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Hmmmm. That's very, very interesting. I think there was an old thread or an old post in this thread where someone wondered if Zaeed was part of the group that took Jack after she escaped from the Teltin facility, because on the Normandy Zaeed mentions he picked up an 8 year old girl a long time ago. Alright, we need to do some search'n for this conversation in game. From now on I'm guna bring Zaeed with me instead of Grunt, along with Jack of course.


Holy cow, I didn't even think of that!  Yeah, that conversation was earlier in the thread.  And it kinda lines up: Jack would be more likely to remember him, considering I doubt he's changed his personal style much, but I doubt Zaeed would connect the bald tattooed menace in front of him with a scared little girl from so long ago.

Zaeed said he rescued the girl from somebody else, however, so I doubt his crew were the ones that picked her up.  It would make sense, though, that she was captured by somebody on the way out of Teltin, and Zaeed ended up being the one who sprang her out.


That would be one interetsing little twist wouldnt' it?  Here's a question, did these come when you downloaded the Zaeed DLC?  If so perhaps they are prep lines for a future DLC mission.

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I know Zaeed is a tough badass mercenary but I can't picture him "using" an 8 year old girl. If anything he's the one that bought her from the first group, probably to get her away from those scumbags.



I remember someone's arguement against Zaeed having picked up Jack was that you'd think Jack would remember him since he has such a distinct appearance, but Jack never mentions anything. Well, apparently she does mention Zaeed looking familiar...



Either Zaeed gains a ton of points in my book for getting Jack away from those first scumbags, or he loses a ton for him or his crew using her. But if he did rescue Jack, why did he get rid of her? I think he says that he dropped the 8 year old girl off at Omega. I don't know how he expected an 8 year old girl survive at Omega. I need to hear what he says again.

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I'm pretty sure the convo is just that at face value.



Zaeed took a job and busted Jack while she was on the run. Whether his employers at the time came from Cerberus or from the authorities, I've no idea.



Love the twist at the end.

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Doesn't Zaeed talk about the little girl after doing Horizon? I remember him making a comment about how she would have never had a chance if she was on one of the colonies that got hit. I think he made this remark because he dropped her off at the nearest colony at the time.

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I've always been a jack fan, but on my first few Shepard playthroughs, I was romancing Tali and Garrus, respectively. This playthrough I decided to romance Jack. Just got the story of Murtock out of her, and damn, I was blown away. Poor girl. I liked it her before, but now she may have just vaulted above Tali for my favorite LI. I hope I can set her up a Home after ME3. Or, if all else fails we can be treasure hunters on the Normandy... >_>

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Jobrill wrote...

I've always been a jack fan, but on my first few Shepard playthroughs, I was romancing Tali and Garrus, respectively. This playthrough I decided to romance Jack. Just got the story of Murtock out of her, and damn, I was blown away. Poor girl. I liked it her before, but now she may have just vaulted above Tali for my favorite LI. I hope I can set her up a Home after ME3. Or, if all else fails we can be treasure hunters on the Normandy... >_>


Yep, that was the conversation that won me over too.  I had pretty much the same thing you did, played through other romances first (mine was Tali and Jacob, and really I only picked Jacob because he was the first one who made the offer ^_^) and then said, "Hey, let's give that Jack a try."  I was thinking it was just okay until that conversation, and after it was over, and I'd reloaded a save to hear it again, I immediately thought, "I'm never going to have the heart to romance anyone else ever again after this."  And thus does it begin.

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BobbyTheI wrote...

Hey, look at this! I made an audio edit that isn't dirty.

When I heard those lines, I knew I had to do this right away. :) 


That had me laughing for a bit, I love how Mark Meer does his renegade lines.  :lol:

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Ilzairspar wrote...


That would be one interetsing little twist wouldnt' it?  Here's a question, did these come when you downloaded the Zaeed DLC?  If so perhaps they are prep lines for a future DLC mission.


