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[Xilizhra]

I might be for it, but they really should have included it in ME2 for it to work terribly well.

[Xilizhra]

yorkj86 wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Bisexual heteromantic? To quote a famous poster, as a straight white male, I need an explanation.

Or a dictionary.

She would find both males and females sexually attractive, but only males romantically attractive.  There's a distinction between sexual attraction and romantic attraction, that these individuals can make, especially when one considers asexuals.  An asexual is a person who lacks a sexual appetite, and who doesn't find anyone/anything sexually attractive.

Interesting, but it would only work if her relationship with Femshep was also romantic and she was making an exception or something.

[royceclemens]

LordHelfort wrote...

It isnt, but theres that one scene where she mentions the threesome and its given alot of people hope, I assume.

@ Royce Maybe some people would just prefer a straight romance? I think its equally as ridiculous to go after these people for having a preference especially given its quite literally a Fantasy game.

Frankly I think an on/off option that would make characters straight/bi/gay wouldn't be difficult given the way theyvee made the dialogue and would make everyone happy, since everyone gets to play the damn game in whatever fashion they wish.

You know, you could easily fix this problem by using a straight male Shepard to romance her (It's what I'll be doing, after all, even if the bi option presents itself).  Wouldn't a toggle be redundant?  How does someone else's game affect yours? 

[Xilizhra]

Why bother having romance without the romance?

[LordHelfort]

royceclemens wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

It isnt, but theres that one scene where she mentions the threesome and its given alot of people hope, I assume.

@ Royce Maybe some people would just prefer a straight romance? I think its equally as ridiculous to go after these people for having a preference especially given its quite literally a Fantasy game.

Frankly I think an on/off option that would make characters straight/bi/gay wouldn't be difficult given the way theyvee made the dialogue and would make everyone happy, since everyone gets to play the damn game in whatever fashion they wish.

You know, you could easily fix this problem by using a straight male Shepard to romance her (It's what I'll be doing, after all, even if the bi option presents itself).  Wouldn't a toggle be redundant?  How does someone else's game affect yours? 

I'm simply saying that giving people the toggle option would end any issue. Some people find the 'everyone-bi' option stupid, and so poof, no longer an issue. Than theres "Im-White-Male-Gamer-Feeling-Ignored" spam poster who would get his wish and thus save others the trouble of reading the same post over and over again. Everyone's happy.

Its a few lines of code and it would humour enough people to make the five minutes worth it.

Ill agree with whoever posted earlier about character development that isnt romance exclusive. That first, sort of like first building the walls of a house before squabbling over how the roof should be tiled.

[Xilizhra]

I'm not sure; you were the one who suggested it.

[LordHelfort]

yorkj86 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why bother having romance without the romance?

Why not just have her be bisexual biromantic, instead of bisexual heteroromantic?  

Also, you know how I feel about people changing, just for Super Special Shepard.

I think we can separate sex from romance, as most people are capable of.

[LordHelfort]

yorkj86 wrote...

Don't lecture me on that, LH. I've been talking about nuance in the matter this whole time.

I was responding to Xil, not you.
And Ill apologize because I can see how you might have perceived it as being directed at you.

Modifié par LordHelfort, 25 mars 2011 - 09:38 .

[Labrev]

Jack kinda hinted at being bi a couple times. Ask her about relationships: "if you're talking about a boyfriend or girlfriend, no." Ask her about friends: "I went around with (some chick) and her boyfriend. Thought they'd help me. They helped me into their bed."

[zewuok]

Sadly, that's how stereotypes work. All blondes are stupid, all Asians have high IQ, all Russians are alcoholics etc. That's why I'm happy that BioWare didn't make Jack bi, 'cause she would be immediately seen as butch, whether we like it or not. The same would go with Miranda if the devs had decided to make her lesbian- she would fall into femme category.
If I want to romance Jack I will gladly make another MShep just for that purpose and I'll enjoy it. I'd rather have that than non-romanceable Jack.

[android654]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Nyoka wrote...
Why does everyone think that if any crew member turned bi, it should be Jack? It seems to me that people think a bi Jack is more likely or plausible than a bi Tali or Miranda.

Stereotyping, I think.  On the one side you have people that think that she should look more feminine (longer hair, wear different clothes, not so many tatts) because she is heterosexual, and that she looks too much like a sterotypical butch lesbian.  On the other side, you have people that think that she should be a lesbian, because she doesn't look feminine, and looks like the sterotypical butch lesbian.

