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[Epantiras]

Mesina2 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Sundown Native wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I just found out something you guys probably already knew.


Jack's from Eden Prime?!

Yep. As I recall, quite a few Jackolytes were a little upset about that. I believe the argument was that the colony was getting too much attention.

I wonder if it means that Jack's parents probably died when the geth attacked the colony in ME1.

Or better yet one of them survived and Jack meets one of the parents.

Would that be awesome or bad idea?

Ummmm I'm bipolar about this. Could potentially be a good thing or a cheesy moment. I guess it all depends on how she meets them: by chance or because someone was actively looking for the other? Her parents looking for her would be more likely in my opinion, Jack is not very fond of her past.

[SirRengeti]

But why would her parents look for her? They do believe she is dead. Only explanation would be, that her parents where on a vacation on Illium and saw that big mug shot (I hope this is the right term) of Jack.

[android654]

How do we even know "Jack" is the name given to her by her parents? Seems she's been at Teltin since she was a toddler.

[Batlass8]

SirRengeti wrote...

But why would her parents look for her? They do believe she is dead. Only explanation would be, that her parents where on a vacation on Illium and saw that big mug shot (I hope this is the right term) of Jack.

Would they recognize her though?  Unless Jack looks almost exactly like one of her parents, even the giant Wanted poster wouldn't be a hint.  I know most parents disagre, but I think all infants/young children look the same.  Unless her parents got a letter from TIM or the Shadow Broker or something, I don't think they've got any reason to look.

[android654]

@Batlass, but why though? Why would TIM or Liara help out Jack? Zero interaction between the three, so no reason for anyone to stick their neck out for her. If there was any interaction between Jack and her parents, it'd be more true to the character and her habit for misfortune if she: gets in a firefight, shoots them inadvertently and discovers only after the fact they're related.

[Batlass8]

@android: No, I agree! There's no reason for Liara or TIM to help out. But unless someone with access to very hard to find information reached out to Jack-mom and Jack-dad, I don't think we're going to get a family reunion. (At least not a planned one). Also, your inadvertent-shooting-leading-to-learning-of-relations scenario reminded me of The Sniper. Have you read it?

[zewuok]

Yeah, I agree with Batlass, most children don't resemble their parents until they're slightly older. Introducing Jack's family would be a bit awkward, since they don't have anything to talk about that wouldn't induce huge amounts of guilt/anger. Finding that after 20+ years your long lost baby girl is actually alive and had been experimented on by the same doctors who were supposed to help her...

ETA: I know the doctor was just searching for biotic kids for Cerberus and didn't actually experimented on them, but it started with him. Daaah, I sometimes have this shortcuts between different  thoughts or ideas IN MY MIND

Modifié par zewuok, 03 avril 2011 - 08:58 .

[Batlass8]

Thinking about it, a Jack-family reunion might be interesting if only to see if Jack reacts to the introductions with apathy or with rage/betrayal. I imagine she'd probably want to project the image that she doesn't care about her family: "Oh you found me. Big whoop. I don't know you. Please move, I am busy trying to help save the universe, so you can all keep existing like the bland little people you are." Still, I think she'd have a lot of irrational anger: "Why the frak didn't you know that people had taken me? You should've known!" Given that most of Jack's rage stems from a perfectly logical source, it would be interesting to see how she deals with purely emotional, irrational anger.

That said, I remain in the "No family reunions, please" camp.

[SirRengeti]

Batlass8 wrote...
That said, I remain in the "No family reunions, please" camp.

I agree. A family reunion would just disappoint.

[Mondo47]

I think the whole "family reunion" thing had more potential before we knew that Jack was essentially ezo-exposed and the hospital said she didn't make it though some form of seizure to cover her abduction. Jack's mother and father (if they didn't get geth'd on Eden Prime) will have no reason to look for a child they buried twenty years ago. She's in the ground/in heaven/in a better place/in an urn on the mantle/delete as applicable. Cold, but true. I doubt very much they would recognise her if they saw her somehow (sorry, that's just stretching the credibility of parental empathy beyond breaking point if you ask me). And the same goes for Jack - she'll not recognise them on sight... she'd have to use Liara's info to trace it back. And even if she didn't (because we know Jack's something of a netjunkie for finding things out) and she somehow could find out who she was and where she was from and where mom and dad are... she's never tried to go back before, has she? That speaks volumes.

