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[Ninjapino]

android654 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

android654 wrote...

I just remembered something I wanted to say about an argument thats a few pages back... Don't know if I should write it now.

Why not?

Ok. It was in response to the "Jack is Jack even in a sundress." The truth is she isn't. Art direction for movies, photography, and video games is for the sole purpose of reinforcing a character. For example, a dark character in a dark situation would dress in a way that would relfect the character's persona in the situation they're in. Thereofre, Jack in a sundress wouldn't be Jack unless there was a reason for it in her personality. If she was a person, perhaps you can make the argument that she's being ironic, its laundry day, or she's wearing it just because. But in a game or movie, the design is chosen with a purpose. See a "sexy" version of Jack might be a goth look with a mini skirt or something, it fits with her personality (to a degree) but she doesn't wear anything like that since a ravaged prison suit and leather bra makes more sense for a fugitive on the run. 

So, changing a character's appearance whithout changing their personality wouldn't happen with a good art director.

Lol, sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one with experiance with people with issues/emotional problems.  Jack is an extreme case, but there are people in real life that have similiar attitudes as her.  I have some friends that are like this.  They're protective of themselves and they lash out and push people away more as a defense mechanism then anything, but in all honesty, Jack is still a scared little girl worried the world is going to hurt her so she'll hurt it first. She not only shows it in her personality, but also how she dresses.  She likes the style because it suits her, but she's also very aware that it's itimitading.

It is part of who she is, no matter where it initially came from, though, she she'll never really abandon it.  Even if somehow (not seeing how it's possible and don't want it to because it would be quite a stretch), but even if she became bouncy, bubbly, and happy-go-lucky, she'd probably still keep the tats, get more tats, and have a mohawk.  But, the doesn't mean that she doesn't want to sometimes feel like a woman and actually be "cute" sometimes.  (I don't mean as if she's not cute now, I'm talking the basic, girly "I want to put on a dress and feel good" kind of cute, btw.)  Problem is, there's only one person right now that she'd feel comfortable enough to do that in front of right now...and that's only if you chose wisely.  <3

[Razorsedge820]

yorkj86 wrote...

There are bubblegum punks, Jack could become one of those

Oh god please no, I can't picture Jack with a pink mohawk. I think a tank top, blue jeans and some short hair is all the change Jack needs appearance wise.

[android654]

Ninjapino wrote...

android654 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

android654 wrote...

I just remembered something I wanted to say about an argument thats a few pages back... Don't know if I should write it now.

Why not?

Ok. It was in response to the "Jack is Jack even in a sundress." The truth is she isn't. Art direction for movies, photography, and video games is for the sole purpose of reinforcing a character. For example, a dark character in a dark situation would dress in a way that would relfect the character's persona in the situation they're in. Thereofre, Jack in a sundress wouldn't be Jack unless there was a reason for it in her personality. If she was a person, perhaps you can make the argument that she's being ironic, its laundry day, or she's wearing it just because. But in a game or movie, the design is chosen with a purpose. See a "sexy" version of Jack might be a goth look with a mini skirt or something, it fits with her personality (to a degree) but she doesn't wear anything like that since a ravaged prison suit and leather bra makes more sense for a fugitive on the run. 

So, changing a character's appearance whithout changing their personality wouldn't happen with a good art director.

Lol, sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one with experiance with people with issues/emotional problems.  Jack is an extreme case, but there are people in real life that have similiar attitudes as her.  I have some friends that are like this.  They're protective of themselves and they lash out and push people away more as a defense mechanism then anything, but in all honesty, Jack is still a scared little girl worried the world is going to hurt her so she'll hurt it first. She not only shows it in her personality, but also how she dresses.  She likes the style because it suits her, but she's also very aware that it's itimitading.

It is part of who she is, no matter where it initially came from, though, she she'll never really abandon it.  Even if somehow (not seeing how it's possible and don't want it to because it would be quite a stretch), but even if she became bouncy, bubbly, and happy-go-lucky, she'd probably still keep the tats, get more tats, and have a mohawk.  But, the doesn't mean that she doesn't want to sometimes feel like a woman and actually be "cute" sometimes.  (I don't mean as if she's not cute now, I'm talking the basic, girly "I want to put on a dress and feel good" kind of cute, btw.)  Problem is, there's only one person right now that she'd feel comfortable enough to do that in front of right now...and that's only if you chose wisely.  <3

That's basically what I said. If we were to see a change like that in Jack, there'd have to be some indication of that in her character. She hasn't reached that point in ME2. Like I said, if she were a person, then there's a lot more dynamics to weed through to find reasons for why x. but so far Jack hasn't indicated any interest in being "feminine" in any sense of the word.

yorkj86 wrote...

