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[NICKjnp]

I think all LI's are going to be returning squadmates....even Mr. The Priiize.

[Mondo47]

Epantiras wrote...

Aso, don't panic too much or mighty Mondo will punish us! With NO LUBE ;-)

Aren't you all lucky I've had no internet for two days...

No, but seriously, if it looks like our little gal is back, even in speculation, it's not too bad a thing - after all, surely there'd be more speculation tossed in the general direction of characters that throngs of people like, not just us cool people sitting in the corner with our berets and cigarettes and bongos? I would have expected a lot more TaliTaliTaliTaliTaliTali by now, not someone saying "Oh, and Jack's in it too. You know, the mouthy one that pisses and moans about everything? The bald one? Yes! Now you know who I mean!"

And while the prospect of a redesign is not really that welcome to me, as Yorkie says, if they keep the character the same, don't tone down the ink that is such a huge aspect of her appearance or cover it with some douche catsuit-for-the-boys, and don't give her some f*cking stupid black emogoth mop and eyeliner like someone broke her nose (a'la the seemingly most popular but completely dull-ass and generic one of the old character designs that have floated in or out of here over the months), I don't mind that much. Do you hear me talking, hillbilly design team?!?! Pliers and blowtorch are on standby here... because her appearance is reflective of her, and if you divest Jack of her standoffish, self-defensive projection, you'll have suceeded in making Jack into Alt-Ashley, or Less-Busty-Miranda... and surely that's not why she's there. She's there to be the different path, the undercurrent, the road less travelled. Someone that doesn't kiss Shepard's ass just because of their almighty Shepardness. Someone a little unpredictable and unstable. Someone with scars; both physical and metaphysical. Someone that deserves a break in life... and that doesn't mean turning her into another character. Change her a little, sure, but don't go back to the drawing board. What you made to start with was pretty damn good.

We'll be watching and waiting now. Watching and waiting...

And in other news, thanks to no internet and time on my hands, I made three more Shepards! Ohboy, I need a hobby...

Modifié par Mondo47, 22 avril 2011 - 02:43 .

[NICKjnp]

I like how she has become "more mature" in ME3....since apparently it is only three or four months between ME2 and ME3 *shakes head*. Bioware has some strange ideas on how people both age and mature. First Tali went from 17 in ME to 24 in ME2...which was a two year period. Now Jack has gotten more "mature" and "grown up" from ME2 to ME3...which is only a few months. Really Bioware? Give us back Drew...he knows how to write.

[MortalEngines]

LiquidGrape wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

People who are wondering if the PS3M is accurate in terms of the claims about Jack's appearance. I believe they are, as they quoted the Art Director Derek Watts as their source (and quoted what he said).

To clarify: they quoted him as a source, sure.
But they didn't mention the source cited.

This all smells of sensationalist speculation. I wouldn't trust the journalistic integrity of PSM one bit.

I'm unsure what you mean. They quoted him, as in his exact words and said that HE was the one who said it. Why would the have to mention the source cited, when it seems to me that they had a direct Q&A with several people from Bioware. The source cited is them.

Razorsedge820 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Don't get angry at me, but that magazine mistook the sniper guy for Sanders and said that Ashley is "sexually aggressive". I won't believe a word of what they say ;-)

I agree, the article looked like it came from someone's bottom, but the info about Jack being redesigned was quoted from art director Derek Watts, unless the person who wrote it is a blatant liar which wouldn't surprise me. As for Jack being confirmed, I would assume that is still up in the air since the article said she was with no proof.

Guys, it is the Official Playstation Magazine, they tend not to lie. And he didn't 'mistake' Sanders for the sniper guy, he actually never mentions that Sanders IS the sniper, he simply puts the picture of the sniper guy (I assume there was really anything else to put other than a question mark), he never actually says it. And I do question the brief bio of some of the characters, but this tends to happen alot in game journalism. 

There is a difference between speculation and outright quoting a source.