Ok, we don't know she knows (or ever knew), but we do know Jack. She'd not chase it. She's not blind; they'd never believe this illustrated monster that rips mechs in half with casual abandon and has a narcotics habit that makes Charlie Sheen look like an armless droopy-eyed child (sorry, couldn't resist ) and has probably killed Christ knows how many people over the years is their kid come back from the grave. Nor would Jack want to inflict that on them... she'd think her parents were better off thinking she was dead and not knowing what was done to her or who she's had to become. She's not their little girl anymore - literally. Jack's a hard woman, but she's not cruel without reason, and if she read the Broker's report she'd know she would be laying waste to her family's life potentially. Sure, their kid is alive, but look what's been done to her... be impartial for a moment and imagine you lost a child and discovered twenty years later that your kid is really alive and some terrible combination of Carrie, Alan Moore's version of Edward faakin' Hyde and Tony Montana. You'd be elated for all of a week, and then the reality of who she is now would become heavier and heavier and heavier... it would take a pack of saints to embrace her again, and sorry, but real people aren't like that. Real people walk out on their kids, sell them into slavery, ignore their abuse, think a card at Christmas is "parenting," so on and so forth... and Jack knows this intimately. Even if it didn't destroy them, it might destroy her. It took thinking she was finally going to buy the farm to push that tender little bit of her heart out for Shep to embrace; there'd be no getout clause like that if she contacted her parents.

And on the other side of the coin (the more Edward Hyde side) - why the f*ck would she want to, other than to put a bullet in them all? They let those butchers take her away and put her in that lab for years. All that pain. All the suffering. All the scars. All the blood, the death. All the violation. They just accepted she was dead and let her go into a world of long dark shadows; a place where she was drugged, tortured, beaten, shot, stabbed, raped... we know Jack isn't always balanced in her reactions, and while we know she's a lot more together than we often expect, she's still prone to flying off the handle, harbouring grudges, and reacting irrationally. It's not completely unbelieveable that if she ever found out in the past, Jack's biological family died in a suspicious fire some years before the attack on Eden Prime. It's not beyond her - as much as we might not like to imagine it - unlikely maybe, but still possible. When we consider these things, we need to look at it in all lights - even the hard, bleak ones. Because that bleakness is in Jack no matter how much we want her to be a little cuddlebunny.

If it absolutely had to be done... I'd like it to be something like this: Jack watches a middle-aged woman in a park somewhere; she's talking to a young woman who has a toddler on her lap. She sees they're healthy, happy, and need nothing else. And in a way, she can be happy for them having that - more children, grandchildren even... life went on for them, so what was done to her didn't break them either... not that they know, anyway. And it's better they don't. Jack smiles, and walks away. Enough. Turn the page. That would fit Jack.

I'd prefer it wasn't done, but if it had to be... that'd do.

Modifié par Mondo47, 04 avril 2011 - 12:03 .

[android654]

What if Jack discovered she comes from truly despicable people. What if this encounter were to affirm her suspicions of people? People are solely: opportunistic, conniving, cold, backstabbing.

But it would be best if it was stripped altogether.

@batlass, reading it now.

[Gethforceone]

yorkj86 wrote...

She'd probably also ask why the hell her mother didn't demand to see her child's body, given the extremely suspicious circumstances.

I've always wondered about this.

I suppose you could say she was just so upset she didn't think to ask, but I just found it strange.

I think if Jack ever found her and had seen that video, that she would confront her about it.

Modifié par Gethforceone, 04 avril 2011 - 01:35 .

[Gethforceone]

Sundown Native wrote...

So...No one is interested in how Jack's family would react?

From all that I've read, all I've seen was "Jack would get angry/not care/not impose, etc." I'm more interested in seeing the angry part backfire on her.

Her parents have just as much a right to be angry as she does. I wouldn't be surprised.

Could go in to more detail about how it would backfire?

[Gethforceone]

Sundown Native wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

Sundown Native wrote...

So...No one is interested in how Jack's family would react?