Crossing fingers for a future dlc... as there are some of Kasumi's sound files in vanilla Me2, there might be some other un-used sound files for upcoming dlcs... may it be related to the new alternate outfits? Maybe they're all tied to new "super loyalty" missions?

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That could be interesting...

It's also got me wondering just how loyal we can make everyone. I would love to see the loyalty status change to "Even Loyal-er" and eventually "Super-Duper Loyal."

Now for some reason that's got me thinking about Jack et al. posting on extranet boards about how awesome Shepard is, and violently flaming anyone who tries to say that Kaiden/Ashley is cooler.

Modifié par Noilly Prat, 16 mars 2010 - 10:06 .


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Ash is #1. :)

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I agree! She's my #1 scorchmark/bomb babysitter on Virmire.

Okay, I actually like her. I just like Jack more. .. Except with combat-zone dress sense, then I think Ashley kinda wins hands down.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 16 mars 2010 - 10:47 .


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Jobrill wrote...

I've always been a jack fan, but on my first few Shepard playthroughs, I was romancing Tali and Garrus, respectively. This playthrough I decided to romance Jack. Just got the story of Murtock out of her, and damn, I was blown away. Poor girl. I liked it her before, but now she may have just vaulted above Tali for my favorite LI. I hope I can set her up a Home after ME3. Or, if all else fails we can be treasure hunters on the Normandy... >_>


Ya, people just have to give her a chance and talk to her. They all judge her and says she's crazy or shallow, and yet they haven't even attempted to talk to her. That conversation about Murtock is the second best LI conversation imo, the first being the conversation you have with Jack when she comes to your cabin. Both are very emotional and show that Jack has a lot of depth to her.

On my first playthrough I had my intentions dead set on romancing Tali. But after doing her loyalty mission and seeing her fear and hesitation in the beginning, and her sad face at the end, I was like, "Hmmm I bet there's a lot more to Jack than meets the eye." So I start talking to her she already won me over with the conversation about how she doesn't let people get close to her, and then right at the end she asks if you're just talking to her for sex. After that I felt it was my duty to show this tough chick that there are genuinely nice people out there. Needless to say I forgot Tali was even on the ship Posted Image.

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Ash is #1. :)


Ah yes Ashley. The chick who very quickly loses all trust in you after everything you've been through and calls you a traitor. Ya she's great... Posted Image.

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Ah, Ashley. Your one stop shop for racism and out-of-context Tennyson quotes... Save, of course, for the student common at the University of Alabama.



But welcome, jobrill. Nice to know folks tune into a great character by actually, y'know, playing the game. It's what we've been sayin', and all...

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I wouldn't say Ashley's racist. I'd say she's ignorant. Especially when it comes to shutting up and actually let you try to explain yourself from the beginning. What part of "just woke up from a 2 year coma and finding myself at the mercy of a criminal organization" didn't she get?

Oh right, she didn't let you finish.

Jack is awesome and a bag of chips, though I still feel like there's other ways for her to express herself for someone who just wants to be left alone. I think she'd have been more tragic if in her mind she's already gotten over the things that happened to her - by actually joking about it like in her reveal trailer - and made fewer emotional outbursts to really show how deeply it all affected her. She'd be a tougher nut to crack after that.:unsure:

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Jackal904 wrote...



Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Ash is #1. :)


Ah yes Ashley. The chick who very quickly loses all trust in you after everything you've been through and calls you a traitor. Ya she's great... Posted Image.


Well, lets wait and see what Jack is up to in ME3.B)

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Errol Dnamyx wrote...

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Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Ash is #1. :)


Ah yes Ashley. The chick who very quickly loses all trust in you after everything you've been through and calls you a traitor. Ya she's great... Posted Image.


Well, lets wait and see what Jack is up to in ME3.B)


Now here we agree:lol:
None of us here can wait to see what Jack is up to in ME3^_^

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Errol Dnamyx wrote...

