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[theradicalpunk]

I thought jack was pretty hot for a virtual chick with no barbie blond hair, bald, and average ta-tas.

[android654]

theradicalpunk wrote...

I thought jack was pretty hot for a virtual chick with no barbie blond hair, bald, and average ta-tas.

I can't wrap my head around how people find that attractive in the first place. Girls lioke that look like they're manufactured, almost like they smell of plastic.

[Batlass8]

@android: Imposing a dress code is totally counter to the anarchical spirit of the cult!!

@JohnnyDollar: As a female Jackolyte, I'm registering an objection with the cult hierarchy you've established. Expect the formal complaint to reach you at the same time as my signature Batlass knockout punch.... : )

[android654]

Batlass8 wrote...

@android: Imposing a dress code is totally counter to the anarchical spirit of the cult!!

Says the lass with the new robs business. SOunds a little oportunistic for rebelious types...

[SlottsMachine]

android654 wrote...

theradicalpunk wrote...

I thought jack was pretty hot for a virtual chick with no barbie blond hair, bald, and average ta-tas.

I can't wrap my head around how people find that attractive in the first place. Girls lioke that look like they're manufactured, almost like they smell of plastic.

Chuckes to self, picturing Miranda being assembled to this tune. It gets good at about the 30 second mark.

[android654]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

android654 wrote...

theradicalpunk wrote...

I thought jack was pretty hot for a virtual chick with no barbie blond hair, bald, and average ta-tas.

I can't wrap my head around how people find that attractive in the first place. Girls like that look like they're manufactured, almost like they smell of plastic.

Chuckes to self, picturing Miranda being assembled to this tune. It gets good at about the 30 second mark.

The song reminds me of a movie I saw as a kid but can't quite remember.

That's a perfect ME example! I'll never be able to fathom why some many people fawn over Miranda's character design, it's so unappealing. Same for the actress, she's obviously attractive, I just doubt I'd give her a second glance in public. Perhaps I'm fond of minor flaws, and I do find a sense of supposed perfection to be most unappealing.

[SlottsMachine]

I remember the song affectionately from Bugs Bunny, those two chipmunks didn't take **** from nobody, just like Jack. (keeping things on topic)

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 31 mars 2011 - 02:34 .

[Batlass8]

@android: It's not a business! I'd be willing to provide them free of charge. And it's not like I'm making anyone wear the robes. But when I'm engaging in cultlike activities, I like to wear something roomy that will swoosh around dramatically.

Jack!  (is awesome, and thus this post is on-topic).

Modifié par Batlass8, 31 mars 2011 - 04:36 .

[android654]

Batlass8 wrote...

@android: It's not a business! I'd be willing to provide them free of charge. And it's not like I'm making anyone wear the robes. But when I'm engaging in cultlike activities, I like to wear something roomy that will swoosh around dramatically.

Jack!  (is awesome, and thus this post is on-topic).

I was going to try and be mad at you, but i do like to swoosh myself. I imagine that's your real motivation for wearing that cape.

Oh, um Jack's badass and f*cking hot. That's on topic, or um a topic at least.

[zewuok]

android654 wrote...
This makes me wonder... What other heroines in any realm of fiction do you think come close to measuring up to Jack?

It depends on which side of Jack you're thinking about and it's more the other way around- Jack measures up to heroines. There's a lot of bad*ss women in fiction and Jack could be viewed as a mix of at least good dozen of them.
Starting with my favourite Ripley- fights and annihilates s**tloads of alien creatures, still having time to show her gentler side; bonus points for the haircut, the Company which just loves her and cryo (well, forced on Jack, but it still counts, doesn't it?).
Then you have Sarah Connor, again fighting bad machines to save mankind and protecting her loved one while being total kick*ss warrior woman.
Next, Alice from Resident Evil franchise has another evil company that turned her into some kind of killer psychic (with kukri knives) for whom mowing through hundreds of husks is a walk in the park. And while I'm here- combine Alice's pair of shotguns with Leeloo's bandage/rubber thingy clothing
Also you can see the revengeful side of Jack, which rings a bell if you saw Kill Bill movies. When she's done, the universe will be a lot emptier. Plus, a bit of Foxy Brown when it comes to drugs and (possible) rape.

And that's just a tip of the iceberg. For more, go to tvtropes.org, but only if you have an iron will. Consider yourself warned

[theradicalpunk]

It's only fair if Jack gave it up IRL to me. If she where real ofcourse, oh the prize.