[zewuok]

It seems that I should stop reading this thread and other ones as well, because soon it will be filled with spoilers
Come on, do you really want to know in details how Jack will look like in ME3? The exact length and colour of her hair, the clothes she'll wear and so on? For me knowing that Jack will be in ME3 (and not just in form of an email) is enough. I'll be happy as long as the devs don't change Jack's character.

I generally avoid reading any articles about games I'm waiting for, because I want to be surprised. The same goes with game developement videos (or whatever they're called) etc. The only thing I really want to know is the system requirements, because I have to upgrade my Old Machine.
People often whine about too many spoilers but seriously it's not that hard to avoid them.
/off topic

[Gethforceone]

CannotCompute wrote...

Would it really be so bad if she grew some hair? After all, she's not a prisoner anymore. Also, the fact that she 'softened up' a bit makes sense, since she dealt with her past in ME2. It's just character growth.

This isn't  about hair. At least not for me, I got no problem with them changing her look, as long as Jack still looks like Jack where it counts.


My problem is with change in personality, if they change her in a way that makes sense and seems like natural 
character  progresstion then I'd be ecstatic.

BUT while it may be too early to tell, I got this bad feeling the whole reason for this  "mature, softer Jack" is:
"A lot of peaple don't like Jack, so we changed her to be more likable". 

[Epantiras]

Something to cheer you up :-) a small preview of a parody cominc I've been working on.

[Epantiras]

Nyoka wrote...

I hope this won't cause too much eyeball clawing

Whait... what? Well, at least it's not emo haircut

[Mondo47]

I won't claw eyeballs out, though I will say "Overly-conventional"...

[SlottsMachine]

Looking at that picture of Jack, it looks like she standing at attention for the national anthem or something. This is what popped in to my crazy brain.

Shep: "So Jack what have you been up too while I was in prison?"
Jack: "Well...I won gold in the biathlon at the Galactic Summer Games"
Shep: "Uh, what?"
Jack: "Yep"
Shep: "Hmmm, but biotics aren't allowed to participate"
Jack: "Yeah, and when they found out they banned me....the f*ckers"

[royceclemens]

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Modifié par royceclemens, 22 avril 2011 - 09:49 .

[Epantiras]

Seriously speaking, the one thing that really worries me is that Jack's writer has left Bioware. Yup. Someone else's going to write her. Or am I mistaken?

[Mondo47]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I know that I haven't browsed through and posted in this thread just because Jack has a crew cut, or tats, or a belt bra and boots.  That's just the surface.

Who's the real emo here?  Jack, or the Jack fan?

I see someone wants to provoke an argument...

Ok, since you're poking the anthill, fine. Jack's appearance (while not a vital aspect of her personality) is a reflection of the fractured construct that the character projects. Also, a lot of the puddle-shallow complaints about Jack were relating to her appearance; hair too short, too many tattoos, what the hell is that thing she wears, so on and so forth. This fact pretty much confirms that the character's visual design "works" - on the surface it pushes people away. While she may not be sure who she really is inside, no-one can say Jack does not wear her heart on her sleeve (or what she thinks is her heart at least). So Jack's appearance, for good or ill, is a construct based upon her character and personality. Covering the tattoos, for instance, removes an aspect of the character that is integral to the character. That is why I'd like the design to keep it's heart at least where it is now.

I restate, I am not adverse to the character's appearance changing, I am not keen on it though. Redesign in my mind equates with that foul-tasting word "re-imagining," which almost always is interchangable with dumbing-down, pointless artifice or over-simplification in the case of cinema and writing. I keep thinking about the thus-far released image of Ashley, which you can't argue has transformed her into a kind of Miranda-Lite. This may be a casual or alternative outfit, sure - I don't think any of us can prove this either way. It doesn't bode well though for a character like Jack (at least to me). It makes me wonder if Jack is going to trip out of the Normandy with shoulder-length hair and some form-fitting outfit which will make her look like everyone else on the damn ship. It's how I feel; a concern I have, no more or less, and if voicing that makes me some kind of fragile fangrrrl in your book, Johnny, then so be it <_<

Jack is from a design perspective a pretty damn original character. Her look makes her stand out from the crowd. I like that. I'm no fan of a future where every human bounces about in the same primary-colour-coded unitard. There are no Jack's outside of Mass Effect I can think of offhand, unlike generic space marines and codified aliens with Earthbound-animal features. The humanoid aliens on the ship stand out from their bodyshapes and costumes, but the humans are all largely the same. Jack isn't. It reiterates her outsider status. It makes her look like she escaped from a different game. It makes her visually interesting. Swallowing that up in some huge redesign just because? Sorry, I can't get behind that.  Tweak it, update it, by all means, but keep the character in there.

