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[Epantiras]

zewuok wrote...

Epantiras wrote...
BTW anyone knows the exact words Jack says about "friends needing a shorter knife to hurt you"?

Here you go [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

[awesome]

Thanks :-)

Also, I liked what you wrote about Jack's body language, she's indeed one of the most "active" characters during conversations as she often moves from one place to the other - I like how she "runs away" during the "I have thoughs like bugs" conversation. Crossing arms, jumping on tables, moving away... those are "hidden messages" that are worth thousand words.

[Mondo47]

If there's one bit of Jack I love (performance wise - meaning both Ms. Taylor and the collection of polys we call Jack) it's the little "Do you ever see me flinch?" bit post bearing-her-innermost. The way her voice is just on the edge of cracking, the pregnant tears at the edges of her eyes being held back from birth, the aggressive body language (she's about two steps shy of swinging for Shepard)... that was what sold me Jack was still really alive inside, and not some cold, dead killing machine, moreso than her tears-and-cuddles moment (that's just affirming what we by then know and showing Jack can live with it - probably why some of us have so many proud, warm fuzzy feelings for her at that moment).

Because it's all for her benefit. She's desperately trying to convince herself she really is what she thinks she needs to be to survive. And it means Teltin and everything else didn't snuff out the light in her. For all her vulnerabilities, Jack is so f*cking strong you can't help but find a little inspiration in it all. Really boggles me where the Jack-detractors get their supposed ammunition from...

Now, now, kids... let's not forget she's a psychopathic, whiny emo-b*tch who needs longer hair, less tattoos and about 80% more submissiveness...

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...

Now, now, kids... let's not forget she's a psychopathic, whiny emo-b*tch who needs longer hair, less tattoos and about 80% more submissiveness...

Dear Jackolyte, let me recommend you all this quote from the Book of Jack (14:29)

Jack said...
If you screwed with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me.

Biodudes did a great job with body language animations - let's be honest, they did a good job with Tali too, since we're NOT seeing a face with emotions but Tali moving her hands nervously, shifting weight from one leg to the other and so on, just to make some examples. I wonder how much of that comes from the writer's pen and how much is the result of a group effort. I wouldn't be making these questions if Jack's writer were still working for Bioware.

Modifié par Epantiras, 28 février 2011 - 11:00 .

[NICKjnp]

No...we'll get an e-mail.

[Ymladdych]

NICKjnp wrote...
No...we'll get an e-mail.

Yeah, I hesitated on going with the Jack romance because I knew she was statistically unpopular, and developers are bound by the numbers game.  I couldn't pass it up in the end, though; she was too perfect for my personal take on Shepard.

Still, I didn't go into it with my eyes closed, so my expectations are limited to a satisfactory explanation of her fate between ME2 and ME3, preferably with a dialogue opportunity for Shepard to express some emotion about it.  I'd like to hear that she's moved on to better things, but something sad would work, too.  I'll cross that RP bridge when I get to it, I suppose.

[Gethforceone]

Sundown Native wrote...

You know what? Screw it. I'll be optimistic, about this.

Jack's coming back. A small fanbase is still a fanbase.

Right on!

[Epantiras]

She's also the favourite character of one of the devs if I'm not mistaken. Like having a personal guardian angel :-)

[axl99]

Casey Hudson, lead producer, and Matt Rhodes, lead concept artist.

So technically, two guardian angels.

[royceclemens]

I'm extraordinarily optimistic that Jack will be back in ME3. Furthermore, I don't think BioWare is as bound to the statistrics as some pessimists seem to think they are. Allow me to elaborate, if you will indulge me.

Let's just assume, just for the sake of a wacky, wacky argument, that every player does an even switch-out rotation (like I do), in the attempt to give every squaddie a somewhat equal amount of face time. If we go under this assumption, then the clear winner is Jacob because he is the first squaddie we get and, thusly, he's the only one who we have to do two missions in a row with. The clear losers are Kasumi (as she's been a squaddie three months fewer than the rest, in addition to her seven dollar price tag) and Legion (because we get him so late in the game). The deck is stacked and thus, an unclear indicator.

