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This song may be a bit soft but I feel it's perfect for Shepard & Jack's relationship.
Especially if you look at it from Shep's perspective.
Truly you can find it in strange places, places you never knew it could be.

So what song in your opinion describes their relationship?
I like the song because it speaks of seeking happiness. You can't deny Jack's not looking for some

Also, has anyone played the Dragon Age II demo? Aveline is basically what Jack would be like as Shep's wife if they ever got married. For those who don't know, she's basically an Amazon warrior devoted to her husband. Very strong willed.

But then she becomes a bit more like Thane lets just say...
We have Fenris as the Jack expy though not present in the demo 

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yorkj86 wrote...

Some interesting topics raised elsewhere, on another forum:

1) Does Jack belong in a ME game?  Why, or why not?
1a) Some people say ME2 takes the setting less-seriously than it does in ME1.  If you aree with this, and if you think Jack belongs in a ME game, do you think she would fit in better in ME1, or ME2?
2) Can Jack's character stand on its own?
2a) Is Jack's character too complex for ME2?
2b) Do you think Jack's character overwhelms Shepard's character?
2c) If you think Jack's character overwhelms Shepard's character, do you think Shepard is "worthy" of interacting with Jack?
2d) Is Jack's character done a disservice, by being in the "wrong" game, or by not being the main character, in its own game?


1) Yes
1a) I think Jack definitely fits better in ME2, for me ME1 is all about have that innocent quality, a sense of discovery and awe, and just not knowing any better, these are not things that come to mind when I think of Jack.
2) Sure
2a) No
2b) Yes and No, yes if you view Shep as nothing more the a narrator advancing the story, but if you role-play your Shep with all the detail and intricacies as I do, then No.
2d) I don't know what the "right" game would be, Jack has a level of development not seen in most videogame protagonists, but if she was put in the lead role would we see any more development, or would it just be spread out more. I think its the latter, therefore Jack would be no better served in a lead role.  

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 24 février 2011 - 07:03 .


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I love that screencap Bat, its almost like Jack is challenging Miranda, see I bet your not immune to these eyes either Miranda.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 24 février 2011 - 07:11 .


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With Shepard's voice actors, I always thought they were reversing the stereotype that the female lead is the emotional one and the man is calm and collected. Because I find Hale to be very calm, reserved and Meer to be very emotional and sometimes it works for Meer and sometimes not. Neither are perfect, you take the good with the bad, its all just a matter of preference.

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Confused-Shepard wrote...

So what song in your opinion describes their relationship?
I like the song because it speaks of seeking happiness. You can't deny Jack's not looking for some 


Two that come to mind for me are 'Long Way To Happy' and 'I'm Not Dead' by P!nk. At times, I feel that their voices are quite similar, so it feels a little like a song Jack would sing along to down in the sub-deck if she thought no one was about. Anyone else feel that Jack and P!nk sound a little alike?

A song that may not fully describe JackShep's relationship but always makes me think of it is 'Bright Eyes' by Dax Johnson. Two other good songs by Dax that I listen to while writing some of the Jack scenes in my fic are 'Echoes' and 'Fear of Light'.

And for a little silliness- after the final romance dialogue before she comes up to Shep's cabin, you know where Shep can say 'I'm also technically undead, so do your worst', you leave her just as she smutters 'Goddamnit!'. I get this hilarious image of her singing a song from the Disney film 'Hercules' called 'I won't say (I'm in love)' Like the character from that movie (Megan, I think?), Jack is trying to deny her feelings and block Shep out.

My two cents, anyway. Perhaps I'm way off. Internet, criticise away!

Modifié par fainmaca, 24 février 2011 - 09:57 .


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@GeneralSlotts193: I just like the face she's giving Miranda. It's 100% "bite me." But sooooo pretty at the same time!

@fainmaca: +10 for the Disney reference.

Confused-Shepard wrote...

So what song in your opinion describes their relationship?


The relationship? Your Surrender, by Neon Trees.
Jack's perspective? Coyote, by Jenny Owen Youngs.
Shep's perspective? Just for You, by William Tell.

These picks are all pretty heavily lyrics-based.

Edited to clean the format
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Modifié par Batlass8, 24 février 2011 - 10:39 .


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I tried doing a music video for Shepard and Jack with the song "Shadows" by Red. I dunno.

Modifié par Sundown Native, 25 février 2011 - 12:31 .


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Sundown Native wrote...

I tried doing a music video for Shepard and Jack with the song "Shadows" by Red. I dunno.


I watched the video, and I like it and the song.  Although the sound quality wasn't awesome, but I'm 94% sure that that's the fault of my terrible speakers.

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Batlass8 wrote...
@fainmaca: +10 for the Disney reference.


Gotta admit, its hard to imagine Jack in a Disney setting, but funny as anything.

Question is, who would sing the parts of the muses? Answer- the four tall skinny ones are Tali, Kasumi, Miri and Samara, and who else could be the short chubby one but Grunt.

Come on, try and tell me that picturing a Krogan singing that song isn't funny.