[android654]

zewuok wrote...
Starting with my favourite Ripley- fights and annihilates s**tloads of alien creatures, still having time to show her gentler side; bonus points for the haircut, the Company which just loves her and cryo (well, forced on Jack, but it still counts, doesn't it?).

I can definitely see a resemblance to Ripley, I just don't see SuZe being very parental. Then again I suppose if she see's something of her childhood self in the kid, she might.

zewuok wrote...Then you have Sarah Connor, again fighting bad machines to save mankind and protecting her loved one while being total kick*ss warrior woman.

But Connor has a sense of duty. She's fighting the machines to save everyone, Jack's more about self preservation. Shepard would really have to rub off on her to change her main objective of staying alive to saving everyone.

zewuok wrote...Next, Alice from Resident Evil franchise has another evil company that turned her into some kind of killer psychic (with kukri knives) for whom mowing through hundreds of husks is a walk in the park. And while I'm here- combine Alice's pair of shotguns with Leeloo's bandage/rubber thingy clothing

I could never argue with a Jovovich reference. She's the perfect action star.

zewuok wrote...Also you can see the revengeful side of Jack, which rings a bell if you saw Kill Bill movies. When she's done, the universe will be a lot emptier.

I did think of Kiddo when I first started playing that game. If they ever did a spinoff for one of the characters, Jack going on a one woman revenge/vigilante killing spree would be perfect. Just think... Red Dead Batarians... I'd pre-order that.

[royceclemens]

And then there's Lisbeth Salander from the Stieg Larsson novels. Tattoos? Check. Traumatic past filled with abuse? Check. Gradual emotional thawing? Check. Roaring Rampage of Revenge? Check.

The huge differences between the two, though, is that firstly, Salander would be perfectly fine with everyone one Earth dying except her. Jack, on the other hand, needs people. She needs to live up to some kind of standard, as her life is littered with surrogate families that didn't work out. She just doesn't have the equipment to do so.

The other really huge difference is that Salander is the center of her own little universe. The government has been out to get her since she was a little kid. Jack? Jack is not the center of her own universe. In fact, as we found out on Teltin, she's not even the center of her own need for vengeance.

[android654]

royceclemens wrote...

And then there's Lisbeth Salander from the Stieg Larsson novels. Tattoos? Check. Traumatic past filled with abuse? Check. Gradual emotional thawing? Check. Roaring Rampage of Revenge? Check.

The huge differences between the two, though, is that firstly, Salander would be perfectly fine with everyone one Earth dying except her. Jack, on the other hand, needs people. She needs to live up to some kind of standard, as her life is littered with surrogate families that didn't work out. She just doesn't have the equipment to do so.

The other really huge difference is that Salander is the center of her own little universe. The government has been out to get her since she was a little kid. Jack? Jack is not the center of her own universe. In fact, as we found out on Teltin, she's not even the center of her own need for vengeance.

Loved the millenium series, and Salander.

One huge difference between the two, Salander has something of a family left, and is guilt ridden by it. Jack is completely isolated, and seems to be frustrated, looking for something but perhaps has no idea what it is or where to start looking.

[Batlass8]

royceclemens wrote...

And then there's Lisbeth Salander from the Stieg Larsson novels. Tattoos? Check. Traumatic past filled with abuse? Check. Gradual emotional thawing? Check. Roaring Rampage of Revenge? Check.

The huge differences between the two, though, is that firstly, Salander would be perfectly fine with everyone one Earth dying except her. Jack, on the other hand, needs people. She needs to live up to some kind of standard, as her life is littered with surrogate families that didn't work out. She just doesn't have the equipment to do so.

The other really huge difference is that Salander is the center of her own little universe. The government has been out to get her since she was a little kid. Jack? Jack is not the center of her own universe. In fact, as we found out on Teltin, she's not even the center of her own need for vengeance.

I really like this comparison/analysis.  I love both characters, but never thought to compare the two.  Although the differences between the two are staggering, so are the similarities.  It's especially interesting that you point out that Salander is the center of her own universe but Jack isn't.  I'm not sure if I fully agree on that point.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but Jack seems to operate according to a philosophy that everyone she encounters will eventually turn on her, even people she doesn't know at all.  Salander at least ignores the random pedestrians.

[android654]

@Batlass8

I think he/she means she isn't the reason for her actions, it stems from somewhere else.

[Batlass8]

@android: Ah. That makes sense. *blushes* Critical interpretation is not a strong suit of mine, it would appear.

[android654]

@Batlass8

It's ok, you're too busy dealing with bad guys and answering that damn signal light.