There are bubblegum punks, Jack could become one of those

No. Suicidegirlification in Jack is a no go. Not that most of them aren't f*ckin gorgeous, but its not her.

[Ninjapino]

Bubblegum punks? I have not heard this term before. I'm assuming you mean people like Avril Lavine or something....the type that thought Sum 41 was hardcore and have never heard of Tim Armstrong. Those types would never be brave enough to really get a mohawk and actually keep it for an extended period of time and would never get more then a few tattoos at most. But a girl who can pull off a good mohawk...I am in love. <3 And what's wrong with pink? Sometimes a girl has got to change it up.  My best friend (female) has had a mohawk forever and it has been dyed every color under the rainbow before. Pink looks good sometimes. lol

Modifié par Ninjapino, 03 mai 2011 - 02:41 .

[android654]

text doesn't provide for sarcasm unfortunately, and applying "j/k" kills any comedic value that may have been applied. Damned if you do...

[Gethforceone]

Sundown Native wrote...

Pardon the small interruption, but I felt it necessary to tell the Jackolytes this, seeing as what I'm about to type relates to the woman we've all gathered her for.

I have found the will to write again. So for everyone who's been reading up til now, you guys should be able to expect another chapter to Son of Mindoir...Before tomorrow afternoon.

Sundown out.

[Goat_Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...
... and Jack storms onto the dancefloor, grabs Shep by the arm and yells "Ok. Sex. Now. We're leaving." And starts dragging him to the door. And if he so much as says a word, she yells again "Well, considering I've watched you embarass your ass in public for half an hour, what's ten more minutes of embarassment in private?"

Shep would never dance again...

Oh, Mondo, why do you have such dislike for Shepard's Heroic Virility?

Sundown Native wrote...
Pardon the small interruption, but I felt it necessary to tell the Jackolytes this, seeing as what I'm about to type relates to the woman we've all gathered her for.

I have found the will to write again. So for everyone who's been reading up til now, you guys should be able to expect another chapter to Son of Mindoir...Before tomorrow afternoon.

Sundown out.

I'm primarily Colonist so that sounds interesting.

Also reminds me, where's Jake at? He finish Intermezzo? I was several blogs into it before my PC forced me off the grid.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 03 mai 2011 - 12:26 .

[Goat_Shepard]

About Jack's development, I'm still skeptical at how much we'll see. From ME1 to ME2, everyone's attitude towards Shepard is positive, regardless of what you did or how you treated them in ME1. If and when we see development from Jack in ME2, it will also apply to renegades and to those who didn't romance her or maybe even skipped her loyalty mission. I'd like that to be untrue, but the way Bioware likes to hit the reset button, I have my doubts.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 03 mai 2011 - 12:32 .

[Errationatus]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

I'm primarily Colonist so that sounds interesting.

Also reminds me, where's Jake at? He finish Intermezzo? I was several blogs into it before my PC forced me off the grid.

Jake's here, looming in the wings.  As for Intermezzo, I got so little feedback on it I figured it was boring and no one was reading it, so I stopped.   I liked some of the ideas that the game had suggested - at least to me - and I had incorporated, that Jack was designed to be a weapon - a vanguard (pardon the pun) for what could have been an army of Jacks - not necessarily what TIM wanted, but then Teltin went rogue, no?  It seemed plausible. 

It also explained how she had plans to L5X implants in her head (mnemonic training anyone?), shuttles and weapons.  She does say she flew for a while, got picked up and used - always assumed to be sexually - and it's not impossible, but Jack would have been dangerous from Day One.  She did kill her way out of Teltin, after all.  I always find it a tad odd that everyone seemed to assume she was helpless from the get-go.  Utterly naive, yeah - that'll get you used and abused, but she's not even remotely stupid and wasn't then, and I think any abuse stopped relatively early.  Everything else was emotional, save for the ocassional lapse in judgement or overwhelming force (it wasn't one or two guys in Purgatory - it was half-a-dozen. For one little girl?  C'mon.).

Ah, well.  Her eternally sufffering seems to be more popular.  Personally, I like to give her more credit than that. *Shrug*

Oh, and as to villans and the "tough" always being depicted as tough and bad, that's generally true in the media - especially in movies since they tend to think their audiences are utter morons and need to be told everything.  Personally, the most complex villan I've ever seen on TV was Scorpius from Farscape - and yeah, he looked like you'd expect - until he put on a Hawaiian shirt and became even more menacing.  IMO, the best villans and tough guys/gals are the ones who aren't obvious.  The most brutal killers on the planet are dowdy old men in dresses and funny hats, or live next door with torture chambers in their basements, and from 9-5 evey day book-keep.  Hell, the BTK guy looked like a freaking accountant.  Ted Bundy looked like a leading man on General Hospital. 