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edit; holy messcakes. One mo while I fix it. :o

So try again...

I think this one for Jack's pov. For Shepard? This one of course

I kid, I kid, this one for Shep's pov. Even if the first one does actually make alot of sense lyric wise. :?

Modifié par Loki330, 25 février 2011 - 04:44 .


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@fainmaca: I lol'd. The song might be Disney, but the sentiment is there.



@Loki: My country is blocking me from the first two songs...could you post the name/artist?



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Since we're discussing their relationship, it's totally relevant.

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Ah, apologies. First one was 'Falling for you' by 'Jem'. Second was a joke one so don't worry about it

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yorkj86 wrote...

No no, I was referring to Jack, Shepard, and Gianna and Shiala being friendly with him, in front of Jack.


Weeeell... I think it'd be a very hard one to measure. My previous little scene was very much what I would do as much as I imagine Jack being very capable of it. She's got a sense of humour, she'd be tickled by putting the thumbscrews on a rival, and I'm sure she's not so completely insecure that she'd start throwing her weight about; I think Shep doing something dangerous would bother her more than some floozey batting her eyelids at him. Shep running off to save the galaxy and leaving her behind out of harm's way would likely have her storming after him yelling about how she's gonna kill him and then ditch his sorry ass. I'm not saying she's beyond jealousy or concern about someone being more suitable for Shep than herself, but it would really depend on the person... if Miri started the eyelash-batting, she'd laugh it off (because after all, why would he want to settle for hamburger after having steak, plus is she gonna look defensive in front of the Cheerleader and thus acknowledge the threat Miri might pose) but if Tali did it, I can see her worrying then; Tali is nice, deserving of a nice guy, Jack is gonna look in the mirror and see damaged goods and be unsettled by it. I mean, what does she do - put the frighteners on Fishbowl and risk riling Shepard (and potentially forcing him into her arms, or worse, making her appear weak and needy - Jack don't blink in the face of death, remember) or does she do nothing and cope with that antsy feeling she's not defending her stick in the dirt well enough? In the end, Jack is almost a newcomer to real, involving-two-people, emotional relationships, she's bound to worry a little, though I don't see her as incapable of standing her ground and not flinching... think about how it all started - she never pursued Shep, he had to do the coming to her, she didn't go to him and say she wanted to screw around, she gives him the chance to hang himself with enough rope and bypass the feelings she's starting to get, she's not pawing at him (Miri) or giving off signals the ship's training wheels can spot a mile off (Tali), she just waits to see what happens. That's Jack's style; feign indifference while inside wrestling with bigger things. That would always be there, but like Jack's tears, I doubt they'd manifest obviously anywhere other than behind closed doors.

But shooing someone off that's little more than a biplane circling her King Kong head... I can see that being a reaction to most Shepard fangirls. And besides, once the media gets hold of the fact that "... Commander Shepard's ever-present mystery female companion bears an uncanny resemblance to a criminal wanted by at least seventeen seperate authorities within Council space for crimes as varied as Piracy, Theft, Murder, Kidnapping, Extortion, Smuggling, Destruction of Governmental Property..." - you'd need to be Aria to even contemplate it (and I'm only saying that because her ego's the size of Omega) ^_^

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Mondo47 wrote...
"... Commander Shepard's ever-present mystery female companion bears an uncanny resemblance to a criminal wanted by at least seventeen seperate authorities within Council space for crimes as varied as Piracy, Theft, Murder, Kidnapping, Extortion, Smuggling, Destruction of Governmental Property..."


You forgot "Double Parking" :-P

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I think Jack wouldn't care that much about Shiala, Gianna etc. even flirting with Shepard. She knows how it works- little smiles, eye contact, voice tone, a bit of teasing and all that. I assume Jack's confident that Shep isn't going to go for Miranda, because he could have done that but he chose her.

The only problem I can think of is Shep getting friendly with another woman- I mean a real cross-sex friendship. Jack may think of it as a threat, because that's how their relationship has started- with Shep trotting to The Pit and talking with her. Even if he just wants to talk to, let's say, Tali about good ol' times and whatnot, Jack may be jealous and frightened a little because she knows they have known each other for some time and Tali is obviously into him. Who knows what thoughts would race through Jack's mind then?

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A short fuse that only a special kind of match could light.
I have a question to ask.


We all know -- and I'm assuming this -- what went down, in Teltin. We'd believe that Jack would want all those people that worked there dead; scientists, janitors, security guards -- you name it.


Question is, what if there was just one person who actually treated her like she was a little girl, and no some super soldier experiment, like the rest of the team there? A security guard, specifically, with a conscience. He'd only followed his orders because he didn't know exactly what was happening, there.


what do you think he'd do?


I have my own answer to this question, but I'd like to see someone else's, before I give my own.

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Sundown Native wrote...

A short fuse that only a special kind of match could light.
I have a question to ask.


We all know -- and I'm assuming this -- what went down, in Teltin. We'd believe that Jack would want all those people that worked there dead; scientists, janitors, security guards -- you name it.