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Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Ash is #1. :)


Ah yes Ashley. The chick who very quickly loses all trust in you after everything you've been through and calls you a traitor. Ya she's great... Posted Image.


Well, lets wait and see what Jack is up to in ME3.B)



Come on now Errol Dnamyx, no need to come on the Jack thread and cause hate there both great caracters Posted Image And we want people to know that Ash fans respect other people's views, so long as they dont cause hate. And im sure Jack fans are the same.

Hi Jack fans

I like Jack alot but Ash just seems to go with my Shepard best, Ash and Shepard are the perfect match. But thats the great thing with the background options you can make Shepard Colonist/survivor where Shepard has also expierenced loss so he has more in common with Jack and she is his match. Or make him spacer/war hero so he has more in common with Ash and she is his match.

Ah yes, Ash calling Shepard a traitor and losing trust in him, i thought we dismissed that claim... I think the devs realy messed Ash up on Horizion, that was not in caracter at all i thought yeah she is loyal to the Alliance but she was willing to stick with Shepard in stealing the Normandy and breaking the rule of fraternization, she would  never turn her back on him.  Atleast they made up for it with that email Ash sends Shepard, and we hopefully have her return to ower squad in ME3, with the ME2 squad also Posted Image Now if you excuse me im off to read some of Badpie's fanfiction seeing as she got Ashley's caracter wrote down better than Bioware did in ME2.

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Funkcase wrote...


Ah yes, Ash calling Shepard a traitor and losing trust in him, i thought we dismissed that claim... I think the devs realy messed Ash up on Horizion, that was not in caracter at all i thought yeah she is loyal to the Alliance but she was willing to stick with Shepard in stealing the Normandy and breaking the rule of fraternization, she would  never turn her back on him.  Atleast they made up for it with that email Ash sends Shepard, and we hopefully have her return to ower squad in ME3, with the ME2 squad also Posted Image Now if you excuse me im off to read some of Badpie's fanfiction seeing as she got Ashley's caracter wrote down better than Bioware did in ME2.


I'll have to agree with you on that one. I was one of the people who restarted the Horizon mission because I was sure I'd said something horribly wrong to warrant the kind of response that I got. It was a tad bemusing to me that there was no way to resolve that amicably (or even neutrally) - and I didn't even romance her, so I can just imagine how people who did would have felt.

I just hope the writers learn from peoples' reaction to this, and don't try the same with Jack (and the other LIs too, I guess... but mostly Jack).

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You guys have probably talked about this before (I'm too lazy/don't have time to read whole thread) but I have to ask... who was paying to keep Jack in Purgatory? Cerberus? Alliance? Last government that she crossed? Random billionaire on the Citadel? Inquiring minds wish to hear speculation and/or facts. Posted Image

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Exile Isan wrote...

You guys have probably talked about this before (I'm too lazy/don't have time to read whole thread) but I have to ask... who was paying to keep Jack in Purgatory? Cerberus? Alliance? Last government that she crossed? Random billionaire on the Citadel? Inquiring minds wish to hear speculation and/or facts. Posted Image


I'm one of those people that thinks the Illusive man likes those long drawn out nets of power.  I'd say Ceberus was keeping her in Purgatory under the guise of whatever the last group who caught her was and the Illusive Man was keeping her there till she was of use to him again.

Jack mentions that Ceberus has been tracking her since she left Pragia, and for some reason I'm thinking she's not just paranoid on that front. 

Then again, I keep thinking that the Illusive man might have a connection to the reapers, but that is just because of his mechanical eyes....I keep thinking he's one big mechanical man pretending to be 'humanity's last hope".

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Funkcase wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...



Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Ash is #1. :)


Ah yes Ashley. The chick who very quickly loses all trust in you after everything you've been through and calls you a traitor. Ya she's great... Posted Image.