Obvious villans are obvious because the writers think you're stupid and need to be led.  There was never any doubt that Darth was the bad guy, but Tarkin was more sinister.  And, to illustrate, Darth turns out to be some whiny little emo intelligence-insulting b!tch that needed a punch in the throat and the Grand Moff goes down as The Planet Destroyer. 

Darth can kiss my aging behind. 

[Andaius20]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And I counter your sad eyes with malicious intent!

Absorb your Melicious intent with a Jack hug!

[Goat_Shepard]

JakeMacDon wrote...
Ah, well.  Her eternally sufffering seems to be more popular.  Personally, I like to give her more credit than that. *Shrug*

There was quite a bit of anguish in Intermezzo from what I read. I should continue and see if I must demand a continuation (I'm assuming you let it drop). I've read a lot of FF and I can say your lack of feedback wasn't because of poor writing.
And I swear Scorpius was the only reason I watched that silly show

Andaius20 wrote...
Absorb your Melicious intent with a Jack hug!
hugsnip

Ahh yes, "touchy feely". How we have dismissed these claims.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 03 mai 2011 - 07:30 .

[Errationatus]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

There was quite a bit of anguish in Intermezzo from what I read.

Well, Jack wasn't unhappy, per se.  Not "boo-hoo, poor me" unhappy, at any rate.

I should continue and see if I must demand a continuation (I'm assuming you let it drop).

Ended on a bit of a cliffhanger, actually.  You can find it on FanFiction.net, as well.  I also have an ongoing Farscape "series" there, if you get really bored.

I've read a lot of FF and I can say your lack of feedback wasn't because of poor writing.

Thank you, GS - I appreciate that.

And I swear Scorpius was the only reason I watched that silly show

Two words:  Claudia. Black.

[Goat_Shepard]

JakeMacDon wrote...
Well, Jack wasn't unhappy, per se.  Not "boo-hoo, poor me" unhappy, at any rate.

Indeed.

Ended on a bit of a cliffhanger, actually.  You can find it on FanFiction.net, as well.  I also have an ongoing Farscape "series" there, if you get really bored.

I'm hittin up your blog from your profile on here.

And nobody likes a cliffhanger, especially when the conclusion is postponed indefinitely

Thank you, GS - I appreciate that.

*after rereading Part One* what I said was an understatement, you got writin skillz FOR REAL.

Two words:  Claudia. Black.

Two more: Terrible. Actress.

Although Pygram and Browder were the only good actors, in her defense and IMO.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 03 mai 2011 - 08:47 .

[Ninjapino]

Andaius20 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And I counter your sad eyes with malicious intent!

Absorb your Melicious intent with a Jack hug!

I seriously just let out an audible "awwww" when I saw that.....yes, I'm male....still, she's adorable and I'm allowed.  <3

[Goat_Shepard]

Sundown Native wrote...

I hear she's voicing Samantha Byrne, in Gears Of War 3. I'm looking forward to that.

Courtenay Taylor? Cuz if not, then IDGARA.

Ninjapino wrote...
I seriously just let out an audible "awwww" when I saw that.....yes, I'm male....still, she's adorable and I'm allowed.  <3

"Cmon, Boss Man, gimme a hug :P"

[Goat_Shepard]

[Andaius20]

Goat_Shepard wrote...



"Cmon, Boss Man, gimme a hug :P"

If you Insist Jack....

[Mondo47]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And I swear Scorpius was the only reason I watched that silly show

It must be said, Scorpy is an example of how you damn well should write a villain (granted, Wayne's performance had a lot to do with it too), but nothing beats a villain who looks like pure evil poured into a glass, who then walks up to you with a smile on his face and means it when he congratulates you, or one that suddenly becomes very sympathetic and almost likeable - and then he puts you through unspeakable torture with nary a nanosecond of doubt, or suggests wholesale murder as a means to an end, or could go out and commit genocide and still get a good night's sleep after it all. Keep that audience guessing right up to the last reel, suckers

In the end though, I always quite liked the fella - he was consistant at least and kept his whining emo-evil-side very well hidden... unlike other "iconic" villains I could mention *cough*DarthVader*cough* <_<

Ok, back on topic