Question is, what if there was just one person who actually treated her like she was a little girl, and no some super soldier experiment, like the rest of the team there? A security guard, specifically, with a conscience. He'd only followed his orders because he didn't know exactly what was happening, there.


what do you think he'd do?


I have my own answer to this question, but I'd like to see someone else's, before I give my own.


Honestly? It would end up as another Murtock situation where the sympathizer tries too set her free but gets killed for it. Or he caused the Teltin riot and set Jack free but she unknowingly killed him. 

Also, what would Shpeard do if the authorities found out Jack/Subject Zero was with Shepard and wanted to arrest her? Mine would use the Shadow Broker Network to erase all knowledge of her and even forge a new identity. 
Her name is now Pierre and she works in a Frenh Resturant. :lol: 

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Batlass8 wrote...

@fainmaca: I lol'd. The song might be Disney, but the sentiment is there.

@Loki: My country is blocking me from the first two songs...could you post the name/artist?

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"awesome Jack in bedibay comic snip"

Since we're discussing their relationship, it's totally relevant.


god, I never get tired of their facial expressions :P  notice anticipation on grunt's face?  he knows its going to be good :P

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Considering a recent trend...



How would a romanced Jack react to Shepard being captured and tortured as a war criminal by the Batarians? Would she try and break him out? Let's say he was badly beaten up and covered with cuts all over his body but managed to escape. She first sees him as he is brought on to the Normandy. How would she react in public and then privately in his quarters?

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Confused-Shepard wrote...
How would a romanced Jack react to Shepard being captured and tortured as a war criminal by the Batarians? Would she try and break him out?


Sure. And kill as many batarians as possible in the process :D

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I imagine Shepard would seem rather vulnerable and Jack would comfort him in her own way.

Shep wouldn't really have the time to set up a wall like Jack.



"C'mon you **** (her voice breaking just a tad). Those 4 eyed cockroaches can't touch you!"

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Confused-Shepard wrote...

Honestly? It would end up as another Murtock situation where the sympathizer tries too set her free but gets killed for it. Or he caused the Teltin riot and set Jack free but she unknowingly killed him. 



It doesn't always have to end in tragedy for the guy helping.


My vision was this:



The guy is persuaded to work there, by a close friend or an official that appreciates his work, and is assigned to guard the doors outside of the facility. No one lets him in on the things that are going on, behind them. And they don't tell him about the fact that the Illusive Man knew nothing about these experiments. He spends the beginning week following his orders, and not asking questions, unless it involved how someone was going to spend their break.

Eventually, he discovers that the scientist were experimenting on human children, and becomes concerned. He reluctantly accepts what's going on when he is reminded that the experiments were for their benefit, and it all was for the "advancement of the human race." His superiors allow him inside, and he spends the rest of his job making sure things didn't get out of hand.

But instead of tormenting the children, the guy guides the kids to the cafeteria and back, stops fights between the children and the guards -- basically doing his job, without abusing his power. He'd be the only good guard, the only reason most of the kids obeyed as long as they did.

Then the guard finds out that kids were getting killed from the experiments conducted. And that more of them were being brought in for the sole sake of getting killed by the same thing. Once again, he gets concerned, and is told that it was a small price to pay, in order to accomplish the goals they set, for themselves. Around this time, Jack gets brought in, and they assign him to guard the room they placed her in.


Then come the perverted guards, and the gladiator fights.


The guard spends the remainder of his time there talking with Jack, and the other kids, trying to provide whatever comfort he could, while secretly plotting the facility's downfall. In the end, he resigns. But before he leaves, he tells all the children to riot, and overrides the locks on Jack's door. Once he's back at his former posting, he informs the Illusive Man about Teltin, and announces his resignation from the organization. Or he could head to the Citadel, contact Fade, and just dissapear.


Either way, he'd be that one guy who gave all the kids a chance to have a life. He'd never know that they'd all end up getting killed by Jack, but at least his conscience could rest easy, knowing that he did what was right.

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Sundown Native wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Honestly? It would end up as another Murtock situation where the sympathizer tries too set her free but gets killed for it. Or he caused the Teltin riot and set Jack free but she unknowingly killed him. 



It doesn't always have to end in tragedy for the guy helping.


My vision was this:



The guy is persuaded to work there, by a close friend or an official that appreciates his work, and is assigned to guard the doors outside of the facility. No one lets him in on the things that are going on, behind them. And they don't tell him about the fact that the Illusive Man knew nothing about these experiments. He spends the beginning week following his orders, and not asking questions, unless it involved how someone was going to spend their break..


I wouldn't be so naive. Plausible Deniability. The Illusive Man probabaly sanctioned the experiments but the only thing he probably didn't know was the extent to which they were being done. Instead of gassing 50 jews they gassed 500. However, if he truly was in the dark regarding Teltin then he's a blind idiot

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Never said I believed he didn't know. It's just that they didn't think he did. Miranda seems to believe no one knew until AFTER the incident, though, so yeah.

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It's quiet...too quiet...

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