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[SlottsMachine]

I overlooked Mordin, I agree that he and Jack would get along well, at least in small doses. And Bat the thing that would stand in the way of a friendship between Tali and Jack, is the fact that Tali is probably scared of her, not knocking Tali I'd be sacred of Jack too.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 24 mars 2011 - 02:23 .

[android654]

yorkj86 wrote...

But how did Liara know...? I know it sets Liarafans off, calling Liara creepy, but how did she know...?

She's a stalker. I would be uncomfortable with a person knowing so much about me. She's obvioulsy keeping too many tabs on too many people.

royceclemens
Know what I like about the Jack romance?  How everyone looks at Shepard like he's lost his mind, until they get to a point and they have nice things to say about Jack.  The only one who reacts to it normally is Mordin, and even then "normal" is a relative term.  Kasumi talks smack about the two of them together until after the suicide mission when she gets it.  Liara get her betrayal line until she gets a grip and tries to fathom their attraction.  It's like the characters are hitting the same moment of clarity we all did.

Its cuz they secretly envy her. Its a side effect of being an "outside looking in" type of person. There's secret envy on her insight, she's clearly the hardest character to get to know in the series, and definitely one of the most fleshed out character in just about any video game.

In short, they're jealous.

Modifié par android654, 24 mars 2011 - 04:09 .

[Batlass8]

@royceclemens: To be honest, I was dead-set on hating Fenris... but I found his voice really sexy, and then he started making really dry jokes.... I still like Jack better though!

@generalslotts: I agree with you that a RL (RL is that even the right term? Whatever, you know what I mean), friendship between Tali and Jack would never happen. I also think (and I've mentioned this before, I think) that I can imagine a universe in which Jack and Kelly are really good friends; you know, those two girls from high school that were best friends and no one understood it? Their personalities are diametrically opposed, but if the two of them had grown up together, I think they'd realize that they compliment each other. In the ME universe, Jack would probably try to murder Kelly the first time she tried to break down our girl's emotional walls. (I use the word 'murder' loosely here).

[SlottsMachine]

yorkj86 wrote...

At least Jack doesn't have "bishie" hair.

Every time you post, I learn something new.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 24 mars 2011 - 06:42 .

[android654]

Sundown Native wrote...

I'm not seeing it.

The Fenris/Jack relation. I'm not seeing it. At all.

He's a p*ssy, she'd tire of all the angst pretty quickly. She has her own that weighs her down enough, she doesn't spread it to other people. Fenris through, dishes it out to anyone with an ear. People like that are even more annyoing in rl.

[zvbxrpl]

Sundown Native wrote...

I'm not seeing it.

The Fenris/Jack relation. I'm not seeing it. At all.

I'm with you on this.  Admittedly, I haven't played DA2 since my companion quests in Act 2 started going haywire, but I think Fenris is a far more standard antihero than Jack is.  By which I mean he's an ass.

Less flippantly, what I'm getting at is that Jack displays emotional range from the very start--we are immediately presented with the two sides of her coin, if you will.  On the one hand, she's a bad-girl type character with the requisite salty mouth and enjoyment of a good fight.  On the other, she's been exploited and victimized by people for most of her life, and so underneath that there's some real rage and pain that pours over at anyone who she feels threatened by--which is anyone who does more than just leave her alone, since she figures they must be out for themselves even if they seem friendly.  It's her against the world.

Fenris, however, has come out of his (similar) experiences with an entirely different worldview.  It's not that he can't trust anyone, but rather that mages are bastards, and that if you give a person mercy or a second chance, they will squander it.  As such, he doesn't have that core of vulnerability, so his angsting, while far more public, doesn't build sympathy (with me, anyway) in the same way that Jack's slow opening-up does.  In terms of emotional range, he hasn't got much at all--he sort of goes all the way from grim stoicism to smoldering rage.

[android654]

Just thinking while reading some stuff...

Jack and Garrus are the two most popular characters on bioware's forums. Their character threads are the longest compared to all the other characters. If Jack's not in ME3 I think I might actually skip it.

Modifié par android654, 25 mars 2011 - 03:18 .

[Labrev]

You can ask Jack what she thinks of Jacob/Miranda. "Jacob doesn't know who he is, but that's not my problem." I personally love that line though. So true.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 25 mars 2011 - 04:43 .

[LordHelfort]

Dicey1 wrote...

android654 wrote...

...If Jack's not in ME3 I think I might actually skip it.

My thoughts exactly.

Ditto.

Though Ill probably rage out on the forums first.

On a totally different note, does anyone get the impending feeling that if Jack is in ME3, shell be retconned to be bisexual this time around?

Im looking at you DA2.

Modifié par LordHelfort, 25 mars 2011 - 11:55 .

[android654]

LordHelfort wrote...

Dicey1 wrote...

android654 wrote...

...If Jack's not in ME3 I think I might actually skip it.

My thoughts exactly.

Ditto.

Though Ill probably rage out on the forums first.

On a totally different note, does anyone get the impending feeling that if Jack is in ME3, shell be retconned to be bisexual this time around?

Im looking at you DA2.

Wouldn't mind since she mentiod it when pressed about her past. Also, tried it on my 1st femshep playthrough, and was suprised when she got shot down. So I'm for it if they do that, but the ME dev team has been shown to be chickensh*t in the past about the whole relationship thing in the game. I honestly don't know what scared them into pulling it in the 1st place.

Modifié par android654, 25 mars 2011 - 12:17 .