Well, lets wait and see what Jack is up to in ME3.B)



Come on now Errol Dnamyx, no need to come on the Jack thread and cause hate there both great caracters Posted Image And we want people to know that Ash fans respect other people's views, so long as they dont cause hate. And im sure Jack fans are the same.


Hey, i used smilies in all my posts, i´m a nice guy.:)

Anyway, current playthrough is Shep/Jack and I like it so far. Jack is very cool, but not #1 for me. A second place is still quite good.

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Funkcase wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...



Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Ash is #1. :)


Ah yes Ashley. The chick who very quickly loses all trust in you after everything you've been through and calls you a traitor. Ya she's great... Posted Image.


Well, lets wait and see what Jack is up to in ME3.B)



Come on now Errol Dnamyx, no need to come on the Jack thread and cause hate there both great caracters Posted Image And we want people to know that Ash fans respect other people's views, so long as they dont cause hate. And im sure Jack fans are the same.

Hi Jack fans

I like Jack alot but Ash just seems to go with my Shepard best, Ash and Shepard are the perfect match. But thats the great thing with the background options you can make Shepard Colonist/survivor where Shepard has also expierenced loss so he has more in common with Jack and she is his match. Or make him spacer/war hero so he has more in common with Ash and she is his match.

Ah yes, Ash calling Shepard a traitor and losing trust in him, i thought we dismissed that claim... I think the devs realy messed Ash up on Horizion, that was not in caracter at all i thought yeah she is loyal to the Alliance but she was willing to stick with Shepard in stealing the Normandy and breaking the rule of fraternization, she would  never turn her back on him.  Atleast they made up for it with that email Ash sends Shepard, and we hopefully have her return to ower squad in ME3, with the ME2 squad also Posted Image Now if you excuse me im off to read some of Badpie's fanfiction seeing as she got Ashley's caracter wrote down better than Bioware did in ME2.


Welcome to the Ash fans (who aren't obviously bored and thinking we'll actually rise to a chumline) :D

I'll freely admit that having romanced Ash with a few Sheps now, I was more than a little butthurt the first time I ran into her... ok, I've been gone a couple of years, BUT I WAS DEAD. Sorry, is that not a valid reason where Ash comes from? I don't think I really want to live someplace where dead significant others haul their squamous flesh from the seething earth to tell you they have to take a raincheck on your date due to a limb dropping off. Please, get some perspective. I know I've been gone two years, but it's like I just fell asleep and woke up a couple of days ago and some jumped-up eugenics experiment has told me two years have passed - I can appreciate you're hurt, but give me a ****ing chance to explain. It's like being angry at a coma patient for missing your aniversary due to, well, being in a coma! It's not like you've come home and found me in bed with your mom and two of your sisters... give me a break. Let me catch up too!

Yes, I dismiss that claim too, Funk... that was some pretty damn slipshod writing. Bad dog, Bioware.

I'd agree that Ash has to suit some people more than Jack, regardless of backgrounds... I mean, some people like a challenge in a relationship; the whole wrestling back-and-forth for emotional dominance. Some folk go for vulnerability, which Jack has in spades without being some swooning princess in a tower than needs saving from a dragon constantly. Jack's a princess that needs saving from her inner dragon if anything. I think Ash offers a more equal relationship from all standpoints, so it has a cosy, fun normality that's easy to embrace. Tali has the whole cute teenage crush vibe, which makes it sweet and nostalgic and also harmless. Miranda's not much beyond a sport-****, regardless of her demands you don't die, same with Jacob. Liara is a bit off-kilter and the whole relationship thing seems new and experimental to her, like each part is something she's ticking off in a book... I can let that go though, she's not used to humans, but it's still jarring. And as for Kaidan... nice guy to be friends with, but he's barely a one-nighter in my book... he's just... I dunno... wet. Flacid. I can't bring myself to romance Garrus because... he's my bro, dude. And Thane... just no thanks.