[royceclemens]

Actually, I'm referring to that Jack was under the impression for most of her life that she was an abused lab rat who stormed out of her cell one day, killed everything in her path and escaped.

What really happened, though, was that the other kids on Teltin had it worse, and her getting out was an accident in a riot that was already in progress. A lot of Jack hinges on the importance she places on her personality. She thinks she broke free based on the sheer power of her awesome whan the fact remains that it could have been anyone in her position that broke out of Teltin. She wasn't the worst problem on that day. It was all completely random.

And I think that's the inherent tragedy of the Jack character. Her bad luck began when her mom exposed her to eezo when she was still in the womb, and it was all downhill from there. If her mom went of a different doctor on a different day on Eden Prime, she wouldn't have been taken to Teltin and she could have been anyone. She could have been a farmer. A school teacher. A stock broker. Anyone. And that's why the revelations at Teltin got to her so badly (I think): She labored under the mindset that she triumphed because of who she was, and not what powers she had. That no one else could have done what she did. But once again, it was all just luck, and she didn't really matter at all.

She's not the center of her own universe.

[Batlass8]

royceclemens wrote...

Actually, I'm referring to that Jack was under the impression for most of her life that she was an abused lab rat who stormed out of her cell one day, killed everything in her path and escaped.

What really happened, though, was that the other kids on Teltin had it worse, and her getting out was an accident in a riot that was already in progress. A lot of Jack hinges on the importance she places on her personality. She thinks she broke free based on the sheer power of her awesome whan the fact remains that it could have been anyone in her position that broke out of Teltin. She wasn't the worst problem on that day. It was all completely random.

And I think that's the inherent tragedy of the Jack character. Her bad luck began when her mom exposed her to eezo when she was still in the womb, and it was all downhill from there. If her mom went of a different doctor on a different day on Eden Prime, she wouldn't have been taken to Teltin and she could have been anyone. She could have been a farmer. A school teacher. A stock broker. Anyone. And that's why the revelations at Teltin got to her so badly (I think): She labored under the mindset that she triumphed because of who she was, and not what powers she had. That no one else could have done what she did. But once again, it was all just luck, and she didn't really matter at all.

She's not the center of her own universe.

  Wow, that's even deeper than I imagined.  And really interesting.  I feel like replaying the Teltin mission just to see how my view of things changes with this new lens to analyze it through

[DurkBakala]

Quick question:

I've heard if you pursue the 'renegade' sex scene with Jack, that you will no longer be able to interact with her afterwards and her loyalty mission won't become available. Is this true?

[MHRazer]

DurkBakala wrote...

Quick question:

I've heard if you pursue the 'renegade' sex scene with Jack, that you will no longer be able to interact with her afterwards and her loyalty mission won't become available. Is this true?

I'm unsure about the loyalty mission, but I think you can still get it. Your relationship with her is effectively over though, she'll just tell you to F off for the rest of the game. 

Batlass8 wrote...

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]  Wow, that's even deeper than I imagined.  And really interesting.  I feel like replaying the Teltin mission just to see how my view of things changes with this new lens to analyze it through

Sometimes I read the amazing insights deep into Jack's character posted in here, and can't help but feel like we're (not me, I just read what you geniuses post) the first to think of this stuff. Like Jack's writer and the others at Bioware are reading all this and thinking, "Wow, that's probably true! I didn't even know that about Jack! I thought I was just making a tattooed bad-girl with a gooey center, but I'm so awesome it turns out I added all this layered complexity that I didn't even know about! I deserve a raise."

[theradicalpunk]

Jack strikes me as any victim does. Though one who shoulders it and expects the world to play criminal as well. She pushes her self-conceptions from her little bubble thinking her opinions are the only ones that matter. At first the galaxy does revolve around herself and will continue to revolve around herself until a Shepard bleeds his heart out for her.

I don't know if most bring into light she's a murderer but I don't dig chicks beyond the physical when they kill indiscriminately with justifications that only a killer can swallow.

While conceptually I dig her look and 'bad-girl,' attitude it does get bland after the revelation she's done nothing but hurt the world around her because she was in turn hurt. Everything is a black and white to her. On/off, f u, f me, stick it her, lick it.

I couldn't see a relationship lasting long in any likely scenario. Fortunately for Jack she has a writer in her back corner and is a LI. Though this character has problems even a psychiatrist would have to clear the rest of his life for. Unless of course you're Shepard. Then your a god amongst men, charismatic stud, navy seal, best lay of your life kinda guy.

All in all Jack is a badass character. Well written. Not your typical barbie chick. But not one you bring home to ma and pa hoss.