Well, hang on a minute. I'm a guy, and I rather like the way she looks. Her hair, her body art, her clothes; the art direction on her was perfect. She's definitely preferable to Miranda or tali. The only reason I advocated it is because I play more often as Hale's shep as opposed to Meer's shep, and the only way to truly interact with her is to play as Meer's shep. She lightly hinted at it, and we know she's rather liberal with who she has sex with, so it seems rather plausible to her history and personality.

[Xilizhra]

zewuok wrote...

Sadly, that's how stereotypes work. All blondes are stupid, all Asians have high IQ, all Russians are alcoholics etc. That's why I'm happy that BioWare didn't make Jack bi, 'cause she would be immediately seen as butch, whether we like it or not. The same would go with Miranda if the devs had decided to make her lesbian- she would fall into femme category. If I want to romance Jack I will gladly make another MShep just for that purpose and I'll enjoy it. I'd rather have that than non-romanceable Jack.

Wait... they still fall into straight stereotypes rather easily. How does restricting their sexual orientation change that?

[LordHelfort]

Arguably all the characters are stock characters that we can say are stereotypes (or archetypes). As for stereotypes in life, its necessary since some form of organization or pigeon-holing is the only way (lesser of all evils) to organize ones life.

Totally off topic I am absolutely frightened by Xiliz signature.

[Xilizhra]

Totally off topic I am absolutely frightened by Xiliz signature.

Hah, which part?

[LordHelfort]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

android654 wrote...
Well, hang on a minute. I'm a guy, and I rather like the way she looks. Her hair, her body art, her clothes; the art direction on her was perfect. She's definitely preferable to Miranda or tali. The only reason I advocated it is because I play more often as Hale's shep as opposed to Meer's shep, and the only way to truly interact with her is to play as Meer's shep.

Truly interact?  You mean romance?

She lightly hinted at it, and we know she's rather liberal with who she has sex with, so it seems rather plausible to her history and personality.

That's subjective.  It's also plausible that Jack is a serial killer.

Isnt she? A serial killer I mean. Arguably Shepard is too.

Match made in heaven?

Xiliz theres only one part that, when said with an adequality crazed tone, would frighten a man.

Modifié par LordHelfort, 26 mars 2011 - 01:37 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, quite frankly, she is nom noms. And for some reason, I really want to nibble on her ears.

[android654]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

android654 wrote...
Well, hang on a minute. I'm a guy, and I rather like the way she looks. Her hair, her body art, her clothes; the art direction on her was perfect. She's definitely preferable to Miranda or tali. The only reason I advocated it is because I play more often as Hale's shep as opposed to Meer's shep, and the only way to truly interact with her is to play as Meer's shep.

Truly interact?  You mean romance?

She lightly hinted at it, and we know she's rather liberal with who she has sex with, so it seems rather plausible to her history and personality.

That's subjective.  It's also plausible that Jack is a serial killer.

Yeah, as Femshep she cuts you off from the last couple of conversations the really reveal her as a character. Of course there is no paramour scene, and no equivalent "bff scene" --I can't believe I just wrote that-- that could have arisen from taking an interest in the character. Basically if you're femshep, Jack tells you a small bit of her history, asks you to help her blow up teltin, says thanks and tells you to f*ck off. All the interest you place in Jack as femshep is tossed out the window the second you help her. So while playing as Femshep, whats the point in talking to Jack at all? Meanwhile Samara who isn't a li to anyone takes the conversation with femshep and maleshep to the same lengths and depths. No romance involved, except for the almost kiss scene, but there is a deep final conversation she shares with Shepard regardless of gender. WHy not offer something like that for femsheps who really stuck to Jack.

Funny thing is if you're a maleshep, Thane, Garrus, and Jacob have relatively the same length and depth of conversation. I know that seems ridiculous since Thane is the only one with real depth in that group.

Also, Jack's not a serial killer, she's simply a mass murderer. There's no pattern in her victim's other than they tried to kill her or pissed her off. Besides if there was any hint at her being a serial killer its coming entirely from someone elaborating on her personality. Now there is a hint at her sexual patterns in her dialogue. May be subjective when discerning her sexual attraction now, but it's cannon that she's been with at least a woman in the past.

On a side note, any guy who likes girls and doesn't like girls that look like Jack are bent.

Modifié par android654, 26 mars 2011 - 02:07 .