But hey, they might do us proud and do something very cool with Jack. I think being concerned about the possible direction of said changes, as futile as it is, is anyone's perogative to voice (if it gets repeated too often, ok, sure, that's irritating enough to invite derision mind you). I don't mind things changing in order to further character development or depict passage of time, but slapping a new pair of ****** on the Mona Lisa because it'll get the crowds into the Louvre lacks integrity. And that's all I'm bothered about - changes for change's sake or pandering.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, kids... that's all I can and will say. Everything else is in the lap of the dev team.

[Gethforceone]

Well said.

[axl99]

Did you guys see what they did with Garrus? He's all chromed up now.

[StefanBW]

axl99 wrote...

Did you guys see what they did with Garrus? He's all chromed up now.

I love it.

[royceclemens]

Mondo47 wrote...
Ok, since you're poking the anthill, fine. Jack's appearance (while not a vital aspect of her personality) is a reflection of the fractured construct that the character projects. Also, a lot of the puddle-shallow complaints about Jack were relating to her appearance; hair too short, too many tattoos, what the hell is that thing she wears, so on and so forth. This fact pretty much confirms that the character's visual design "works" - on the surface it pushes people away. While she may not be sure who she really is inside, no-one can say Jack does not wear her heart on her sleeve (or what she thinks is her heart at least). So Jack's appearance, for good or ill, is a construct based upon her character and personality. Covering the tattoos, for instance, removes an aspect of the character that is integral to the character. That is why I'd like the design to keep it's heart at least where it is now.

All these things are true.  But the reason I came to these forums was to talk about Jack.  And that was because that by the time the game ended, she seemed to be in the middle of something profound.

The tattoos and the bald head are paradoxical when it comes to Jack.  She doesn't want to talk about her past, but is more than willing to shove her "autobiography," as it were, right in your face.  It's a passive-aggressive cry for help.  An emotioanl venus fly trap.

But Jack's been helped.  She caught Shepard.  The thing that's been the boogeyman in her dreams for all her life is now rubble, because no matter whether you spare Aresh or not, Teltin still goes up in a ball of flame.  She can't obsess about it forever.

Yeah, the tats were integral to her character.  Were.  They're not any more.  I can respect the urge to keep Jack just the way she is, but I don't understand it and, to be honest, I don't like it all that much.  She's been through too much to keep fixating on a hole in the ground on a jungle planet.

[MHRazer]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Shallow.

I really disagree that acknowledging or having a preference for physical appearance (especially in a video game, it's not like we're talking about a real person here) automatically qualifies someone as shallow. It qualifies them as having eyes.

For me anyway, as I said, I'm tentatively happy as long as they don't cover up the tattoos, because the tattoos are an essential part of Jack, and don't pull an Alistair with her face. That poor guy looks like he aged 20 years between games.

And in early speculative stages of the game, its far easier (and more accurate) to speculate on the visual side of a character than it is the writing side. We're not going to experience much of the writing until we get to play the final game, but if we're shown an image of a character's design... that's most all you need to know outside of alternate costumes. Not that we've been shown one yet.

[jtav]

I don't know how welcome my opinion is, because the cheerleader is my favorite character, but I'm also concerned. Those who do like Jack like her because she is edgy, violent, and unconventional. A softer Jack wouldn't be Jack. If I want something more conventional, I have other characters that I can go to for that. It worries me that they might violate Jack's core character concept to make her more palatable to the masses. I don't trust the writers have enough integrity not to do that. And, if she can be altered, so can any of them.