From all that I've read, all I've seen was "Jack would get angry/not care/not impose, etc." I'm more interested in seeing the angry part backfire on her.

Her parents have just as much a right to be angry as she does. I wouldn't be surprised.

Could go in to more detail about how it would backfire?

Well, there's a great many ways it could go, but it'd all start with Jack lashing out, first. Whatever she'd say would probably get turned on her, especially if it's somewhere along the lines of "You didn't even come looking for me" or "You don't care about me". Parents are ready like that.


Jack would do best with meeting her parents, and keeping her words sweet. Postponing it would only make it worse, and if you yell at someone about something you don't truly understand, don't be surprised if you end up speechless, when the recipent fires back.

I don't think Jack is so dead set on the "user" philosophy that she'd percieve her parents to be the exact same thing. Doesn't she know what happened? Between her mother and the doctor, scientist, whatever? Or was that just info for the Shadow Broker?

It just was info the Shadow Broker had.

I can see where You're coming from but the more I think about it,
the more I can see this becoming sappy/cheesy/convoluted.

I think it would be better if family never enters the picture. 

[Epantiras]

SirRengeti wrote...

But why would her parents look for her? They do believe she is dead. Only explanation would be, that her parents where on a vacation on Illium and saw that big mug shot (I hope this is the right term) of Jack.

I was thinking about some lame plot device... for example, if I remember correctly in the books ex-Cerberus operative Grayson sends lots of Cerberus files to Kahlee Sanders. Intel about experiments on children could be in them (she works in the Grissom Academy after all). If Bioware really wants to add a family reunion scene, I'm sure they can summon whatever plot device they want and make it almost believable.

I wonder if the Shadow Broker dossers were just for fun or were actually laying a background for things to come in ME3.

[android654]

The whole thing would feel like a cheap ploy to tug at heart strings that aren't really there. I personally think family doesn't have the same sense of gravity a love interest would have in fiction. If anyone where to reappear into Jack's life, it should be her boyfriend, who instead of dying became a Batarrian prisoner.

But trying to pool from Jack's past would be difficult without making it seem "cheap."

Modifié par android654, 04 avril 2011 - 01:14 .

[Epantiras]

Sundown Native wrote...
EDIT: For a guy that tends to sit back and watch the conversation, I tend to start off new pages a lot.

And so our friend Sundown takes the first post on the page again

I agree that Jack meeting Murtock would probably be better than her mysterious parents. She does have a stronger connection with him (she can't even remember anything before Teltin) and both have a reason to be looking for eachother.

[Dragon Age 2 spoilers]
Makes me think of that mage who tells Fenris that his sister is still alive... he says he doesn't care, yet he spends the following years trying to find her. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bioware reusing that plot device again.

[Firewolf99]

Then again, amnesia is a lovel little plot device. Almost anything can be explaind by it. For all we know, Jack is the daughter of a Batarian and an elcor, but massive gene therapy turned her human. why can't she remember it? AMNESIA!

Plus, if Murtock's secretly alive, does it not cheapen the impact of his death on her life? I'm not saying thats true, I'm just putting it out there...

[android654]

Epantiras wrote...
[Dragon Age 2 spoilers]
Makes me think of that mage who tells Fenris that his sister is still alive... he says he doesn't care, yet he spends the following years trying to find her. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bioware reusing that plot device again.

Oh God no. Not every person feels kinship to their blood, even less so if they're complete strangers. If Jack comes across these people, I imagine her dismissing them and moving on. I can't imagine her becoming obsessed with something or someone new, her heart is already filled to the brim with names and events that take precedence with her over mom and dad.

Fenris only had one person in his way, after that he had nothing to obsess over. Also Fenris was so much of a complainer, he probably needed a sister to mop up his tears off of his spiky shoulders.

Firewolf99 wrote...
Plus, if Murtock's secretly alive, does it not cheapen the impact of his death on her life? I'm not saying thats true, I'm just putting it out there...

Not if he's spent the past few years having the sh*t beaten out of him by those bat nosed four-eyes inside of a prison. She has no idea he'd survive, and we'd only come across if it became part of Shepard's dealings with the Batarians.

With that being said, it's simply the better of two evils, any Jack reunions would feel half-assed.