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[StefanBW]

[Mondo47]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

[SPOILER]

Congrats, everyone. Jack can now be the stereotypical lesbian everyone expected her to be.

Maybe. We don't know who they're applying the same-sex romance paint to yet.

[axl99]

If it's as simple as turning flags on in the engine and the save game editor, maybe.

If Jack does end up being an LI for both sexes, I just hope they do it convincingly. Nothing's worse than just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks.

Speaking of modding...

I'm sure at some point Shepard does the I AM OMEGA pose as well in game. I remember it with the renegade response to Liara at the end of LoTSB on the Normandy. If we swap Jack in there and use the fly cam for the screenie, we can cheat it.

Or when we first see Garrus.

Modifié par axl99, 15 mai 2011 - 10:14 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Jack is the only one who I wouldn't mind them expanding into same sex romances but only because she mentions in the past she's had sexual relationships with women. At the same time, it would still slightly weird that she'd be into Shepard when she wasn't before.

From a simpler perspective though, isn't it kind of late to begin a new romance with one of the old companions? I feel like for any gender of Shepard, just starting a romantic relationship with any of his or her friends this late in the series would be kind of a ackward turn in the relationship he already had with them.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 15 mai 2011 - 10:14 .

[LiquidGrape]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

[SPOILER]

Congrats, everyone. Jack can now be the stereotypical lesbian everyone expected her to be.

I thought Jack had already established that she is anything but a stereotype. Her possible sexuality should be a non-issue.

Way to be reductive, dawg.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 15 mai 2011 - 10:17 .

[axl99]

I still wonder if they're gonna stick with Jack deciding that she just wants to be straight in ME3. There's absolutely nothing wrong with at all, if anything it's just a character asserting their free will.

LoTSB's audio files pretty much have Tali and Jack being femshep romances, though it's technically Jennifer Hale reading off the same script Mark Meer was reading [and vice versa].

[Mondo47]

And you can make Tali get all bashful as a Femme-Shep already (if you try to embarass her when she talks about linking suit environments)... and I guess it's easier to make aliens bisexual as the gender barrier is not the big one here - the species barrier is the difficult one to cross.

The thing is, people who are bisexual often have different desires and wants from partners of the same or opposite sex. Perhaps an actualised bi-Jack would want to spend time getting to know a woman since (I'm not being harsh here, I'm just putting it forward as a theory) men to her are more transparent, easier to figure out. She puts up walls for a Male-Shep, maybe the walls are higher and thicker for a Femme-Shep? Perhaps (again, just theory-time here) women in Jack's past have caused deeper emotional wounds than men, so the boundary to cross is greater? We know Jack approaches the physical side of relationships with ease, and there is a world of difference between just having sex and being in love... maybe she's never been in love with a woman before and she's approaching it with a great deal of unease and care? All possibilities, and they all work on paper at least without seeming silly or cheap.

In the end though, it'll come down to the dialogue and the performance - if that sells it, it'll gel easier with the existing experience of the pervious game.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Part of me would just be annoyed that one of my female Shepards only gets the chance now, after being denied in the second game, when she had already planned to move onto somebody else.

[Goat_Shepard]

LiquidGrape wrote...
I thought Jack had already established that she is anything but a stereotype. Her possible sexuality should be a non-issue.

Way to be reductive, dawg.

I was being rhetorical. At this point in the series, flipping the switch from "no" to "yes" seems like pandering.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
From a simpler perspective though, isn't it kind of late to begin a new romance with one of the old companions? I feel like for any gender of Shepard, just starting a romantic relationship with any of his or her friends this late in the series would be kind of a ackward turn in the relationship he already had with them.

That's why I thought ME3 would have a completely new squad, because it sounds like there will be way too many different intros and branching trees for every single character based on your previous decisions.

axl99 wrote...
I'm sure at some point Shepard does the I AM OMEGA pose as well in game. I remember it with the renegade response to Liara at the end of LoTSB on the Normandy. If we swap Jack in there and use the fly cam for the screenie, we can cheat it.

Or when we first see Garrus.

I thought the I AM OMEGA was different from those. Aria's seems to be expanding upwards instead of outwards. I'll look into it

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 15 mai 2011 - 10:41 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Part of me would just be annoyed that one of my female Shepards only gets the chance now, after being denied in the second game, when she had already planned to move onto somebody else.

The only way they can make it work is an EXTREME amount of dialogue references to the previous game and your conversations with the characters, not just skip step 3 and go to PROFIT.

@york

Indeed, you're correct. I like discussing hypotheticals, tho.

@Mondo

Whether or not you were trying to be harsh, it was.

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

I'm trying to determine if this is sexist.  In several ways, it seems so.

No, that is not my intention. I was trying to describe a certain potential perspective that might be taken. I did make pains there to say I was not expressing a personal opinion (those bits in brackets), but a potential perspective met by a character. If you write something about the opinions of a facist for instance, you're not writing about your own opinions unless you are the facist in question. I'm trying to just throw out ideas...

Never mind. Forget it.

[LiquidGrape]

Wait, what?

How was that harsh? Or sexist?

Mondo was theorising regarding Jack's possible perception of a male and female Shepard respectively.
I might be missing some grade A-level snark here, but if not, holy crap you people need to lighten up. Not to mention some reading comprehension lessons.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 15 mai 2011 - 11:00 .

[axl99]

York, how is that sexist if it's a theory?

[Xilizhra]

And why is it a problem if it's sexist? Jack is far from perfect.

[Collider]

I think there are better choices than Jack for F/F. Jack reacts too differently to female Shepard - more than any other female love interest really, and it's basically Jack putting female Shepard into the not so friendly friends zone.

[Xilizhra]

It wouldn't with me, given her... everything else.

[axl99]

Still, too early to tell for sure. We're still several months away regardless.

[Goat_Shepard]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Wait, what?

How was that harsh? Or sexist?

Mondo was theorising regarding Jack's possible perception of a male and female Shepard respectively.

The theory in question was harsh and sexist, and if it were true of Jack it would be difficult not to have your perception of her changed.

But like axl said, we are speculating waay too early and too much for such a vague Twitter post.

[Goat_Shepard]

Anyone can join me in another topic if they wish, I'm going back to what Mondo said about all this "cheating on your ME1 LI" hogwash a few pages back and I refused to believe a dev would actually put it that way.

[SPOILER]
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Casey: I think sometimes when we do certain things, it makes players realise what kinds of things are possible, and then they think about a different level of meaning in terms of why they’re doing things, in terms of how the characters relate. So even something like: if you had a Mass Effect 1 romance and you didn’t have a Mass Effect 2 romance, so you stay true to the character from the first game, there’s a scene where you look at the picture of that character, and that’s essentially the romance scene in Mass Effect 2.

Casey: I think when people realised that we were thinking about that kind of thing, and that we were going to reflect those kinds of decisions, then it’s like “Wow, the game actually knows that I didn’t cheat on my Mass Effect 1 love interest. So if it knows that, then it probably knows other stuff that it will reflect. Then that means I need to think about that stuff [when] talking to characters and making decisions and the like.”

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Wwwhhyyyy!!?! I don't get this at all. How am I cheating on Ashley when she said "FU goodbye" while Jack is being more loyal by standing at my side?

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 16 mai 2011 - 12:05 .