I think comparing the LIs is a bit futile most of the time, as regardless of how much we're 'roleplaying' the role of Shep, we're still going in with our own psychobaggage, and we lay it on the game to judge where we invest our time and emotion. You can be the sort of person that rolls a relationship with each different character to see what happens in each one, but I think some part of you, the player, is invested in the choice. No-one romances without at least thinking 'character x is kinda hot' or 'character y makes me laugh'. If you didn't, you'd just not bother and go whip the Collectors and move on to your next game, because those 'reward' love scenes are tamer than lunchtime soap operas. It's the emotional investment that either makes our Sheps stay loyal regardless of the frosty welcomes they get returning in ME2, or incites us to make them move on - be it out of spite or acceptance. The only place we can really compare the LIs in in the quality of their storylines and scripts meshing, as cold and clinical as that sounds.

And to me at least, Jack wins that battle hands down. Not everyone'll agree, but verbal billyclubs won't change minds, only that you have a stick and nothing better to do with it.

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Ilzairspar wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

You guys have probably talked about this before (I'm too lazy/don't have time to read whole thread) but I have to ask... who was paying to keep Jack in Purgatory? Cerberus? Alliance? Last government that she crossed? Random billionaire on the Citadel? Inquiring minds wish to hear speculation and/or facts. Posted Image


I'm one of those people that thinks the Illusive man likes those long drawn out nets of power.  I'd say Ceberus was keeping her in Purgatory under the guise of whatever the last group who caught her was and the Illusive Man was keeping her there till she was of use to him again.

Jack mentions that Ceberus has been tracking her since she left Pragia, and for some reason I'm thinking she's not just paranoid on that front. 

Then again, I keep thinking that the Illusive man might have a connection to the reapers, but that is just because of his mechanical eyes....I keep thinking he's one big mechanical man pretending to be 'humanity's last hope".


I agree. If Cerberus is behind the experiments on Pragia, I doubt they'd let their precious subject zero escape their grasp. Keeping her in Purgatory would have been a great solution - or maybe it was still part of the experiment.

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Quoth Mondo 47: "Yes, I dismiss that claim too, Funk... that was some pretty damn slipshod writing. Bad dog, Bioware."



I dunno, I kinda see where Ashley or Kaidan might be coming from. I had a cat named Sammy when I was a kid. Fun cat. Got hit by a car. Now if you told me that not only was Sammy still alive, but doing something morally reprehensible (like, say, being the head writer for Two and a Half Men), my first reaction would be "BAD SAMMY! NO CATNIP!"



But going back to the subject at hand, Epantiras raises a good point, as well as another one of theose trademark Jack questions. If Purgatory was still part of the experiment... Then who's to say the experiment's ended yet?

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Mondo47 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...



Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Ash is #1. :)


Ah yes Ashley. The chick who very quickly loses all trust in you after everything you've been through and calls you a traitor. Ya she's great... Posted Image.


Well, lets wait and see what Jack is up to in ME3.B)



Come on now Errol Dnamyx, no need to come on the Jack thread and cause hate there both great caracters Posted Image And we want people to know that Ash fans respect other people's views, so long as they dont cause hate. And im sure Jack fans are the same.

Hi Jack fans

I like Jack alot but Ash just seems to go with my Shepard best, Ash and Shepard are the perfect match. But thats the great thing with the background options you can make Shepard Colonist/survivor where Shepard has also expierenced loss so he has more in common with Jack and she is his match. Or make him spacer/war hero so he has more in common with Ash and she is his match.

Ah yes, Ash calling Shepard a traitor and losing trust in him, i thought we dismissed that claim... I think the devs realy messed Ash up on Horizion, that was not in caracter at all i thought yeah she is loyal to the Alliance but she was willing to stick with Shepard in stealing the Normandy and breaking the rule of fraternization, she would  never turn her back on him.  Atleast they made up for it with that email Ash sends Shepard, and we hopefully have her return to ower squad in ME3, with the ME2 squad also Posted Image Now if you excuse me im off to read some of Badpie's fanfiction seeing as she got Ashley's caracter wrote down better than Bioware did in ME2.