Now I'll admit, that's a pretty minute eventuality, so let's go by something a little more concrete: The Suicide Mission. A great way to make sure a character doesn't make it into ME3, so let's look at that. All things being equal we yet again have a clear winner and a clear loser. The clear winner is Miranda. If she's loyal, she's the Highlander. Barring the presence of Clancy Brown in a punk haircut brandishing a claymore, she's immortal. The clear loser is, of course, dear ol' Mordin, who has a habit of dying if you so much as breathe on him.

Plus there are other factors that can be culled even from a cursory glance on these forums, even though they're so miniscule as only the big fans post here. The unpopularity of Jack has some pretty big competition. Namely the angry FemShep fans who did in Jacob because he said Miranda needed "a better man than I." The vocal Anti-Tali brigade who makes sure she never gets out of the ventilation shaft alive just to see her get headshotted. And lest we forget Morinth, the most reviled squadmate in BioWare history.

Now let's widen the iris to all the casual gamers who picked it up to see what all the fuss was about, or the folks who got it at Blockbuster for a week. Did all these people like Jack? That number of people won't like anyone completely and wholly, but without coming here or actually doing research, did they all know how to kill her to make her presence in ME3 null and void?

Now all of this is conjecture, I agree, easily proven or disproven by looking at numbers we don't have access to. Nevertheless, I'd rather sink with a beautiful theory than swim with an ugly fact, and these are my beautiful theories.

Modifié par royceclemens, 01 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[idoless24]

I love Jack and I hope she comes back in ME3. I always had her and Grunt in my squad as they had some of the funniest lines.

[Barrendall]

yorkj86 wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint, Grunt and Jack work well together. From a roleplay standpoint, they'd compete with each other for accomplishment in destruction. Off of missions, they may say nothing to each other, or they may laugh at some good fight stories, but it'd probably end there. I think both of them would like that boundary.

I don't know York.  Out of all the squadmates I figure Grunt would be the one that Jack could connect with outside of missions and such.  I can see Jack in one of her more contemplative moods sitting out in the cargo bay cleaning her shotgun or doing whatever with Grunt sitting there quietly with her not saying a word because sometimes conversation isn't what's needed.  I can also see the two of them training together.  It's obvious that Grunt has admiration for her (if you take him on Jack's recruitment mission) and I wouldn't doubt that she has his respect.  That's just my take on it however.

[SlottsMachine]

It may be just me, but doesn't Jack and Miranda form the perfect team from a gameplay standpoint, the only thing holding them back is being forced to put points into shockwave for Jack. Sometimes I think this how Jack got nerfed during development, because they wanted them to accentuate each other, and it just happened that Miranda was the one to get warp.

[spirosz]

I agree with Barrendall, Grunt and Jack seem to have this mutual respect for each other, well in my opinion.

[SlottsMachine]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Biotic squads seem to have the best synergy in the game, overall.  Anyone with pull and/or singularity would work well with Miranda. Anyone with warp would work well with Jack.

True, but for me Jack's cool down bonus + ammo power is the tie breaker. And I also like that I'm making them play nice.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 02 mars 2011 - 03:56 .

[idoless24]

yorkj86 wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint, Grunt and Jack work well together. From a roleplay standpoint, they'd compete with each other for accomplishment in destruction. Off of missions, they may say nothing to each other, or they may laugh at some good fight stories, but it'd probably end there. I think both of them would like that boundary.

I think thats why I liked them together so much..the fact that from a roleplay standpoint, they would compete with each other for who's gonna destroy the most. They perfectly balanced my paragon (sometimes renegade) femshep by reminding her that everythings not rainbows and puppies all the time.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Biotic squads seem to have the best synergy in the game, overall.  Anyone with pull and/or singularity would work well with Miranda. Anyone with warp would work well with Jack.

Yep...although I prefer to bring Jack and Samara for my playthroughs.  And I end up removing warp ammo.  Heavy reave does the trick, Jack uses pull field, Shepard uses warp, Samara uses pull, Shepard uses Warp, Shepard uses wide singularity, Jack uses improved shockwave, and etc...I love biotic synergy.