01:55

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If you're a person that is on edge with Liara, Samara, or default maleShep, and this revulsion is related to the uncanny valley theory, then I would think that it has to be assumed that you are indeed aware that these aforementioned character faces are indeed face-scans of actual people.  If you aren't aware of this, then the uncanny valley theory would not only apply to the aforementioned characters, but every other character that resembles humans in the game, if that was actually the case.  By extension, it would also apply to every known type of animation that attempts to create a facsimile of how humans look.

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Posté 09 février 2011 - 02:08

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Depends on the quality of the textures and the number of polygons used on the mesh I reckon.  And the inclusion of imperfections and assymetry even just in small doses will certainly help sell the realism.

From my perspective Jack has a similar facial structure as Audrey Hepburn.  In a way it's a good thing that she isn't based on an actual person (perhaps) because that'll give me the freedom to interpret her however I wish.  I had a little argument in the Miranda thread for daring to suggest that Miranda looks different from Yvonne, and making my Miranda model look different from the in-game model:devil: *shrugs* Whatevs.

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Posté 09 février 2011 - 02:53

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I do wish one of the devs would pop in here and at least tell us if she was or wasn't based on an actual person. Don't really even need to tell us who, since it must not be someone famous or I think one of us would have figured it out by now. I'm just curious.



Alas, the ME developers aren't as chatty as the Dragon Age group is. That's too bad, since the character support threads in the DA section get all sorts of developer input.

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Posté 09 février 2011 - 04:16

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she's crazy and pretty enough to be angelina jolie minus hair.

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Posté 09 février 2011 - 04:18

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MHRazer wrote...

I do wish one of the devs would pop in here and at least tell us if she was or wasn't based on an actual person. Don't really even need to tell us who, since it must not be someone famous or I think one of us would have figured it out by now. I'm just curious.

Alas, the ME developers aren't as chatty as the Dragon Age group is. That's too bad, since the character support threads in the DA section get all sorts of developer input.


The ME developers make things up as they go.  They have nothing to talk about until the very last minute, anyway.

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Posté 09 février 2011 - 04:46

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yorkj86 wrote...
The ME developers make things up as they go.  They have nothing to talk about until the very last minute, anyway.

That's what I like about you yorkster, you're always positive and upbeat. :P


Besides, "ME2 is about the characters.  The plot and story are perfectly satisfactory.  That's what ME2 is about." 
Oh yeah?  Hey you're pretty sharp.  While we're getting to know all of these damn characters, how about we try to freakin accomplish something else in the ME universe as well, huh?:o


Seriously though, the question is just how well is ME2 setting up ME3.  They switched around a couple of writers and did some retconning.  We got some inconsistencies and contradictions.  Ok then, did you devs get it lined up the way you want it?  Is it all going to come together in ME3?  Is ME2 just a little bump in the road, with these changes providing a seemless experience for the conscientious players in ME3?  You guys aren't coming up with these ideas while you're sitting on the toilet are you?

I have to admit that I share a bit of your enthusiasm here yorkster.

:D

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