Welcome to the Ash fans (who aren't obviously bored and thinking we'll actually rise to a chumline) :D

I'll freely admit that having romanced Ash with a few Sheps now, I was more than a little butthurt the first time I ran into her... ok, I've been gone a couple of years, BUT I WAS DEAD. Sorry, is that not a valid reason where Ash comes from? I don't think I really want to live someplace where dead significant others haul their squamous flesh from the seething earth to tell you they have to take a raincheck on your date due to a limb dropping off. Please, get some perspective. I know I've been gone two years, but it's like I just fell asleep and woke up a couple of days ago and some jumped-up eugenics experiment has told me two years have passed - I can appreciate you're hurt, but give me a ****ing chance to explain. It's like being angry at a coma patient for missing your aniversary due to, well, being in a coma! It's not like you've come home and found me in bed with your mom and two of your sisters... give me a break. Let me catch up too!

Yes, I dismiss that claim too, Funk... that was some pretty damn slipshod writing. Bad dog, Bioware.

I'd agree that Ash has to suit some people more than Jack, regardless of backgrounds... I mean, some people like a challenge in a relationship; the whole wrestling back-and-forth for emotional dominance. Some folk go for vulnerability, which Jack has in spades without being some swooning princess in a tower than needs saving from a dragon constantly. Jack's a princess that needs saving from her inner dragon if anything. I think Ash offers a more equal relationship from all standpoints, so it has a cosy, fun normality that's easy to embrace. Tali has the whole cute teenage crush vibe, which makes it sweet and nostalgic and also harmless. Miranda's not much beyond a sport-****, regardless of her demands you don't die, same with Jacob. Liara is a bit off-kilter and the whole relationship thing seems new and experimental to her, like each part is something she's ticking off in a book... I can let that go though, she's not used to humans, but it's still jarring. And as for Kaidan... nice guy to be friends with, but he's barely a one-nighter in my book... he's just... I dunno... wet. Flacid. I can't bring myself to romance Garrus because... he's my bro, dude. And Thane... just no thanks.

I think comparing the LIs is a bit futile most of the time, as regardless of how much we're 'roleplaying' the role of Shep, we're still going in with our own psychobaggage, and we lay it on the game to judge where we invest our time and emotion. You can be the sort of person that rolls a relationship with each different character to see what happens in each one, but I think some part of you, the player, is invested in the choice. No-one romances without at least thinking 'character x is kinda hot' or 'character y makes me laugh'. If you didn't, you'd just not bother and go whip the Collectors and move on to your next game, because those 'reward' love scenes are tamer than lunchtime soap operas. It's the emotional investment that either makes our Sheps stay loyal regardless of the frosty welcomes they get returning in ME2, or incites us to make them move on - be it out of spite or acceptance. The only place we can really compare the LIs in in the quality of their storylines and scripts meshing, as cold and clinical as that sounds.

And to me at least, Jack wins that battle hands down. Not everyone'll agree, but verbal billyclubs won't change minds, only that you have a stick and nothing better to do with it.


I applaud your thesis and hereby present you with the honorary doctorate of video game romances and psychology.  

All silliness aside, I think you're absolutely correct especially about each person's personal baggage having a rather profound effect on who they choose to romance in the game and why. I, personally, have thought I'd try to do each of the romances at least once. However, as time goes by it seems more and more daunting, and I find that some of the LI's really hold no interest for me (such as Jacob or Thane). Is this because I'm a guy and usually prefer to not play a female Shepard? Maybe, but then again on the one female Shepard that I have created I am attempting the Garrus romance because I think Garrus is an awesome character and deserving of that kind of relationship. Also, like so many others here, I've basically gotten to the point in my male Shepard playthroughs where Jack is the only LI that I feel inclined to pursue anymore after seeing all of them.

To each their own, and hopefully you enjoy your choice(s).