[android654]

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd rather there be a narrative explanation, even if only a brief one, for her reversal of her decision to reject femshep, in ME2, instead of, all of a sudden, Jack wanting to jump her bones.

Or, since Bioware is getting in to representing homosexuals and bisexuals, they could go even further, by writing Jack as a bisexual heteroromantic.  It's at least in keeping with a possible explanation for her rejection of femshep, in ME2.  Nuance is cool.

You know, I'd buy that. I actually know 2 people that are like that. Don't think I fully "get it," but if they did as good a job with it as they did with all of her dialogue and story in ME2, I suppose it'd suffice. Ideally I'd prefer she were bi, as modding that portion of ME2 was a pain and wasn't organic by any stretch of the imagination.

[LordHelfort]

android654 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd rather there be a narrative explanation, even if only a brief one, for her reversal of her decision to reject femshep, in ME2, instead of, all of a sudden, Jack wanting to jump her bones.

Or, since Bioware is getting in to representing homosexuals and bisexuals, they could go even further, by writing Jack as a bisexual heteroromantic.  It's at least in keeping with a possible explanation for her rejection of femshep, in ME2.  Nuance is cool.

You know, I'd buy that. I actually know 2 people that are like that. Don't think I fully "get it," but if they did as good a job with it as they did with all of her dialogue and story in ME2, I suppose it'd suffice. Ideally I'd prefer she were bi, as modding that portion of ME2 was a pain and wasn't organic by any stretch of the imagination.

Im curious about this line of interpretation, because as far as I know Jack only had one bisexual experience which could arguably be called exploratory, as I didnt see the implication of a prolonged three-way relationship. I got the impression she just caved in due to loneliness etc. rather than her actually being bisexual, since having done it once does not confirm (admittedly it also does not deny) her bisexuality.

Mostly Id just prefer not having her retconned at all, for fear of the Anders-Effect.

Bisexual heteromantic? To quote a famous poster, as a straight white male, I need an explanation.

Or a dictionary.

Modifié par LordHelfort, 25 mars 2011 - 02:21 .

[android654]

LordHelfort wrote...

android654 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd rather there be a narrative explanation, even if only a brief one, for her reversal of her decision to reject femshep, in ME2, instead of, all of a sudden, Jack wanting to jump her bones.

Or, since Bioware is getting in to representing homosexuals and bisexuals, they could go even further, by writing Jack as a bisexual heteroromantic.  It's at least in keeping with a possible explanation for her rejection of femshep, in ME2.  Nuance is cool.

You know, I'd buy that. I actually know 2 people that are like that. Don't think I fully "get it," but if they did as good a job with it as they did with all of her dialogue and story in ME2, I suppose it'd suffice. Ideally I'd prefer she were bi, as modding that portion of ME2 was a pain and wasn't organic by any stretch of the imagination.

Im curious about this line of interpretation, because as far as I know Jack only had one bisexual experience which could arguably be called exploratory, as I didnt see the implication of a prolonged three-way relationship. I got the impression she just caved in due to loneliness etc. rather than her actually being bisexual, since having done it once does not confirm (admittedly it also does not deny) her bisexuality.

Mostly Id just prefer not having her retconned at all, for fear of the Anders-Effect.

Bisexual heteromantic? To quote a famous poster, as a straight white male, I need an explanation.

Or a dictionary.

True, theres only two pieces of dialogue that hint at it. The bit about bieng with the coulple and then killing them before they betrayed her, and stating she's been with a lot of people but never a boyfriend or a girlfriend. So it's not entirely up in the air, its been hinted at, that she's at least bisexual heteromantic.

Bisexual heteromantic - She'll have sex with women for pleasure, butg is only amorous with men.

[android654]

yorkj86 wrote...
  An asexual is a person who lacks a sexual appetite, and who doesn't find anyone/anything sexually attractive.

Can't imagine the kind of hell that'd be. I suppose they're fine with it, being their naturla state of being, but imagine that just suddenly happening to you.

[LordHelfort]

Well asexual is probably just on the extreme end of the line dealing with the amount of sexual interest or activity a person is interested in. Thanks for the clarification, bisexual heteromantic makes sense and seems reasonable.

I mean, given the silly bullet system they instituted, its not out of the realm of possibility.

On another note to the poster who said Bioware is getting in to represent ******/Bisexuals, I think they always have, but that with DA2 they went somewhat overboard. I thought DA:O offered a pretty good range of options for everyone, but thats my 2 cents.

[royceclemens]

Well, it is possible to be bi and still have a preference. People get "sexual preference" and "sexual orientation" mixed up a lot.

As for Jack being bi in ME3? I wouldn't mind. It's not going to happen as there's a lot more money bound up in ME than there is in DA, and thus they wouldn't want to cheese anyone off, but I wouldn't mind.

And as for the "I Can't Have a Straight Romance With Anders Because He's Always Going To Be Bi" argument, it's indecipherable bordering on ludicrous. When you really think about it, you can take that line of thought to it's logical extreme and assume, that when they die in combat, they take the game out and never play it again, as opposed to reloading their last save.

[LordHelfort]

It isnt, but theres that one scene where she mentions the threesome and its given alot of people hope, I assume.

@ Royce Maybe some people would just prefer a straight romance? I think its equally as ridiculous to go after these people for having a preference especially given its quite literally a Fantasy game.

Frankly I think an on/off option that would make characters straight/bi/gay wouldn't be difficult given the way theyvee made the dialogue and would make everyone happy, since everyone gets to play the damn game in whatever fashion they wish.